HSA regulations and communion host

Junco Partner · 22-02-2011 05:40PM

TheZohan wrote: »

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Dxpcu5Cdl8

i think that is the very video we watched

Ghost Buster · 22-02-2011 05:41PM

prinz wrote: »

Took all of two minutes

http://www.lalor.ie/products/new-products/AB900

The church does not produce the hosts, these are manufactured by independent companies who are subjected to the same restrictions as everyone else.

Feel free to contact..

http://www.lalor.ie/contact-us

If you want info on some more suppliers..

http://www.coeliac.ie/gf_living/taking_communion

Handwashing is a factor in distributing communion during services.

Thanks for that. Are these regulations adhered to. Do health inspectors make checks I wonder.

prinz · 22-02-2011 05:44PM

Ghost Buster wrote: »

Thanks for that. Are these regulations adhered to. Do health inspectors make checks I wonder.

Do you lose sleep over health inspector visits and regulatory adherence in other manufacturers? Perhaps you should wonder about those congregations that use actual bread? Where do they get their bread? What brand do they buy? McCambridges? :eek:

http://www.fsai.ie Ask them.

22-02-2011 05:47PM

prinz wrote: »

Do you lose sleep over health inspector visits and regulatory adherence in other manufacturers?

It's 16:46, so I think it's safe to say he is not losing sleep over this one either

Ghost Buster · 22-02-2011 05:49PM

prinz wrote: »

Do you lose sleep over health inspector visits and regulatory adherence in other manufacturers? Perhaps you should wonder about those congregations that use actual bread? Where do they get their bread? What brand do they buy? McCambridges? :eek:

http://www.fsai.ie Ask them.

Nope. Im not losing sleep over this either. Im curious and have a strong moral sense of fair play. Anytime you want to gear shift up to the accusation of church bashing go on ahead... you know you want to..:)

FatherLen · 22-02-2011 05:51PM

Ghost Buster wrote: »

Nope. Im not losing sleep over this either. Im curious and have a strong moral sense of fair play. Anytime you want to gear shift up to the accusation of church bashing go on ahead... you know you want to..:)

church bashing in ah?????

chin_grin · 22-02-2011 05:51PM

bluewolf wrote: »

It's 1646, so I think it's safe to say he is not losing sleep over this one either

Jays us Irish. So technologically advanced!

And look at all these spuds! Spuds spuds spuds. I've got shoes made of spuds. They're amazing! I think spuds would last us another hundred years at least. The amount we have here.......

prinz · 22-02-2011 05:53PM

Ghost Buster wrote: »

Nope. Im not losing sleep over this either. Im curious and have a strong moral sense of fair play. Anytime you want to gear shift up to the accusation of church bashing go on ahead... you know you want to..:)

And a quick search on google provided contact details with numerous people to go and ask. Have you not been on to them yet no? Not that curious?

ejmaztec · 22-02-2011 05:54PM

orourkeda wrote: »

I can't believe how bad that f*cking joke is.

I can't believe that I've seen it twice on here in less than 24 hours. That joke moves in mysterious ways,

Ghost Buster · 22-02-2011 05:56PM

FatherLen wrote: »

church bashing in ah?????

Let me demonstrate:
Poster ; "Ummmmmmm. No offense but does the catholic church have to obey the same laws as the rest of us"

Irish catholic: "Oh here we go bashing the Church and trampling all over my beliefs. Stupid Atheists think they are so smart.. This is a catholic country yadda yadda blah blah bile bile..

Poster: Im just aski...

Irish catholic: "Go back to russia ya Commie baby eater"

...... that sort of thing....

ejmaztec · 22-02-2011 05:59PM

FatherLen wrote: »

church bashing in ah?????

Most of them here specifically target bishops when it cums comes to bashing.

Ghost Buster · 22-02-2011 06:00PM

prinz wrote: »

And a quick search on google provided contact details with numerous people to go and ask. Have you not been on to them yet no? Not that curious?

Paranoid much?
I found the HSA regualtions but no mention of if their remit stretches into the protected realm of the Church. Seeing as they dont have to comply with other laws or pay their own compensation I dont hink google is of any help. im looking for personal experience and possible insider knowledge.
I know in my own time as an alter boy the hygene levels were..... low.....

BTW most questions on here and elsewhere can be answered via google but human input and opinion is helpful.
Why do you single this thread out as only fit for google?
The a rhetorical question... we all know why...

prinz · 22-02-2011 06:03PM

Ghost Buster wrote: »

Paranoid much?
I found the HSA regualtions but no mention of if their remit stretches into the protected realm of the Church......

There is no "protected realm" in this matter. Most communion wafers used in RC services in this country come from independent manufacturers and suppliers from home and abroad as has been shown.

Junco Partner · 22-02-2011 06:04PM

is this seriously happening again?

IvyTheTerrible · 22-02-2011 06:06PM

Removing out of date info

prinz · 22-02-2011 06:06PM

Ghost Buster wrote: »

The a rhetorical question... we all know why...

So was the OP... keep fishing, you may just get your conspiracy theory yet.

hardCopy · 22-02-2011 06:06PM

Come on people, get a grip.

They're feeding people 2000 year old human flesh, a dose of E-Coli should be the least of your worries.

TheZohanS · 22-02-2011 06:07PM

prinz wrote: »

Do you lose sleep over health inspector visits and regulatory adherence in other manufacturers? Perhaps you should wonder about those congregations that use actual bread? Where do they get their bread? What brand do they buy? McCambridges? :eek:

http://www.fsai.ie Ask them.

He should be more worried about bakeries. There's a certain bakery just outside Gorey in Co. Wexford that I had reason to visit and you should see the state of it, absolutely disgraceful. They have dust,rodent droppings and dirt on all the overhead pipes and it just falls into the dough and onto product after it comes out of the ovens. It's contract cleaned by the lowest bidder and the contract cleaner states that the cleaning of the overhead pipes and anything outside the normal floors etc is outside their remit.

Stomach-turning stuff.

prinz · 22-02-2011 06:09PM

IvyTheTerrible wrote: »

They refuse to make gluten free wafers for the coeliac Catholics. So coeliacs can't or shouldn't take communion.

Who refuses? This Germany company?

A German company Franz Hoch, is producing hosts using only Codex Alimentarius quality wheat starch and water (< 20 ppm). This is possible because unlike ordinary bread the hosts are extremely thin. These hosts have official Church approval. Importantly for Coeliacs, they have been approved by the scientific committee of the Italian Coeliac Society and also by the Coeliac Society of Ireland.These hosts are deemed gluten-free for the purposes of differentiating them by the Coeliac Society from ordinary hosts

WoollyRedHat · 22-02-2011 06:09PM

Do you chew or just swallow?

thetonynator · 22-02-2011 06:09PM

Stored in sealed plastic bags in an airtight container. The wine is kept in a bottle . .as you'd expect!

I don't really see how it is any more relevant than how you store food in your own house, it's not for sale anyway . . .

IvyTheTerrible · 22-02-2011 06:10PM

prinz wrote: »

Who refuses? This Germany company?

Well that is new, it wasn't like that a few years ago when a friend of mine couldn't get gluten free hosts.

My mistake!

Ghost Buster · 22-02-2011 06:10PM

prinz wrote: »

So was the OP... keep fishing, you may just get your conspiracy theory yet.

Get a grip. Im just asking if anyone has any first hand knowledge if the mass catering carried out by the Church comes under the same regulations as other forms of mass catering... thats all. I know in your world this is akin to heresy and perhaps i should be burned but thats a risk im prepared to take.:rolleyes:

thetonynator · 22-02-2011 06:11PM

IvyTheTerrible wrote: »

They refuse to make gluten free wafers for the coeliac Catholics. So coeliacs can't or shouldn't take communion.

No true actually, i've heard of gluten free ones, and the chalice is offered as an alternative in some parishes.

irishgeo · 22-02-2011 06:11PM

TheZohan wrote: »

He should be more worried about bakeries. There's a certain bakery just outside Gorey in Co. Wexford that I had reason to visit and you should see the state of it, absolutely disgraceful. They have dust,rodent droppings and dirt on all the overhead pipes and it just falls into the dough and onto product after it comes out of the ovens. It's contract cleaned by the lowest bidder and the contract cleaner states that the cleaning of the overhead pipes and anything outside the normal floors etc is outside their remit.

Stomach-turning stuff.

you should report them, people lives could be at stake.

IvyTheTerrible · 22-02-2011 06:11PM

thetonynator wrote: »

No true actually, i've heard of gluten free ones, and the chalice is offered as an alternative in some parishes.

My info was out of date. My mistake.

Ghost Buster · 22-02-2011 06:13PM

thetonynator wrote: »

Stored in sealed plastic bags in an airtight container. The wine is kept in a bottle . .as you'd expect!

I don't really see how it is any more relevant than how you store food in your own house, it's not for sale anyway . . .

Not in the Church i served in.
And thanks for the thumbs up to my home hospitality but i dont give food to a few hundred people on regular occasions and handle the food directly into their mouths and hands.

Ghost Buster · 22-02-2011 06:16PM

TheZohan wrote: »

He should be more worried about bakeries. There's a certain bakery just outside Gorey in Co. Wexford that I had reason to visit and you should see the state of it, absolutely disgraceful. They have dust,rodent droppings and dirt on all the overhead pipes and it just falls into the dough and onto product after it comes out of the ovens. It's contract cleaned by the lowest bidder and the contract cleaner states that the cleaning of the overhead pipes and anything outside the normal floors etc is outside their remit.

Stomach-turning stuff.

Jesus Christ thats out rageous. I hope the full measure of the law is brought to bear on them. Did you report it?

prinz · 22-02-2011 06:20PM

IvyTheTerrible wrote: »

Well that is new, it wasn't like that a few years ago when a friend of mine couldn't get gluten free hosts.
My mistake!

It used to be like that, but if your friend approaches her/his priest they should be able to source acceptable ones for him/her.

TheZohanS · 22-02-2011 06:24PM

irishgeo wrote: »

you should report them, people lives could be at stake.

Ghost Buster wrote: »

Jesus Christ thats out rageous. I hope the full measure of the law is brought to bear on them. Did you report it?

I did and I asked for a follow up call so I could give all the details. Heard nothing back, not as much as an email. The facility is still in the same condition today.

HSA regulations and communion host

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