Do you believe that the communion bread is the actual body of christ?

boatbuilder · 17-02-2011 11:24AM

My answer is No.

Haven't read through the entire thread, but the answer is pretty simple to me.
I go to the Baptist church and here is our point of view.

The bread and wine at communion do not actually turn to flesh and blood.
It is only symbolic of body and blood so people can remember that Jesus died in order to pay the price for man's sins.

1 Corinthians 11:24 and when he had given thanks, he broke it and said, "This is my body, which is for you; do this in remembrance of me."

Unfortunately the Roman Catholic church has taken this literally and not symbolically.

Canis Lupus · 17-02-2011 11:26AM

Deleted User wrote: »

AnnyLupal you're grand, it's a common misconception that "rights" have sway on boards. If the owners of boards.ie decided that all we could discuss all over was a certain brand of fluffy bunny cuddly toys, then that's all we could discuss, and we'd have no recourse because basically it's their servers, their site, their code.

Canis Lupus, youre evangelising atheism. hat I *cannot* abide. not because it's atheism, but because it's promoting one faith (or lack of) over another in a place where all faiths & none come to chill out. I would say the exact same to any Catholic evangelist coming in here with "Come find the love that Jesus Christ has for you, remember he died on the cross for your sins...." etc etc etc. This is a place for all faiths, keep your evangelism OUT!

As long as I keep within the charter and I don't get banned my opinion is as valid and seemingly as welcome as yours. At least I don't go around asking people to faceplant into concrete cos that was classy :rolleyes: Well done though, you're doing an awesome job of dragging the thread off topic

17-02-2011 11:27AM

Deleted User wrote: »

Canis Lupus, youre evangelising atheism.

where

17-02-2011 11:27AM

AnnyHallsal wrote: »

I haven't read religion threads in AH before so I didn't feel it was an inappropriate subject for a forum with such a broad reach.

You see, that's the problem. Once religion comes into AH it just becomes a rant-fest between religious folks of different creeds and none, especially when one side makes a joke that's a hoot to one side, mildly funny to a second, a bit insulting to a third, then a complete pisstake of one of the fourth's most personal, highly regarded beliefs.

Religion + AH = mess + bans + infractions - fun

Canis Lupus · 17-02-2011 11:30AM

boatbuilder wrote: »

My answer is No.

Haven't read through the entire thread, but the answer is pretty simple to me.
I go to the Baptist church and here is our point of view.

The bread and wine at communion do not actually turn to flesh and blood.
It is only symbolic of body and blood so people can remember that Jesus died in order to pay the price for man's sins.

1 Corinthians 11:24 and when he had given thanks, he broke it and said, "This is my body, which is for you; do this in remembrance of me."

Unfortunately the Roman Catholic church has taken this literally and not symbolically.

I always find that a much more acceptable stance. I'd really love a catholics opinion/justification on how they accept bread and wine literally transforms but yet this transformation is undetectable to us.

biko · 17-02-2011 11:34AM

Jesus didn't even exist for Christ's sake.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MvleOBYTrDE

Einstein · 17-02-2011 11:39AM

Deleted User wrote: »

You see, that's the problem. Once religion comes into AH it just becomes a rant-fest between religious folks of different creeds and none, especially when one side makes a joke that's a hoot to one side, mildly funny to a second, a bit insulting to a third, then a complete pisstake of one of the fourth's most personal, highly regarded beliefs.

Religion + AH = mess + bans + infractions - fun

To be fair, this thread is mild compared to some of the other tripe that's brought up and results in more modding.

On another note...I was brought up catholic, but I can take it or leave it. It doesn't have an effect on my daily life. I also believe that the communion is a symbol of Jesus's apparent sacrifice as opposed to it being his actual body.

I do however find it HILARIOUS how so called Atheists portray themselves though.

Athiest
–noun
1) the doctrine or belief that there is no god.
2) disbelief in the existence of a supreme being or beings.

However I can't seem to find the apparent 3rd descripton..

3) The requirement to bash other religions and people that practice these religions.

I find it hard how someone who seemingly doesn't believe in something, feels the need to tell everyone how much they don't believe.

Wake up peoples- that's a religion in itself!

Ledger · 17-02-2011 11:40AM

Do I think the communion wafer is body of Christ? - No.

Do I believe in all of the RCC's teachings? - No.

Do I have some kind of faith in my own mind and still count myself as a Roman Catholic? - Yes.

To be religious does not mean you must follow your religion to the letter of their word. Everyone has their own personal views on faith. That is the essence of being an individual.

People who say you should are not really teaching God's word, they are pushing their own personal beliefs.

Wibbs · 17-02-2011 11:41AM

minidazzler wrote: »

I've always said to myself that I would not be a bigot but I actually have no problem with openly hating and making fun of the catholic church given it's own bigotry that continues today. So enjoy peeling that wafer from the roof of your mouth

Yea that's cool and the gang an' all, but a faith, any faith is made up of people. People that have a very strong attachment to their personal belief. Do I think some are daft and full to the the brim of magical thinking? Yes. Do I think humanity would have been far better off without the three desert religions? Yep.

However I do make the distinction between the guff and the person. Some of the kindest people I ever met were deeply(if quietly) religious. The majority of your religious are actually part time. You're not gonna be bothered by them or their beliefs. Neither are you paying for them to any great degree. So long as they're not affecting me in my life and leave me and the constitution the fcuk alone, live and let live I say.

PS TBH I find the ardent atheist mindset as irritating. It's often quite adolescent in it's rebelliousness.

17-02-2011 11:42AM

Ledger wrote: »

Do I think the communion wafer is body of Christ? - No.

Do I believe in all of the RCC's teachings? - No.

Do I have some kind of faith in my own mind and still count myself as a Roman Catholic? - Yes.

"some kind of faith" doesn't make you a catholic

To be religious does not mean you must follow your religion to the letter of their word. Everyone has their own personal views on faith. That is the essence of being an individual.

I would agree except catholicism e.g. isn't one of those a la carte ones, if you want a general faith being protestant would suit you better

17-02-2011 11:45AM

Wibbs wrote: »

Neither are you paying for them to any great degree. So long as they're not affecting me in my life and leave me and the constitution the fcuk alone, live and let live I say.

I think at least part of this issue came up in A&A because of the census. It's clear a lot of "catholics" aren't really catholic but will enter this on a census, which will be used for policies e.g. educational policies. This will affect all of us. So they have been challenging "catholics" on this issue.
I still don't see why, personally, they don't just switch to a faith that DOES share all their beliefs. There's nothing wrong with the other faiths

It's not a case of catholic vs nothing

Wibbs · 17-02-2011 11:46AM

Einstein wrote: »

I find it hard how someone who seemingly doesn't believe in something, feels the need to tell everyone how much they don't believe.

Wake up peoples- that's a religion in itself!

Well yes, they're human and we humans love that kinda stuff. I'd not call it a religion, I would call it a doctrine however.

Ledger · 17-02-2011 11:48AM

bluewolf wrote: »

"some kind of faith" doesn't make you a catholic

I would agree except catholicism e.g. isn't one of those a la carte ones, if you want a general faith being protestant would suit you better

I say it like that because i do count myself as a Roman Catholic, but in the past few years I have become dissolusioned with the leaders of the church and their decisions.

I will make a quick example, it is a core belief that God created the world and the people, so why do the church leaders not accept the gay community? If God created them, why should they question God's creations?

Wibbs · 17-02-2011 11:49AM

bluewolf wrote: »

I think at least part of this issue came up in A&A because of the census. It's clear a lot of "catholics" aren't really catholic but will enter this on a census, which will be used for policies e.g. educational policies. This will affect all of us.

Bloody hell! You could actually swap out the word "catholic" for "Irish speaker" and it would still work.

Actually though, it would. AH whipping boy thread merge! :eek: Go me \o/

17-02-2011 11:50AM

Ledger wrote: »

I say it like that because i do count myself as a Roman Catholic, but in the past few years I have become dissolusioned with the leaders of the church and their decisions.

I will make a quick example, it is a core belief that God created the world and the people, so why do the church leaders not accept the gay community? If God created them, why should they question God's creations?

Honest question, why don't you find a church that agrees with what you believe?
I mean what you say makes sense really and I know there are churches that do believe so.

newmug · 17-02-2011 11:51AM

MagicMarker wrote: »

It's not really faith though, it's not as if the little wafer you're eating is imaginary. It's real, you're eating it, it's clearly not zombie flesh. Faith doesn't come into it at all. Blind acceptance however...

Eh, thats the definition of faith!

17-02-2011 11:51AM

Wibbs wrote: »

Bloody hell! You could actually swap out the word "catholic" for "Irish speaker" and it would still work. Actually though, it would. AH whipping boy thread merge! :eek: Go me \o/

Eh...what?

It's not a "whipping boy", there are threads all over the place "what do I do about getting my non catholic child into a school"

landsleaving · 17-02-2011 11:52AM

mconigol wrote: »

Why do I have a mental image of your front door being kicked in by a morading hoard of athiests who have wrestled control of your computer from you and tied and gagged you in the cupboard?! :eek:

Where's the rage?!

Reasonable person was reasonable, I'm not against discussing these things in a polite, thoughtful and productive manner, even in AH.

Plus, if I got angry about things I read on the internet I'd probably be a murderous lunatic by now.

mmmppphhhm

SHUT UP IN THERE

17-02-2011 11:53AM

I'm an a-la-carte catholic.

You don't wanna call me a catholic. I call myself a catholic.

Whatcha gonna do about it?

17-02-2011 11:54AM

Deleted User wrote: »

I'm an a-la-carte catholic.

You don't wanna call me a catholic. I call myself a catholic.

Whatcha gonna do about it?

ask what the point is

landsleaving · 17-02-2011 11:56AM

Wibbs wrote: »

Well yes, they're human and we humans love that kinda stuff. I'd not call it a religion, I would call it a doctrine however.

I'm an atheist... but I don't believe in atheism.

seamus · 17-02-2011 11:56AM

Deleted User wrote: »

Whatcha gonna do about it?

I'm also going to call you an a-la-carte Muslim because that's an equally valid title by your definition.

You're also a non-practising traveller.

Whatcha gonna do about it?

Ledger · 17-02-2011 11:57AM

bluewolf wrote: »

Honest question, why don't you find a church that agrees with what you believe?
I mean what you say makes sense really and I know there are churches that do believe so.

It's too complex to get into here, tbh I have trouble trying to figure things out in my own head, but I do still believe in many of the RCC's teachings, I just cannot understand how they can be so illogical sometimes.

(Just to clear it up by the way, I am not gay myself but I do believe everyone should be treated equally irrespective of their sexual preference, be that in life in general or in their faith.)

landsleaving · 17-02-2011 11:58AM

seamus wrote: »

I'm also going to call you an a-la-carte Muslim because that's an equally valid title by your definition.

You're also a non-practising traveller.

Whatcha gonna do about it?

*Makes mental note to start describing himself as all these things*

Dave! · 17-02-2011 11:59AM

bluewolf wrote: »

Honest question, why don't you find a church that agrees with what you believe?
I mean what you say makes sense really and I know there are churches that do believe so.

Or indeed, why identify yourself as being a particular denomination anyway?

Particularly one who's core beliefs you don't even subscribe to. Just say "these are my beliefs, I am what I am".

AnnyHallsal · 17-02-2011 11:59AM

What about the agnostics? Speaking of stereotypes, why should I be lumped in with atheists because of my scepticism?

Ledger · 17-02-2011 12:02PM

Dave! wrote: »

Or indeed, why identify yourself as being a particular denomination anyway? Particularly one who's core beliefs you don't even subscribe to. Just say "these are my beliefs, I am what I am".

I agre with you there Dave, but I guess that is the human condition, we wish to be able to label everything and everyone, and be accepted into that grouping.

I was brought up RC and like I said I do believe in many of their teachings, so I call myself a Roman Catholic.

seamus · 17-02-2011 12:05PM

AnnyHallsal wrote: »

What about the agnostics? Speaking of stereotypes, why should I be lumped in with atheists because of my scepticism?

Because agnostic doesn't make any declartion about whether you believe in God. You can be an agnostic atheist.

Agnostic = "I don't know"
Atheist = "I have no belief"

Therefore an agnostic atheist is someone who says, "I don't know if there is a God but I do not have a belief in one".

An agnostic theist would say, "I don't know if there is a God, but I do believe in one".

Canis Lupus · 17-02-2011 12:06PM

Ledger wrote: »

Do I think the communion wafer is body of Christ? - No.

Do I believe in all of the RCC's teachings? - No.

Do I have some kind of faith in my own mind and still count myself as a Roman Catholic? - Yes.

To be religious does not mean you must follow your religion to the letter of their word. Everyone has their own personal views on faith. That is the essence of being an individual.

People who say you should are not really teaching God's word, they are pushing their own personal beliefs.

But you do realise as has been said that you can't call yourself a Roman Catholic if you don't believe in every last one of its teachings. It's not a personal decision you have the authority to make. You're either entirely on board or not.

niallith · 17-02-2011 12:07PM

what sort of poll is this? obviously its not ? its just the symbolic body of christ ?

Do you believe that the communion bread is the actual body of christ?

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