Do you believe that the communion bread is the actual body of christ?

hask1965 · 19-02-2011 04:55PM

that was the priest ///////////////////////////////// you had not the bread:eek:

starlit · 19-02-2011 05:02PM

I only half believe it is true! Still quiet mixed about it.:o

Dudess · 19-02-2011 05:04PM

squeakyduck wrote: »

No before my communion I always thought it would taste like a big white chocolate button.....boy was I wrong!

I thought it would be like a Silvermint. So disappointed...

It's not bigoted btw to view the notion that this baked wafery stuff is the actual body of Christ as utter nonsense. But if a person wishes to hold that nonsensical view, it is their right. I also have a right though to laugh at the silliness of catholicism.

19-02-2011 05:08PM

Is it gluten free? A church going celiac might find it tough to swallow.

Risteard · 19-02-2011 05:13PM

Deleted User wrote: »

Is it gluten free? A church going celiac might find it tough to swallow.

They make gluten free ones now. There was always one set aside for me when I'd receive communion.

I remember when I made my communion I almost got sick because it tasted horrible.

Then one time when I was serving mass it was a new priest to the parish so he forgot to bring out the gluten free one so he gave me some of the wine. The two other alter servers just looked at me with their mouths open and I was like '**** yeah, I drank the wine' bearing in mind I was only about 10.

Anyway no, I don't believe it is the body of christ, I've stopped going to mass for a good few years now and don't believe in any of it.

kowloon · 19-02-2011 11:17PM

squeakyduck wrote: »

No before my communion I always thought it would taste like a big white chocolate button.....boy was I wrong!

Now that I think about it, I used to feel it was very unfair that everyone got tiny wafers when the priest had held up the giant one, why didn't we get any of those? He got a drink in the deal too. :mad:

hask1965 · 19-02-2011 11:42PM

where does it come from and why is the priests bigger good p;oint dont do mass myself dont want to lisen to priest talk crap but thats me not saying it bad to go to mass only find it boring depresing better thyings to do :eek:

Dionysus · 19-02-2011 11:42PM

landsleaving wrote: »

Many atheists have less intelligence and appear to revere science as some sort of deity.

How awfully true. With their false sense of certainty they are the mirror image of the religious people they think they can look down on.

But then again I'm weary of ideologues in all forms.

KurtRussel · 20-02-2011 03:11PM

Dionysus wrote: »

How awfully true. With their false sense of certainty they are the mirror image of the religious people they think they can look down on.

But then again I'm weary of ideologues in all forms.

Well isn't it better to revere reality than a magic man in the clouds that doesn't actually exist?

I don't revere science as a deity but if I did, it would make be infinitely more sense than worshiping a magic sky zombie.

LETHAL LADY · 20-02-2011 03:15PM

No but I think someone sticking communion bread in mouth after mouth has to be one of the easiest ways of spreading sickness.

Rabble Rabble · 20-02-2011 03:16PM

KurtRussel wrote: »

Well isn't it better to revere reality than a magic man in the clouds that doesn't actually exist?

I don't revere science as a deity but if I did, it would make be infinitely more sense than worshiping a magic sky zombie.

Oh, look a guy with a zombie reference. Actually Catholicism believes that the substance changes, not the bread itself, based on Greek theories of substance.

Far from being irrational, that was about as rational as the "Divine Presence" could have gotten in the 12th century.

But, I never really expect the modern atheist to be anything other than a half wit.

( Also, to be clear, not a believer - but if come to sneer at least have some tiny level of education).

KurtRussel · 20-02-2011 03:58PM

Rabble Rabble wrote: »

Oh, look a guy with a zombie reference. Actually Catholicism believes that the substance changes, not the bread itself, based on Greek theories of substance.

Based on random theories of bull**** more like.

Rabble Rabble wrote: »

But, I never really expect the modern atheist to be anything other than a half wit.

( Also, to be clear, not a believer - but if come to sneer at least have some tiny level of education).

An atheist who hates atheists. That's a new one.

Ghost Buster · 21-02-2011 09:10PM

Doc wrote: »

So in order to be Roman Catholic you have to believe every single teaching of the Roman Catholic Church and can not disagree with any. Is this what you are saying?

So how do you explain how different Popes have made changes in the church then?

True it is a fundamental distinction between Protestant and Roman Catholic teaching but that dose not mean you cease to be Roman Catholic if you do not believe it.

Only it does though. It is central to Roman Catholicism.
What else can you jettison whilst remaining catholic?

Ghost Buster · 21-02-2011 09:15PM

deise go deo wrote: »

I refuse to accept that people can be that blindly bigoted, therefore I invoke Poe's law: http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Poe's_Law

Its bigoted to think that its a bit nuts to believe that when a man says magic words over a wafer it turn into the flesh of a legendary Jewish preacher only no body can see it cos its magic.
IM A BIGOT!!!

starlit · 21-02-2011 09:19PM

I think the best person to answer your question is Jesus himself unfortunately he ain't alive so he can't answer. If he were alive he probably would. Does red holy wine change into the blood of Christ? Difficult to say...:rolleyes::eek:

:P

Ghost Buster · 21-02-2011 09:20PM

Micky Dolenz wrote: »

Some Atheist's are so boring.

We should make a deal, I won't go on about my beliefs if you promise not to go on about your lack of beliefs.

Dont worry. The state paid for schools go on about it on your behalf.... chill..

Ghost Buster · 21-02-2011 09:32PM

Deleted User wrote: »

AnnyLupal you're grand, it's a common misconception that "rights" have sway on boards. If the owners of boards.ie decided that all we could discuss all over was a certain brand of fluffy bunny cuddly toys, then that's all we could discuss, and we'd have no recourse because basically it's their servers, their site, their code.

Canis Lupus, youre evangelising atheism. hat I *cannot* abide. not because it's atheism, but because it's promoting one faith (or lack of) over another in a place where all faiths & none come to chill out. I would say the exact same to any Catholic evangelist coming in here with "Come find the love that Jesus Christ has for you, remember he died on the cross for your sins...." etc etc etc. This is a place for all faiths, keep your evangelism OUT!

Ummmm Explain "promoting one faith or lack of". How does that work.
Is it like promoting ones feelings on animal rights or right to stab puppies
or
Promoting ones belief that the world is round....or flat...who cares....
Stop talking crap

dilbert2 · 21-02-2011 09:32PM

Where else but a catholic church could you theoretically be deemed a cannibal for eating a tasteless wafer.

Am I alone in laughing at the whole concept of mass. Sit, kneel / stand / kneel / stand / priest thanks Mary and Bridget for revenue raised in cakesale during community announcement / priest talks about snakes, evil women, lunatic old testament god killing people left right and centre, Noah saves all the planets animals, Super Jesus kung fu-s pagans at temple, Super Jesus converts water into wine, Super Jesus.............

Sit, kneel / sit / stand / kneel / sit / stand / get tasteless wafer / kneel down to say your hail mary's after getting communion / stand / kneel / you can all go now.

I'm really confused here, why would a being who created a universe (if there were that is) expect such rituals - what exactly would it show him?

Oh and I almost forgot, there's my favourite comedy magazine"Alive!" at the door. :cool:

dilbert2 · 21-02-2011 09:36PM

snuggles285 wrote: »

Jesus himself unfortunately he ain't alive

Or maybe, he never lived in the first place?

Ghost Buster · 21-02-2011 09:38PM

Deleted User wrote: »

I'm an a-la-carte catholic.

You don't wanna call me a catholic. I call myself a catholic.

Whatcha gonna do about it?

Think you are stuck in a moment that you cant get out of! (Bono... Christian)

Ghost Buster · 21-02-2011 09:43PM

Deleted User wrote: »

I call myself Catholic. A person's religion is one of *the* most personal decisions he/she can make, and I've made mine. Anyone who says "YOU CAN'T DO THAT!!!"" can go faceplant themselves/hang.

whatcha gonna do about it?

You can call your self a turnip if you like and theres nothing anyone can do about it.......

but youre still not a turnip...shhhhhhhhh

dilbert2 · 21-02-2011 09:56PM

Rabble Rabble wrote: »

But, I never really expect the modern atheist to be anything other than a half wit.

Believing that the

The universe and all the galaxies, stars and planets in it are billions of years old.
Accepting that life has been an evolving process for possibly at least 4 billion years with the development of the first cells. Accepting that the first human types may have started to walk the planet 3 million years ago, and that modern humans possibly came about 100,000 - as opposed to 6,000 years ago in 7 days, which many Christians seem to believe.
Looking at the brutality in the natural world and the universe and making the logical assumption that it is a random, unguided process. In fact this was one of Darwin's later problems with religion, as he saw the horrific pain and suffering animals the world over were suffering.
Not believing that women, gay people etc are second class because some dippy old desert hermits believed that they had received the word of god, only to encode it into the bible, thus institutionalising all manner of discrimination, violence, rape and god knows what else ever since.
Come on now, god the lord master of the universe can't even save his own supposed son from a Roman Emperor's final decision.
Not believing that some woman was banged by a bunch of flying humanoid birds (angels, is that what there called again) in order to give birth to some cosmic Jewish zombie. Or believing she drops into Knock every year for a cup of tea, or to show herself to the old grannies awaiting with rosaries.
And god knows what else

Yeah atheists are illogical and dumb half wits aren't they?

Ghost Buster · 21-02-2011 10:00PM

ro09 wrote: »

I know a lot of people feel angry about what some priests did but it doesn't mean you have to bash the innocent people who go to mass and believe in something.

ARRRRGH!!!!!! THEY ARE NOT BASHING THE PERSON. THEY ARE SIMPLY SAYING THAT THE STUPID THING THEY BELIEVE IN IS....STUPID.
Phewww.
If i said that i have a magical duck behind my door but when you open the door the duck slips into a parallel dimension so you can never see it, well you might say the duck thing is stupid, not me but the duck thing.
You have to respect me but you dont have to respect respect my duckyism.

starlit · 21-02-2011 10:01PM

dilbert2 wrote: »

Or maybe, he never lived in the first place?

That is quiet possible and he could be just made up or he existed but the church is covering up who he truely was!

21-02-2011 10:02PM

Ghost Buster wrote: »

ARRRRGH!!!!!! THEY ARE NOT BASHING THE PERSON. THEY ARE SIMPLY SAYING THAT THE STUPID THING THEY BELIEVE IN IS....STUPID.
Phewww.
If i said that i have a magical duck behind my door but when you open the door the duck slips into a parallel dimension so you can never see it, well you might say the duck thing is stupid, not me but the duck thing.
Do you have to respect me for my duckyism?

*shrugs shoulders* Yep.

If that belief comforts you in your hour of need, then why not?

The world is a big place, there's room for duckyism.

If you try and kill me for not believing you, I'll shoot you though.

dilbert2 · 21-02-2011 10:06PM

Deleted User wrote: »

If you try and kill me for not believing you, I'll shoot you though.

Charlton Heston?

Ghost Buster · 21-02-2011 10:14PM

Deleted User wrote: »

*shrugs shoulders* Yep.

If that belief comforts you in your hour of need, then why not?

The world is a big place, there's room for duckyism.

If you try and kill me for not believing you, I'll shoot you though.

If I needed my magic duck in my hour of need shoot me quick!!

Indeed there is room for Duckyism but if you had no option but to send your kid to a school that teaches Duckyism, were considered lesser for your sexuality by the Duckists, were locked up illegally in a laundry by Duckists, had Duckyism riddled through your countrys constitution, had to pretend you believe in The Duck to get a teaching job or had a Duckist touch you with his cold wet webbed feet after serving mass and then the duck got moved to a new pond in a new parish I think you might be reaching for the cleaver and the plum sauce mate!!!!

21-02-2011 10:16PM

Nah, may attitude to religion is "whatever brings you peace in your head, you make your mind up, I make mine."

If you try and kill my religion and force yours on me though, then I kill you. Bloodily. Simples.

Edit: Jeez buster, you have a biiiig chip on that shoulder of yours. But worst is that you don't differenciate between the beleif itself and the institution.

dilbert2 · 21-02-2011 10:23PM

Deleted User wrote: »

then I kill you.

Thou shalt not kill then? :rolleyes:

Doesn't this kind of mentality indicate somehow that we are still hairless monkies that have barely evolved, despite our concepts of the law/ civilisation and technological and scientific advancements. It really is a great pity.

21-02-2011 10:28PM

dilbert2 wrote: »

Doesn't this kind of mentality indicate somehow that we are still hairless monkies that have barely evolved, despite our concepts of the law/ civilisation and technological and scientific advancements.

Yup. You don't believe Darwin? I do.

dilbert2 wrote: »

It really is a great pity.

Jesus wept.

Do you believe that the communion bread is the actual body of christ?

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