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Do you believe that the communion bread is the actual body of christ?

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  • #92
    AnnyHallsal
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,118 ✭✭✭AnnyHallsal


    newmug wrote: »
    Ah not really though. They're all protestants of some sort or other.

    Well, they accept transubstantiation.

    The 'Roman' primarily refers to being led by the Pope, I believe.


  • #93
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 3,251 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Canis Lupus wrote: »
    I'd argue that the A&A forum is a pointless place to ask it for obvious reasons and the Christianity forum is for committed Christians which again defeats the question.

    Asking in AH allows for people who call themselves roman catholics but don't believe in many aspects of the religion to give their thoughts on their position.

    Religion is NOT welcome in AH. Otherwise all faiths just pile in and we get hamsterwheel after hamsterwheel after hamsterwheel thread and they just end up in hatred posts and bans.

    After Hours is not the place for evangelism, by any faith or lack of it. We believe what we believe and After Hours is not for its discussion.


  • #94
    Canis Lupus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,880 ✭✭✭Canis Lupus


    newmug wrote: »
    Ah not really though. They're all protestants of some sort or other.




    Well summed up. That is why I cannot stand this new breed of athiests who say, "Well I was brought up Catholic, but the paedophiles put me off. But I still believe in being good and not stealing, murdering etc".

    GRRRRRR. The bloody paedophiles weren't Catholic in the first place:mad::mad::mad: And how can you hate an organisation for having love and all-things-good at its core, and then turn around and say you believe the exact same stuff, but you just dont believe in God!!! Eh, hello, God and his religion have the monopoly on being good!!!!

    And as for the pope being able to change things, thats why Jesus created the office of pope, so that the religion can move with the times - Yet another thing athiests accuse Catholics of not doing:mad:

    Did he?


  • #95
    Canis Lupus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,880 ✭✭✭Canis Lupus


    Deleted User wrote: »
    Religion is NOT welcome in AH. Otherwise all faiths just pile in and we get hamsterwheel after hamsterwheel after hamsterwheel thread and they just end up in hatred posts and bans.

    After Hours is not the place for evangelism, by any faith or lack of it. We believe what we believe and After Hours is not for its discussion.

    From the charter: "After hours consists of the type of chat you have with your mates after a few pints at a lock in".

    Seems like this thread passes that requirement.


  • #96
    mconigol
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,583 ✭✭✭mconigol


    Canis Lupus wrote: »
    I'd argue that the A&A forum is a pointless place to ask it for obvious reasons and the Christianity forum is for committed Christians which again defeats the question.

    Asking in AH allows for people who call themselves roman catholics but don't believe in many aspects of the religion to give their thoughts on their position.

    Except all you get is a load of Richard Dawkins fanboys who are just as blinkered as the religious people they seem to detest hijacking the thread to bitch about the church.

    As I said before I've seen so many threads in AH that have been moved or locked fairly rapidly when there's an appropriate forum to discuss the topic or when the thread goes completely off topic.

    If I was to start a thread about a specific pub in Dublin it would probably get moved on to the Dublin forum pretty quickly even though I could argue that starting it in after hours gives non-dubliners the chance to give their thoughts on it. Identical argument. Equally pointless.


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  • #97
    hask1965
    Closed Accounts Posts: 40 ✭hask1965


    does it really mater if people belive its gods bread or not its up to you to belive what you want and no one should tell you what is or not :eek:


  • #98
    landsleaving
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,345 ✭✭✭landsleaving


    Canis Lupus wrote: »
    Do we mind religion? No per say.

    Do we mind the effect religion has on society including those of us who opt out? Yep

    Then why do these threads always just turn into Catholic/Christian bashing?

    I don't agree with a large amount of what Catholics do, but it's not my place to tell them what to believe, nor anyone elses. Question the Church itself, fair enough, but this thread does nothing of the sort, it's basically an excuse to call Catholics stupid for a belief they hold.

    So when the hardcore atheists seize power, will I be ironically crucified now?


  • #99
    taintabird
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 347 ✭✭taintabird


    baltimore sun wrote: »
    bahahahahahah :D:D :rolleyes:

    What is funny exactly?
    newmug wrote: »
    Ah they're not real Catholics, not in the true sense of the word. Catholicism (of the roman variety) is just the original Christianity, all the way back to Jesus's time. The word Catholic came about when protestantism was invented, as a way of distinguishing the two (cos protestants actually see themselves as Christian, the irony!) and I have no idea where the roman part comes into it, apart from the fact that St. Peter spread the religion as far as rome, where he was murdered and buried. It really pi$$es me off when people stick the word roman in there:mad:


    Elaborate and explain the irony please ?


  • #100
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 3,251 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Canis Lupus wrote: »
    Did he?

    See that?

    Soc -> Religion & Spirituality > Christianity
    >Thisaway!!!


  • #101
    seamus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 68,173 ✭✭✭✭seamus


    newmug wrote: »
    The bloody paedophiles weren't Catholic in the first place
    They could have been/could still be. As I point out above, belief is the key, not actions. At least some of the paedophiles may have believed what they were doing was wrong and repent and hated themselves for it but found themselves unable to control their urges. It doesn't mean they weren't Catholic, they were just very sinful Catholics.
    And how can you hate an organisation for having love and all-things-good at its core,
    Because in a physical world (as opposed the meta physical) the core belief is less important than actions. To take your paedophiles example, I'm sure many of them have "love and all-things-good" at their core, but it's all the other **** outside of that and their actions outside of that which define their totality.
    Similarly the core beliefs of the Catholic Church can be good, but the volume of downright evil acts which have been carried out and covered up with the Church's full knowledge and blessing cannot be written off because "It's good at the core".
    Eh, hello, God and his religion have the monopoly on being good!!!!
    But that's not true is it? If God and Catholicism had a monopoly on good, then anyone who is not Catholic would be incapable of doing good.


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  • #102
    AnnyHallsal
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,118 ✭✭✭AnnyHallsal


    landsleaving wrote: »
    Then why do these threads always just turn into Catholic/Christian bashing?

    I don't agree with a large amount of what Catholics do, but it's not my place to tell them what to believe, nor anyone elses. Question the Church itself, fair enough, but this thread does nothing of the sort, it's basically an excuse to call Catholics stupid for a belief they hold.

    So when the hardcore atheists seize power, will I be ironically crucified now?

    Doesn't the Catholic Church make it nigh on impossible for those who have been confirmed to leave? Many of us here are still technically Catholics. Don't we have a right to discuss our heritage?


  • #103
    Mint Sauce
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    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XUVNZFylTdo


  • #104
    landsleaving
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,345 ✭✭✭landsleaving


    newmug wrote: »
    Eh, hello, God and his religion have the monopoly on being good!!!!

    This, I do not agree with. No one has a monopoly on being good. To suggest Christianity somehow is better than other beliefs, or a lack thereof is insulting to other faiths which also strive for morality, and individuals with their own moral compass.

    'Goodness' is down to the individual, if it is encouraged by aspects of their faith, then great. Faith is not a prerequisite for goodness though.


  • #105
    newmug
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 3,571 ✭✭✭newmug


    AnnyHallsal wrote: »
    Well, they accept transubstantiation.

    The 'Roman' primarily refers to being led by the Pope, I believe.

    Catholics are led by Jesus. The pope is just the most senior administrator of the religion Jesus set up.

    Canis Lupus wrote: »
    Did he?

    Yep. If you were Catholic you'd know. Jesus hand-picked the first 12 bishops, and named one, St. Peter, as the leader, the first pope. This was the birth of Catholicism.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saint_Peter#The_.22Rock.22_dialogue


  • #106
    landsleaving
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,345 ✭✭✭landsleaving


    AnnyHallsal wrote: »
    Doesn't the Catholic Church make it nigh on impossible for those who have been confirmed to leave? Many of us here are still technically Catholics. Don't we have a right to discuss our heritage?

    So.. you want to use the technicality that you're still a member of the church in their official statistics as an excuse to insult actual Catholics?

    As I said, question the Church, not the individual. And if you all hate Catholics so much, leave the Church. It's not impossible at all.


  • #107
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 3,251 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    AnnyHallsal wrote: »
    Don't we have a right to discuss our heritage?

    We don't have a right to discuss anything. It's boards.ie's place, if they wanted to turn this place into Evangilisation Station they could if they wanted.


  • #108
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 26,920 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    When you look in to it, religion is fucked up. I mean every Sunday people eat and drink what they believe to be the body and blood of some man. Yikes.


  • #109
    AnnyHallsal
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,118 ✭✭✭AnnyHallsal


    landsleaving wrote: »
    So.. you want to use the technicality that you're still a member of the church in their official statistics as an excuse to insult actual Catholics?

    As I said, question the Church, not the individual. And if you all hate Catholics so much, leave the Church. It's not impossible at all.

    I'm not out to insult anyone. I don't hate Catholics or people of any faith. But I won't allow practising Catholics to tell me I can't discuss the faith within which I was reared.


  • #110
    landsleaving
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,345 ✭✭✭landsleaving


    AnnyHallsal wrote: »
    I'm not out to insult anyone. I don't hate Catholics or people of any faith. But I won't allow practising Catholics to tell me I can't discuss the faith within which I was reared.

    Then I have no beef with you. That is perfectly reasonable.


  • #111
    PandyAndy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 583 ✭✭✭PandyAndy


    Deleted User wrote: »
    We don't have a right to discuss anything. It's boards.ie's place, if they wanted to turn this place into Evangilisation Station they could if they wanted.

    The stop discussing it so. You need to be a shining example, just like Jesus.


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  • #112
    mconigol
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,583 ✭✭✭mconigol


    AnnyHallsal wrote: »
    Doesn't the Catholic Church make it nigh on impossible for those who have been confirmed to leave? Many of us here are still technically Catholics. Don't we have a right to discuss our heritage?

    Yes you can...................here


  • #113
    Canis Lupus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,880 ✭✭✭Canis Lupus


    mconigol wrote: »
    Yes you can...................here

    Seriously can you and Seaslacker stop being back seat mods? If this isn't suitable report it and a mod can decide. Jesus.... (see what I did there :P )


  • #114
    AnnyHallsal
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,118 ✭✭✭AnnyHallsal


    mconigol wrote: »
    Yes you can...................here

    And only politics in the politics forum? And economics in the economics forum? etc ..

    I'm not arguing with you though. Perhaps this is a sensitive issue for some and as I said I've no wish to insult anyone.


  • #115
    mconigol
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,583 ✭✭✭mconigol


    landsleaving wrote: »
    Then I have no beef with you. That is perfectly reasonable.

    Why do I have a mental image of your front door being kicked in by a morading hoard of athiests who have wrestled control of your computer from you and tied and gagged you in the cupboard?! :eek:

    Where's the rage?!


  • #116
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 2,960 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Deleted User wrote: »
    When you look in to it, religion is fucked up. I mean every Sunday people eat and drink what they believe to be the body and blood of some man. Yikes.

    You'd wonder why Jesus wanted this in the first place. It's pretty morbid after all.


  • #117
    Jason Damaged Shortchange
    Posts: 81,308 CMod ✭✭✭✭ Jason Damaged Shortchange


    landsleaving wrote: »
    But... I am an atheist.

    And I'm not. hurray!


  • #118
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 3,251 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    AnnyLupal you're grand, it's a common misconception that "rights" have sway on boards. If the owners of boards.ie decided that all we could discuss all over was a certain brand of fluffy bunny cuddly toys, then that's all we could discuss, and we'd have no recourse because basically it's their servers, their site, their code.

    Canis Lupus, youre evangelising atheism. hat I *cannot* abide. not because it's atheism, but because it's promoting one faith (or lack of) over another in a place where all faiths & none come to chill out. I would say the exact same to any Catholic evangelist coming in here with "Come find the love that Jesus Christ has for you, remember he died on the cross for your sins...." etc etc etc. This is a place for all faiths, keep your evangelism OUT!


  • #119
    sbsquarepants
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,810 ✭✭✭✭sbsquarepants


    Doc wrote: »
    So in order to be Roman Catholic you have to believe every single teaching of the Roman Catholic Church and can not disagree with any. Is this what you are saying?

    So how do you explain how different Popes have made changes in the church then?

    True it is a fundamental distinction between Protestant and Roman Catholic teaching but that dose not mean you cease to be Roman Catholic if you do not believe it.

    that's very inclusive of them, you can disagree with a fundamental principle and still be classed as a member? Reminds me of jackie skellies!


  • #120
    AnnyHallsal
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,118 ✭✭✭AnnyHallsal


    Deleted User wrote: »
    AnnyLupal you're grand, it's a common misconception that "rights" have sway on boards. If the owners of boards.ie decided that all we could discuss all over was a certain brand of fluffy bunny cuddly toys, then that's all we could discuss, and we'd have no recourse because basically it's their servers, their site, their code.

    'Right' was the wrong word for me to choose.

    I haven't read religion threads in AH before so I didn't feel it was an inappropriate subject for a forum with such a broad reach.


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  • #121
    MagicMarker
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 32,865 ✭✭✭✭MagicMarker


    deise go deo wrote: »
    My answer is yes, and before the massive torrent of abuse, yes you are a biggot, and its called faith, something I will be rewarded for when I die,(and if not... Meh)

    It's not really faith though, it's not as if the little wafer you're eating is imaginary. It's real, you're eating it, it's clearly not zombie flesh. Faith doesn't come into it at all. Blind acceptance however...


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