Do you believe that the communion bread is the actual body of christ?

PeterIanStaker · 17-02-2011 01:20PM

Ah blasphemy - a vicrimless crime!

17-02-2011 01:21PM

MagicMarker wrote: »

No, we shouldn't.

These guys agree with you

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=87CEciLBRqM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TZiDPOyorp4

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bFkRTFxyNKs

Liamario · 17-02-2011 01:26PM

"The body of christ............"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-dJolYw8tnk

Marcus.Aurelius · 17-02-2011 01:29PM

Deleted User wrote: »

"Rabble Rabble"

FYP.

Poe?

17-02-2011 01:30PM

Barrington wrote: »

I respect other peoples rights to choose and follow any religion they want.

So long as they respect my right to make fun of it.

Many a word of humour has had an intent of malice behind it.

Marcus.Aurelius wrote: »

FYP.

Poe?

You lost me man. I was making a point that religious intolerance starts with humour, and goes through all kinds of stages all the way to riots and concentration camps. So intolerance must be held with scorn.

I'm with you on the law front.

Craebear · 17-02-2011 01:34PM

I love the whole persecution complex of the religious. I have as much right and a whole lot more reason to make fun of your religion, just as I can make fun of your taste in music and your football team.
Until there is proper seperation of church and state, no more blasphemy law, no more catholic run education system, no more use of religion to deny gay people equality and so on, I will attack religion.

And if I offend you by being a "smug atheist" then, turn the other cheek and forgive me, like that Jesus fella said.

Myrddin · 17-02-2011 01:40PM

I hold respect for every individuals beliefs, whether it's Christianity, Islam, Buddhism right down to ancient Egyptian beliefs (there's not too many sacrifices in the name of Ra these days though). So bear in mind, when I ask these questions, it's not a mock nor a joke.

But how on earth, could anyone believe the Holy Communion bread is the actual body of a man who lived two thousand years ago?

1 - He must have been one huge man, given the amount of these things that have been eaten over the years.

2 - Surely any organic matter that old would be, let's say, not the most sweetest smelling thing you could eat?

3 - Are all Christians now cannabals in the technical sense.

4 - Where are they getting the bread if it's the actual body of Christ?

Again to re-ittirate, I'm not winding things up here, just looking for a rational reason people believe the bread is actual the body of Christ. Personally I believe it's symbolic, & like any religious symbolism, I don't question that at all. The question of the bread being parts of the body of Christ though, that defies explanation.

minidazzler · 17-02-2011 01:41PM

Wibbs wrote: »

Yea that's cool and the gang an' all, but a faith, any faith is made up of people. People that have a very strong attachment to their personal belief. Do I think some are daft and full to the the brim of magical thinking? Yes. Do I think humanity would have been far better off without the three desert religions? Yep.

However I do make the distinction between the guff and the person. Some of the kindest people I ever met were deeply(if quietly) religious. The majority of your religious are actually part time. You're not gonna be bothered by them or their beliefs. Neither are you paying for them to any great degree. So long as they're not affecting me in my life and leave me and the constitution the fcuk alone, live and let live I say.

PS TBH I find the ardent atheist mindset as irritating. It's often quite adolescent in it's rebelliousness.

I've met some positively lovely people who have identified as catholic, had lovely conversations regarding religion and such which revealed most of them, except for one, weren't into the whole catholic thing as much as they liked to say. I generally use communion bread and the pope's infallibility as a litmus test. Two core tenets of the catholic church and literally all but one said it was "supposed" to be symbolic and that the pope understands better but is sometimes wrong.

The one that didn't, well, he has gone for the priesthood, ardently believe that gays are fundamentally wrong. Among other really bigotted and disturbing views.

I do show people respect and I don't get in their face about their religions, but I refuse to respect their religion or to show it any reverence. Particularily the RCC, given that they hold the only man on earth who is "infallible".

Marcus.Aurelius · 17-02-2011 01:47PM

Deleted User wrote: »

You lost me man. I was making a point that religious intolerance starts with humour, and goes through all kinds of stages all the way to riots and concentration camps. So intolerance must be held with scorn.

Are you suggesting a slippery slope argument? Hitler et al. were cults built around people.

landsleaving · 17-02-2011 01:48PM

Deleted User wrote: »

Many a word of humour has had an intent of malice behind it.

True as this may be, there is nothing wrong with criticising and being critical of institutions. It's the people, the individuals who believe in them who shouldn't be insulted.

I am Irish, but I don't mind if someone insults Ireland. If someone told me that because I was Irish I was somehow fit for ridicule I would be rightly upset.

I will even insult the things I believe in, almost everything in the world is completely ridiculous when you think about it. Nothing should be beyond critical analysis and/or humour. Once you create a sacred cow you shouldn't be surprised that some people just see steak.

I like to live by the boards.ie rules. Don't be a dick and attack the post institution not the poster individual,

dilbert2 · 17-02-2011 01:48PM

Deleted User wrote: »

You lost me man. I was making a point that religious intolerance starts with humour.

Yeah all the crusades, tortured heretics, burned witches episodes must have had some humorous intent behind them.

Then again doesn't religious intolerance, often indoctrinated into Christianity start with humorous tales of (a) a man and a woman who ate an apple - that god told them not do - because a snake told them to - and then god got mad - and punishes everybody who has lived since then apparently.:rolleyes:............(b) Adam and Eve's two sons miraculously populate the earth :rolleyes:............(c) There was a great big global flood in which the heathens were drowned and two of each animal were saved - despite the fact they probably only knew of less than 1% of the species on earth a few thousand years ago :rolleyes:.................(d) The Red sea decides to give the laws of physics a rest for a few hours because some old man smacks his broomstick on the ground - in order to save the Israelites from Pharaoh's army. :rolleyes:...............(e) and Jesus - well there are too many holes in that story for me to mention in one post.

So yeah I guess that Christianity and intolerance did start out of a feat of humour (aka the bible) - so maybe you have a point.

minidazzler · 17-02-2011 01:50PM

Deleted User wrote: »

Many a word of humour has had an intent of malice behind it.

You lost me man. I was making a point that religious intolerance starts with humour, and goes through all kinds of stages all the way to riots and concentration camps. So intolerance must be held with scorn.

I'm with you on the law front.

Religious intolerance has been evident in most religions. The Crusades, The Spanish Inquisition etc. But that intolerance is OK?

Liamario · 17-02-2011 02:22PM

Even as a god fearing school boy, I never actually believed that what I was eating was the body of christ. Even then, I assumed it was just symbolism.
I am a very logical thinker and my journey from catholicism and religion in general stems from things like that.
It's all very illogical and as far as i'm concerned, 'God' is about as real as Star Wars.

Pace2008 · 17-02-2011 02:23PM

Wibbs wrote: »

God/Universal laws forbid we look in the mirror. Yea the kiddie fiddling priest. He wasn't some strange monster, he was one of your own and was protected by you and others of your own. People like to think this guff was out of our hands.

Our country was utterly in the thrall of the Church during the times of clerical abuse. It was fear, awe and unquestioning worship of the institution that kept the truth in he closet for an inexcusable amount of time.

I come from a background of Catholicism. A blood relative of mine, whom I've met on several occasions was a high-ranking clegyman implicated in the coverup of a high-profile case involving the abuse of numerous children. He is one of the most intelligent people I've ever met and, at the heart of it, a good person.

Such was this learned man's unwavering devotion to Catholicism he felt that the presevation of the Church's reputation was so important that he put vulnerable children in the path of a dangerous predator. I'd say it tears him up inside every day of his life. It should.

So whilst some part of the blame can be apportioned to the common man, I think the climate of subservience fostered by living under the thumb of an authoritarian institution who demanded compliance in return for protection from damnation of one's everlasting wasn't exactly conducive revealing the truth of the situation.

stephendevlin · 17-02-2011 02:33PM

"Thou shalt not kill"
Yet we have an army of trained killers and an Arsenal of weapons

sbsquarepants · 17-02-2011 02:40PM

Liamario wrote: »

Even as a god fearing school boy, I never actually believed that what I was eating was the body of christ. Even then, I assumed it was just symbolism.
I am a very logical thinker and my journey from catholicism and religion in general stems from things like that.
It's all very illogical and as far as i'm concerned, 'God' is about as real as Star Wars.

Star wars is real, i've seen it.....it's shít!

I don't believe it but unlike a lot most people here i wont claim to have any respect for peoples religious beliefs. I try avoid conversaitions about religion cos some people can really take offence. But i personally find ALL religion idiotic and the one i'm most familiar with (catholicism) i find absolutely repulsive.
I have a friend who's a witch, which fascinated me for a bit, but the more he explains it to me the more i find it's just as barking mad as anything catholic, if a lot less oppresive.

I just can't understand these people who pick and choose the bits they like and discard the inconvenient bits (like no sex before marriage and so on). You either take it all or you reject it all, it's not fúcking pick and mix people!!:mad:

Where To · 17-02-2011 02:42PM

Would people PLEASE stop referrring to Catholicism when they mean 'Roman Catholicism'

c_man · 17-02-2011 02:49PM

Prior to First Communion, we practiced in class with white chocolate buttons. I was so disappointed on the day itself.

minidazzler · 17-02-2011 02:50PM

where do i go from here wrote: »

Would people PLEASE stop referrring to Catholicism when they mean 'Roman Catholicism'

We probably won't, it's by far the dominant class of Catholicism that people say they subscribe to in this country, so it makes sense to use that, everyone here knows which catholic church we are talking about.

17-02-2011 02:52PM

where do i go from here wrote: »

Would people PLEASE stop referrring to Catholicism when they mean 'Roman Catholicism'

Does it matter? They're all just different shades of shíte.

Where To · 17-02-2011 02:57PM

minidazzler wrote: »

We probably won't, it's by far the dominant class of Catholicism that people say they subscribe to in this country, so it makes sense to use that, everyone here knows which catholic church we are talking about.

Oh right, I'm in UK at the minute so in 'this' country the Queen is the head of the 'catholic church'

All much clearer now isn't it??:pac:

ro09 · 17-02-2011 03:27PM

Why do some people find it so difficult to accept that others actually have beliefs and believe in something . People should be respected for their religious beliefs .

MagicMarker · 17-02-2011 03:28PM

ro09 wrote: »

People should be respected for their religious beliefs .

Why?

Penn · 17-02-2011 03:29PM

ro09 wrote: »

Why do some people find it so difficult to accept that others actually have beliefs and believe in something . People should be respected for their religious beliefs .

Again, think most people here respect others rights to their religious beliefs

Respect in the religion itself is a different matter entirely.

Lawrence1895 · 17-02-2011 03:35PM

My answer is 'No', but I accept if people believe in it.

Still, from a scientific point of view, I guess, it is not possible, that a human body turns into a wafer.

Wibbs · 17-02-2011 03:36PM

yawha wrote: »

Atheism doesn't have anything to do with explaining how the universe exists.

Of course it does. An Atheist doesn't believe that some white haired dude said let there be light. He or she subscribes to whichever scientific theory de jour. A theist is more likely to eschew the scientific theory entirely. If it had been left to theist, or at least devout ones, explanations for the origin of the universe would have been left to "God did it".

So why don't they believe in the fairy god father? The chances are 300 years ago they would have, which leads me to...

Atheism doesn't have anything to do with observation and experiment.

That's where the questions started and led more and more people to ask WTF?

Atheism is a lack of belief in gods.

Is my lack of belief that there is a giant invisible elephant in my room a belief system?

Yes. It is. You have a strongly held belief that transparent oversized pachyderms are not within the confines of your gaff or indeed anyone elses. One can have a belief system containing the absence of something.

Atheism is a belief system. Yes it is a hugely more logical one that evolves with new knowledge and isn't pickled in one book and is far far better at explaining existence, but it is a belief system. Though I suppose you could have unquestioning atheists? They just dont believe in god or gods, but dont really think beyond that into the why of it.

PeterIanStaker · 17-02-2011 03:39PM

Liamario wrote: »

It's all very illogical and as far as i'm concerned, 'God' is about as real as Star Wars.

But Star Wars is class and you actually learn lots of things from it.

Morag · 17-02-2011 03:41PM

Deleted User wrote: »

I'm an a-la-carte catholic.

You don't wanna call me a catholic. I call myself a catholic.

Whatcha gonna do about it?

Well that boils down to what your god is going to do about it.
Do you confess your transgressions to your priest?
Why do you call yourself a catholic?

ro09 · 17-02-2011 03:41PM

Barrington wrote: »

Again, think most people here respect others rights to their religious beliefs

Respect in the religion itself is a different matter entirely.

I know a lot of people feel angry about what some priests did but it doesn't mean you have to bash the innocent people who go to mass and believe in something.

Wolfe Tone · 17-02-2011 03:44PM

Delicious cannibalism

Do you believe that the communion bread is the actual body of christ?

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