Clarification: Fine Gael DO NOT support Same-Sex Marriage.

nordisk celt83 · 16-02-2011 03:30PM #1

This is an issue I'm sure will be of interest to many potential voters on this forum.

On politics.ie, a forumer has revealed that Fine Gael reps have sent him an official email outlining their opposition to changing the current status of marriage, while still favouring Civil-Partnership.

I hope this clarification is of relevance to some forumers when making their decisions on February 25th.

Labour, The Greens, ULA and Sinn Fein all favour equal marriage rights!!!

http://www.politics.ie/fine-gael/152305-fine-gael-do-not-support-same-sex-marriage.html

Azure_sky · 16-02-2011 03:49PM

I pretty much had a feeling they're not pro lgbt. One of their main support groups has always been practising Catholics and Protestants. They claim to trace their lineage back to Michael Collins but the truth is their lineage is a lot closer to the facist General Eoin O' Duffy. Assuming they go into government with Labour then at least they can be forced to make concessions on their policies. Fine Gael in power by themselves would be a nightmare.

nordisk celt83 · 16-02-2011 03:52PM

+100 A very frightening prospect indeed.

Plek Trum · 16-02-2011 04:01PM

Thanks for that - narrows down my options nicely.

Endymion · 16-02-2011 04:11PM

Well last I looked the greens failed to implement takes breaks for civil partners. So no vote of those bastards either.

BanzaiBk · 16-02-2011 04:48PM

"Our country has more important matters to deal with than the issue of homosexual marriage."

Jerry Buttimer, Fine Gael, Cork South Central candidate

Said to my face at the door the other night.

Endymion · 16-02-2011 04:51PM

It's true. We also have more important things to worry about than stagg hunting, but FG seems happy to commit themselves to overturning the ban and helping out a few hundred rich landed gentry.

nordisk celt83 · 16-02-2011 04:55PM

BanzaiBk wrote: »

"Our country has more important matters to deal with than the issue of homosexual marriage."

Jerry Buttimer, Cork South Central candidate

Said to my face at the door the other night.

Just to confirm, for others, that Jerry is running for Fine Gael, in Cork South Central... Similar reports of complete indifference, among FG candidates, are being reported at the doors nationwide!!!

BanzaiBk · 16-02-2011 04:59PM

nordisk celt83 wrote: »

Just to confirm, for others, that Jerry is running for Fine Gael, in Cork South Central... Similar reports of complete indifference, among FG candidates, are being reported at the doors nationwide!!!

Thanks, didn't even notice that I had left that out. Edited into my post there

Monty Burnz · 16-02-2011 05:00PM

Azure_sky wrote: »

I pretty much had a feeling they're not pro lgbt. One of their main support groups has always been practising Catholics and Protestants. They claim to trace their lineage back to Michael Collins but the truth is their lineage is a lot closer to the facist General Eoin O' Duffy.

I'm sorry, but that is a laughable statement.

/butts out again

Endymion · 16-02-2011 05:02PM

Monty Burnz wrote: »

I'm sorry, but that is a laughable statement.

/butts out again

I think your statement is laughable. It wasn't too long ago that a FG councillor/TD (Can't recall which) advocated buying all the foreign nationals a ticket home to solve the unemployment problem. Every party has it's nuts, but Enda didn't censor him.

nordisk celt83 · 16-02-2011 05:07PM

Lest we forget that Fine Gael TD's actually voted against the Civil Partnership legislation!!!

nordisk celt83 · 16-02-2011 05:08PM

^^^ The only political party with members to do so!!!

nordisk celt83 · 16-02-2011 05:29PM

Just to draw further attention to the views held by some of Fine Gael's younger candidates...

Ms. Creighton further confirmed her position on twitter this morning with the following tweet:

@Clarabel @leoie @campaignforleo I supported the Civil Partnership Bill fully I dont support gay marriage @leoie pls dont misprepresent me (sic)

Another tweeter recounted a conversation that he had with sitting T.D. for Dublin West Dr. Leo Varadkar. Dr. Varadkar appears to share Ms. Creightons views on the civil partnership bill and indicated that

he would make sure that Fine Gael NEVER supported same-sex marriage.

AvaKinder · 16-02-2011 05:39PM

I had a canvasser call to the door on behalf of Terence Flanagan a few minutes ago.

I informed him that although there were a number of reasons I wouldn't be voting FG, the fact that their party stance was against civil marriage was one of the important ones to me. Chap tried to tell me that in he was sure that wasn't the case at all, and when I insisted that it was party policy to support CP but not marriage, he told me to phone TF and then practically ran from the door!

Dr. Baltar · 16-02-2011 07:07PM

I had suspected as much. That will bump Labour to my number one preference, throw Sinn Féin second and followed by Fine Gael. I was going to give them a first preference.

wonderfulname · 16-02-2011 09:40PM

I thought this was common knowledge, also I must ask, where have sinn fein said they support full marriage equality? I can't find it in their policy...

Dr. Baltar · 16-02-2011 09:41PM

wonderfulname wrote: »

I thought this was common knowledge, also I must ask, where have sinn fein said they support full marriage equality? I can't find it in their policy...

Considering that they have a "Sinn Féin LGBT" group I thought it went with the package. They're also pretty liberal on social issues. I cannot confirm it though.

wonderfulname · 16-02-2011 09:53PM

Dr. Baltar wrote: »

Considering that they have a "Sinn Féin LGBT" group I thought it went with the package. They're also pretty liberal on social issues. I cannot confirm it though.

Assumptions are a dangerous thing... This is their LGB(very silent T) policy document, there's a whole lot of words there, but they don't really say anything as far as I can see.

Chuchoter · 16-02-2011 10:30PM

No SF don't support full marriage just going on the document on their website.

TheSockMonster · 16-02-2011 10:53PM

I will not be voting FG so. Nor will I be voting Labour due to the fact that I think Eamon Gilmore is a pompous a-hole and because of their stand on restricted dog breeds. I think the way to go is to vote for the independents. Any member of a political party is nothing more than a puppet being controlled by the leader IMO. Independents, it seems to me, care more about the opinions of the people in their constituency and have less of an ulterior motive.

Annasopra · 16-02-2011 11:53PM

This is in labours manifesto by the way

LGBT rights

Labour is committed to holding a referendum to provide for constitutional recognition of samesex marriage. Labour also supports entitling all parties to a marriage or civil partnership to apply to adopt a child, while ensuring that all adoption decisions must be made in the best long-term interests of the child.

In the immediate term, Labour will enact provisions to extend the tax benefits of marriage to same sex couples in civil partnerships.

Labour is committed to ensuring all publicly funded colleges operate in accordance with the constitutional right to Freedom of Conscience.

Labour will ensure the five teaching colleges introduce a Freedom of Conscience clause so that trainee teachers no longer are obliged to undergo compulsory religious education.

Labour will amend Section 37 of the Employment Equality Acts (1998) and (2004) to end discrimination against LGBT teachers and trainee teachers, and to ensure that there is no obstacle to schools tackling homophobic bullying.

Labour will continue to fund Gay HIV Strategies.

Labour will advance equality for trans-gender people by enacting gender recognition legislation, and by extending to them protections afforded by existing equality legislation.

rainbow kirby · 17-02-2011 12:34AM

Not only do Fine Gael not approve of same-sex marriage, but they committed the mortal sin tonight of interrupting me during the Barcelona match. Definitely not getting a preference from me. :pac:

Socialist - Labour - Independents for me.

ninty9er · 17-02-2011 01:31AM

Endymion wrote: »

I think your statement is laughable. It wasn't too long ago that a FG councillor/TD (Can't recall which) advocated buying all the foreign nationals a ticket home to solve the unemployment problem. Every party has it's nuts, but Enda didn't censor him.

Said Councillor is running as an independent candidate in Limerick City having not gotten the party nomination.

As regards the policy, you will find quite a few members within each party that support gay marriage, whereas my own proposal within Fianna Fáil (currently on complete hold due to elections and likely to be for a while) is that all references to marriage be removed from legislation and the constitution and replaced with civil partnership as it is an intrinsically religious institution that has been socially conditioned into our national psyche and IMO has no place in legislation.

And please don't vote independent. As a FF activist I'd rather see a FG majority than a paralysed coalition with a dolly mixture of independents bleating for the benefit of sectional interests.

wonderfulname · 17-02-2011 01:53AM

ninty9er wrote: »

And please don't vote independent. As a FF activist I'd rather see a FG majority than a paralysed coalition with a dolly mixture of independents bleating for the benefit of sectional interests.

As a Labour activist I would agree, I'd like to see a concrete plan for the next few years, whatever that plan may be... wow, something in common!

KnifeWRENCH · 17-02-2011 02:50AM

crayolastereo wrote: »

No SF don't support full marriage just going on the document on their website.

On the Eleventh Hour tonight, a candidate from Sinn Féin insisted his party supported gay marriage. As did Labour.

FF and FG both said they supported civil partnership and wanted to see the effects of that bill before proceeding any further. I reckon FG would be more reluctant to consider gay marriage than FF though; they're a more socially conservative party due to their status as a "Christian democracy". So long as they continue to have Christianity as a core part of their ideology, they will never get a vote off me.

Also, the representative from FG on the show said that his party was against embryonic stem cell research. That, opposition to gay marriage, Christian democracy and Enda Kenny as leader are just 4 of the many reasons why FG will not get ANY preference off me come the 25th.

Azure_sky · 17-02-2011 10:02AM

Monty Burnz wrote: »

I'm sorry, but that is a laughable statement.

/butts out again

Speaking of lols. It always amused me how F.G. tries to link themselves to Michael Collins yet whenever they were in power the spent their time licking the arses of the British Tories. Enda Kenny is not intelligent enough to lead this country. His primary support group are simple and superstitious people living in the west coast who like to see things in black and white.

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unfortunately · 17-02-2011 10:44AM

This is from the Sinn Fein site in 2007 when the Civil Union Bill was going through.

"Sinn Féin fully supports the right of same sex couples to marry and form a family, including by adoption. We also support the right of unmarried and same sex couples to enter into civil partnerships."

http://www.sinnfein.ie/contents/8549

Bottle_of_Smoke · 17-02-2011 12:30PM

The problem is a FG/LAb coalition won't bring in same sex marriage. Sure Labour support it but will they insist on it as a condition for entering a coalition? I don't think so Ted.

Labour haven't a chance of getting a majority government and have ruled out a left wing coalition with Sinn Fein/Greens/Independents(which is the only plausible government who would bring it in)

So voting Labour won't bring about same sex marriage, nor will voting FG. Therefore I wouldn't consider this an issue when voting in this election.

Ideologically this is wrong but for overall pragmatic/economic reasons I would vote FG/Greens.

Azure_sky · 17-02-2011 12:37PM

Bottle_of_Smoke wrote: »

The problem is a FG/LAb coalition won't bring in same sex marriage. Sure Labour support it but will they insist on it as a condition for entering a coalition? I don't think so Ted.

Incorrect. Fianna Fail didn't want to legalise homosexuality but pressure from Labour was effective. Of course Labour won't insist on legalising gay marriage as reason to go into a coalition government, that does not stop them from pressuring them once they are in power-just like they did with Fianna Fail in the nineties.

I'd rather vote for the Shinners or even Fianna Fail (Now that they have a leader with an I.Q. higher than a gnat) than the Blue Shirt conservotards. Fine Gael with Kenny as leader would be like the Irish equivalent of Bush and the Republicans in the U.S.

JustAddWater · 17-02-2011 12:39PM

You need to get yourself SKY+

rainbow kirby wrote: »

Not only do Fine Gael not approve of same-sex marriage, but they committed the mortal sin tonight of interrupting me during the Barcelona match. Definitely not getting a preference from me. :pac:

Socialist - Labour - Independents for me.

Clarification: Fine Gael DO NOT support Same-Sex Marriage.

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