anyone here going to vote sinn féin?

Kev_ps3 · 23-02-2011 09:07PM

LordSutch wrote: »

The Irish electorate are dumb?

A shinner = a sinn fein activist or supporter? No? in the same way you might call me a West Brit?

Im not, I will be voting for them in this election but this is the first time and im no activist.

The Waltzing Consumer · 23-02-2011 09:08PM

Kev_ps3 wrote: »

Im not, I will be voting for them in this election but this is the first time and im no activist.

Is it not a bit silly calling the electorate dumb when Gerry Adams did not know our vat rate?

Where do you stand on killing Gardai?

Wolfe Tone · 23-02-2011 09:11PM

The Waltzing Consumer wrote: »

Is it not a bit silly calling the electorate dumb when Gerry Adams did not know our vat rate?

Where do you stand on killing Gardai?

Thats a loaded question and an unfair one to ask, he can only give one answer to that, any other and he would get banned.

celtictiger32 · 23-02-2011 09:31PM

PauloMN wrote: »

Thanks for clarifying the stupid comments bit.

Can I ask you how two SF policies - raising the minimum wage, and imposing a wealth tax on assets over €1m (which many small businesses would have as part of their operations) would help small businesses in the current climate?

imo raising the minimum wage will provide people with an incentive to go back to work, too many people are sitting at home claiming social welfare (which i also think should be reduced) because the minimum wage they get in some circumstances isnt much more than that.

i also think the tax on the 'rich and elite' as someone here called them is perfectly justified why shouldnt someone who has the wealth and means pay a higher rate than the average joe.

The Waltzing Consumer · 23-02-2011 09:32PM

Wolfe Tone wrote: »

Thats a loaded question and an unfair one to ask, he can only give one answer to that, any other and he would get banned.

That's fair enough. I will re-phrase. Where does the poster stand on GE candidates who refuse to condemn Garda killings? Does he think we should have TDs who don't think it is wrong to kill Gardai?

23-02-2011 09:37PM

The Waltzing Consumer wrote: »

That's fair enough. I will re-phrase. Where does the poster stand on GE candidates who refuse to condemn Garda killings? Does he think we should have TDs who don't think it is wrong to kill Gardai?

Change the record tbh.

wee truck big driver · 23-02-2011 09:38PM

PauloMN wrote: »

Hard to believe people still vote local given the state of the country as a whole. Local issues are for your local councillor. SF do tend to have active local people.

Unfortunately their strength in local issues is mirrored by a lack of strength nationally, like their economic policies. Fortunately for Ireland, they won't be in power because they could put us out of business with their policies if they were. Such a shame people are going to waste votes on SF though.

you have two options vote fine gael or vote for who you believe is the best for local issues. its already a foregone conclusion that fine gael are going to be the next goverment. this means if youput your local fine gael t.d in you will have no control over local issues as they will have their hands tied by party whip so if like most people you want your area to get priority then vote for another party. i personally cant vote for fine gael as i cant see any discernible difference between them and fianna fail

wee truck big driver · 23-02-2011 09:42PM

The Waltzing Consumer wrote: »

That's fair enough. I will re-phrase. Where does the poster stand on GE candidates who refuse to condemn Garda killings? Does he think we should have TDs who don't think it is wrong to kill Gardai?

where do you stand on people being killed by gardai. where do you stand on people mysteriously dying in custody and nobody ever standing trial for this

wee truck big driver · 23-02-2011 09:44PM

LordSutch wrote: »

The Irish electorate are dumb?

A shinner = a sinn fein activist or supporter? No? in the same way you might call me a West Brit?

west brit is not what i was thinking of.

The Waltzing Consumer · 23-02-2011 09:46PM

wee truck big driver wrote: »

where do you stand on people being killed by gardai. where do you stand on people mysteriously dying in custody and nobody ever standing trial for this

If a Garda kills a person, then hell yes that should be fully investigated and if the guard is in the wrong, he should be tried and punished.

I think it is a disgrace if someone dies "mysteriously" and no one is tried for this.

Your turn?

Adrian009 · 23-02-2011 09:48PM

Kev_ps3 wrote: »

2 reasons, massive anti-SF propaganda by the criminal establishment and the fact the the electorate are dumb.

Calling the electorate dumb and tarring the entire establishment as criminal is not going to gain SF any freinds or votes. Don't let this remark be interpreted as an offical SF statement.

Adrian009 · 23-02-2011 09:52PM

celtictiger32 wrote: »

spoken like a true ff/fg 'er. you dont really know much about SF do ye, i think you should educate yourself before you make stupid comments like that

How is it anytime anyone makes remarks against SF they are called dumb, uneducated, brain-washed, members of the rich elite political establishment, everything and anything but honest voters saying why they won't vote for them?

Because it frees SF from having to address the questions concerned.

lugha · 23-02-2011 09:53PM

wee truck big driver wrote: »

where do you stand on people being killed by gardai. where do you stand on people mysteriously dying in custody and nobody ever standing trial for this

You rather miss the point WC is making. If you don't fully support the protectors of the state (which does mean you cannot hold individual guards to account for wrong doing) then you cannot claim to be loyal to the state. And some of us think such folk are not fit to hold public office in this state.

The Waltzing Consumer · 23-02-2011 09:54PM

rarnes1 wrote: »

Change the record tbh.

No. I have no qualms about SF past. I would be interested in seeing them grow more, but I have a serious doubt about SF and their relationship with the Gardai. That is a legitimate concern and would be a huge barrier for me voting SF ever.

PauloMN · 23-02-2011 09:54PM

celtictiger32 wrote: »

imo raising the minimum wage will provide people with an incentive to go back to work, too many people are sitting at home claiming social welfare (which i also think should be reduced) because the minimum wage they get in some circumstances isnt much more than that.

i also think the tax on the 'rich and elite' as someone here called them is perfectly justified why shouldnt someone who has the wealth and means pay a higher rate than the average joe.

Raising the minimum wage will put huge pressure on small businesses that are fighting to survive.

Your belief that welfare should be reduced (which I agree with to some degree) is completely at odds with SF by the way, who not only want to raise it, but bring back the Christmas bonus for welfare receipients. :eek: In the middle of a deep recession.

The tax on the rich is just fluff talk from SF which will generate a tiny amount when compared with what they'll need to get to increase the minimum wage and welfare.

The wealth tax could further cripple small business. Many small businesses will have assets worth €1m - these they need to run a company. SF want to tax these assets.

wee truck big driver · 23-02-2011 09:57PM

The Waltzing Consumer wrote: »

If a Garda kills a person, then hell yes that should be fully investigated and if the guard is in the wrong, he should be tried and punished.

I think it is a disgrace if someone dies "mysteriously" and no one is tried for this.

Your turn?

since everybodys favourite garda was killed and his killer jailed. more than twenty people have died while in gardai custody. name them.......... tell us what action was taken. didnt think so but you cant forget jerry mc cabe what an insult to all the rest of the people who died during the war members of the police, gardai, ira volunteers, civilians, women and children none of these count just keep harping on about jerry mc cabe

The Waltzing Consumer · 23-02-2011 09:59PM

wee truck big driver wrote: »

since everybodys favourite garda was killed and his killer jailed. more than twenty people have died while in gardai custody. name them.......... tell us what action was taken. didnt think so but you cant forget jerry mc cabe what an insult to all the rest of the people who died during the war members of the police, gardai, ira volunteers, civilians, women and children none of these count just keep harping on about jerry mc cabe

Eh, I never mentioned Jerry McCabe. I said Gardai.

SF never harp on about anyone do they? Bobby Sands?

wee truck big driver · 23-02-2011 10:01PM

lugha wrote: »

You rather miss the point WC is making. If you don't fully support the protectors of the state (which does mean you cannot hold individual guards to account for wrong doing) then you cannot claim to be loyal to the state. And some of us think such folk are not fit to hold public office in this state.

funny how even years back when the war was still on going when people in some of the more working class housing estates went to the gardai about anti social behaviour they where redirected to their local sinn fein offices

The Waltzing Consumer · 23-02-2011 10:04PM

wee truck big driver wrote: »

funny how even years back when the war was still on going when people in some of the more working class housing estates went to the gardai about anti social behaviour they where redirected to their local sinn fein offices

Funny how you avoid each of the issues a poster addresses to you with some tangent rambling?

lugha · 23-02-2011 10:04PM

wee truck big driver wrote: »

funny how even years back when the war was still on going when people in some of the more working class housing estates went to the gardai about anti social behaviour they where redirected to their local sinn fein offices

And that relates to what I posted how?

celtictiger32 · 23-02-2011 10:05PM

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PauloMN wrote: »

Raising the minimum wage will put huge pressure on small businesses that are fighting to survive.

Your belief that welfare should be reduced (which I agree with to some degree) is completely at odds with SF by the way, who not only want to raise it, but bring back the Christmas bonus for welfare receipients. :eek: In the middle of a deep recession.

The tax on the rich is just fluff talk from SF which will generate a tiny amount when compared with what they'll need to get to increase the minimum wage and welfare.

how would it cripple small businesses? would they not be able to hire the immigrants that come in and work for peanuts?..... aww me heart bleeds

as far as the welfare point i did say it was of my opinion, just because you vote for a particular party doesnt mean you agree with every little detail of their policies, look at all the ff voters out there over the last number of years i'd bet they would tell you several things ff did they didnt agree with whether it right or wrong

wee truck big driver · 23-02-2011 10:06PM

The Waltzing Consumer wrote: »

Eh, I never mentioned Jerry McCabe. I said Gardai.

SF never harp on about anyone do they? Bobby Sands?

its fairly safe to say that of the 2000+ posts on here jerry mc cabe has been mentioned at least 100 times i think if you read all the posts you wont see bobby sands mentioned once. i would also be willing to make a bet with you that if you pick up most of tommorows newspapers you will find at least one reference to jerry mc cabe (hardly surprising given the ownership of the media) i will also give double the odds that there wont be a mention of bobby sands in any of them

The Waltzing Consumer · 23-02-2011 10:08PM

lugha wrote: »

And that relates to what I posted how?

I imagine wee truck big driver will tell you another yarn or tale from his "war" barstool. It will sound something like this:

"One trick is to tell stories that don't go anywhere. Like the time I caught the ferry to Shelbyville. I needed a new heel for m'shoe. So I decided to go to Morganville, which is what they called Shelbyville in those days. So I tied an onion to my belt. Which was the style at the time. Now, to take the ferry cost a nickel, and in those days, nickels had pictures of bumblebees on 'em. Gimme five bees for a quarter, you'd say. Now where was I... oh yeah. The important thing was that I had an onion tied to my belt, which was the style at the time. You couldn't get white onions, because of the war. The only thing you could get was those big yellow ones... "

Adrian009 · 23-02-2011 10:09PM

The Waltzing Consumer wrote: »

Funny how you avoid each of the issues a poster addresses to you with some tangent rambling?

That's because his Gardai are the IRA.

The Waltzing Consumer · 23-02-2011 10:10PM

wee truck big driver wrote: »

its fairly safe to say that of the 2000+ posts on here jerry mc cabe has been mentioned at least 100 times i think if you read all the posts you wont see bobby sands mentioned once. i would also be willing to make a bet with you that if you pick up most of tommorows newspapers you will find at least one reference to jerry mc cabe (hardly surprising given the ownership of the media) i will also give double the odds that there wont be a mention of bobby sands in any of them

Man you are good at tangents

You were talking with me about Gardai, and you brought up McCabe and complained about people bringing up McCabe. Then I got confused

wee truck big driver · 23-02-2011 10:11PM

lugha wrote: »

And that relates to what I posted how?

i think if gardai back then where willing to let sinn fein do their work for them and considering that sinn fein would be the most active on the ground in these estates that the gardai would now be working hand in hand on the ground with these people so cant see where you visualise the problem. dont forget it was afine gael t.d who drove out of the dail drunk and when was stopped by a member of the gardai told her he would get her sacked

eagle eye · 23-02-2011 10:12PM

Adrian009 wrote: »

That's because his Gardai were the IRA.

FYP.

wee truck big driver · 23-02-2011 10:18PM

The Waltzing Consumer wrote: »

Man you are good at tangents
You were talking with me about Gardai, and you brought up McCabe and complained about people bringing up McCabe. Then I got confused

story of your life i presume

PauloMN · 23-02-2011 10:18PM

celtictiger32 wrote: »

how would it cripple small businesses? would they not be able to hire the immigrants that come in and work for peanuts?..... aww me heart bleeds

as far as the welfare point i did say it was of my opinion, just because you vote for a particular party doesnt mean you agree with every little detail of their policies, look at all the ff voters out there over the last number of years i'd bet they would tell you several things ff did they didnt agree with whether it right or wrong

It would cripple small businesses because of increased costs, in a climate where more than likely they are selling less and having to reduce their prices. I don't understand your immigrant reference there, sorry.

Yes I agree that voting for a party doesn't mean you have to agree to all their policies, but I would have thought that element of SF policy would be a biggie for someone considering voting for them? It certainly is a biggie for me not to vote for them, among others.

wee truck big driver · 23-02-2011 10:19PM

Adrian009 wrote: »

That's because his Gardai are the IRA.

meaning what

anyone here going to vote sinn féin?

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