Should NATO invade Libya?

darkman2 · 21-02-2011 11:06AM #1

Gadaffi's son effectively said this morning that the thug dictator will murder as many protestors as it takes to keep power. Over 200 people have already been killed.

I would imagine the West has a matter of days to decide what to do about this - a very serious situation.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-12520586

orourkeda · 21-02-2011 11:08AM

Send in KATO

Lumen · 21-02-2011 11:09AM

NATO != "The West".

chin_grin · 21-02-2011 11:09AM

orourkeda wrote: »

Send in KATO

Or Mr Tayto?

NothingMan · 21-02-2011 11:11AM

chin_grin wrote: »

Or Mr Tayto?

Or maybe Horatio?

Krusader · 21-02-2011 11:13AM

Sending in NATO would only end in more civilians being killed

chin_grin · 21-02-2011 11:14AM

NothingMan wrote: »

Or maybe Horatio?

What the dealio?
Maybe this gettin' silly. No?

Duggy747 · 21-02-2011 11:28AM

Send in Plato, he'll end up confusing everyone.

seamus · 21-02-2011 11:31AM

Wait and see. Warn Gadaffi that he must find a peaceful solution, but I wouldn't send in anyone just yet.

History tells us that pre-emptively getting involved rather than letting these things work themselves out usually ends up with the wrong guy being in charge and bearing a grudge against the west.

Outside forces need to be careful not to "tell" the population who's in charge. Wait until there's an inevitable outcome (there are reports that Gadaffi has fled for example), then step to restore peace and set up fair and free elections. If you wander in to enforce peace before the people have fought for it themselves, you risk the wrong people getting into power.

Imagine if NATO (if it had existed) got involved in the Irish Civil War and De Valera's forces had won? The years of fighting in Northern Ireland might look like a picnic compared to what might have come after. Or even if they're got involved on Collins's side and completely crushed the anti-Treaty side mercilessly? DeValera still had the support of 30% of the country at that stage, completely bulldozing those forces might have badly fractured the country.

The intricacies of national politics are often far too subtle for other countries to jam their oar in and interfere.

ejmaztec · 21-02-2011 11:42AM

darkman2 wrote: »

Gadaffi's son effectively said this morning that the thug dictator will murder as many protestors as it takes to keep power. Over 200 people have already been killed.

I would imagine the West has a matter of days to decide what to do about this - a very serious situation.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-12520586

Isn't he the psycho who pissed off the Swiss, before the Swiss pissed off his dad?

I can't see anyone going in there. The UK's got a good oil-deal going on with the Libyans, and the Americans seem to be Gaddafi's BFF at the moment. I think the UK's suspended arms trading with them, but that won't stop the Libyans getting whatever they want elsewhere.

There will be a bit of mumbling by the West, but that's about it.

arybvtcw0eolkf · 21-02-2011 11:46AM

Wait until we're all saying nearly €2- for a litre of diesel and we'll be looking for NATO to bomb the ME/North Africa back to the ice age.

Lumen · 21-02-2011 11:50AM

Jaiden Microscopic Soybean wrote: »

Wait until we're all saying nearly €2- for a litre of diesel and we'll be looking for NATO to bomb the ME/North Africa back to the ice age.

Yes, that will definitely make diesel cheaper.

arybvtcw0eolkf · 21-02-2011 11:56AM

Lumen wrote: »

Yes, that will definitely make diesel cheaper.

No, it wouldn't.

Lumen · 21-02-2011 11:58AM

Jaiden Microscopic Soybean wrote: »

No, it wouldn't.

"Are you being sarcastic, dude?"
"I don't even know any more."

flyton5 · 21-02-2011 12:00PM

Lumen wrote: »

Yes, that will definitely make diesel cheaper.

My sarcasm detector is off the charts...

arybvtcw0eolkf · 21-02-2011 12:02PM

Lumen wrote: »

"Are you being sarcastic, dude?"
"I don't even know any more."

I don't get you 'dude'.

Lumen · 21-02-2011 12:13PM

Jaiden Microscopic Soybean wrote: »

I don't get you 'dude'.

Simpsons reference.

What I meant was, my ironic reply incorrectly assumed your OP was unironic, but your subsequent reply made me realise that my your OP was intended to be ironic, which would make my my ironic response at best obselete or at worst unironic, or else your reply was intended to also be ironic, in which case I have absolutely no idea what's going on.

positron · 21-02-2011 12:21PM

The unrest in the middle east should be our way out of the economic mess. Here's the draft plan.

* Irish Government should declare emergency.
* Takeover Ryanair, AerLingus and all their air crafts and staff.
* Roundup men and women and beer onto planes, and arm them and drop them off near Libya.
* Promise Libyans that we are there to help, just to get Gaddaffi out.
* Wreck the place in the name of war. Blame it alll on Gaddaffi's people of course.
* Install Irish-friendly people into power.
* Strike cheap oil deal, and win all regeneration, rebuilding contracts.
* Profilt!!!

Oh sorry, that somehow sounds like what Americans do.

arybvtcw0eolkf · 21-02-2011 12:21PM

Lumen wrote: »

Simpsons reference.

What I meant was, my ironic reply incorrectly assumed your OP was unironic, but your subsequent reply made me realise that my your OP was intended to be ironic, which would make my my ironic response at best obselete or at worst unironic, or else your reply was intended to also be ironic, in which case I have absolutely no idea what's going on.

Your really confusing me now, can you make that a little less cryptic please.

Either you believe a war will make diesel cheaper or you don't.. explain.

NothingMan · 21-02-2011 12:23PM

Lumen wrote: »

What I meant was, my ironic reply incorrectly assumed your OP was unironic, but your subsequent reply made me realise that my your OP was intended to be ironic, which would make my my ironic response at best obselete or at worst unironic, or else your reply was intended to also be ironic, in which case I have absolutely no idea what's going on.

*head explodes*

mike65 · 21-02-2011 12:24PM

Sending in NATO won't be needed, Quadaffi Ducks son is a big mouth who'll either be hanging from a lampost within a week or will have fled to [insert obscure country here] with a suitcase of diamonds and cash.

Lumen · 21-02-2011 12:26PM

Jaiden Microscopic Soybean wrote: »

Either you believe a war will make diesel cheaper or you don't.. explain.

I absolutely do not think that wars in oil producing countries make oil-based products cheaper.

I also think that taking a decision about waging war on the basis of the effect on oil prices is immoral and stupid.

arybvtcw0eolkf · 21-02-2011 12:30PM

Lumen wrote: »

I absolutely do not think that wars in oil producing countries make oil-based products cheaper..

You shouldn't have said it would so. (I got you!!)

Sticky_Fingers · 21-02-2011 12:31PM

Lumen wrote: »

Simpsons reference.

What I meant was, my ironic reply incorrectly assumed your OP was unironic, but your subsequent reply made me realise that my your OP was intended to be ironic, which would make my my ironic response at best obselete or at worst unironic, or else your reply was intended to also be ironic, in which case I have absolutely no idea what's going on.

Wait, I'm confused. So the cops knew that internal affairs were setting them up?

biko · 21-02-2011 12:33PM

mike65 wrote: »

Sending in NATO won't be needed, Quadaffi Ducks son is a big mouth who'll either be hanging from a lampost within a week or will have fled to Saudi Arabia with a suitcase of diamonds and cash.

FYP, all the dictators are gathering in the biggest nest. Hopefully one day that nest will be toppled too.

ejmaztec · 21-02-2011 12:43PM

Jaiden Microscopic Soybean wrote: »

You shouldn't have said it would so. (I got you!!)

I think that Nato will probably be sent to Lumen before Libya at this rate.:pac:

mike65 · 21-02-2011 12:48PM

Indeed Saudi will take in any types - if Idi Amin could find a home there the Qaddafi's can (Amin also hid out in Libya after he fled Uganda)

Lumen · 21-02-2011 12:57PM

biko wrote: »

FYP, all the dictators are gathering in the biggest nest. Hopefully one day that nest will be toppled too.

A country populated entirely by dictators would be cool. They'd need some sort of system to ensure each citizen was represented in the decision making process. They could call it "people power", or something.

RaleSlimShady · 21-02-2011 01:01PM

Yes, knock the ****e out of them.

bonzodog2 · 21-02-2011 01:24PM

Lumen wrote: »

Simpsons reference.

What I meant was, my ironic reply incorrectly assumed your OP was unironic, but your subsequent reply made me realise that my your OP was intended to be ironic, which would make my my ironic response at best obselete or at worst unironic, or else your reply was intended to also be ironic, in which case I have absolutely no idea what's going on.

Some kind or funky reverse-irony thing goin' on there. Tis complicated !

jackiebaron · 21-02-2011 01:41PM

darkman2 wrote: »

Gadaffi's son effectively said this morning that the thug dictator will murder as many protestors as it takes to keep power. Over 200 people have already been killed.

I would imagine the West has a matter of days to decide what to do about this - a very serious situation.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-12520586

Why would the west invade Libya? They support Gaddafi.

Should NATO invade Libya?

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