Do you believe that the communion bread is the actual body of christ?

Kimono-Girl · 17-02-2011 09:59AM

KnifeWRENCH wrote: »

No but whenever I have to go to a mass I get it anyway because it tastes nice!

me too

i love the taste of the stuff!i tried googling to see if i could make some but alas all i found was i could buy it in.

anybody know how to make communion?

(besides carving up Jesus)

^yes i believe its the body of Jesus

Micky Dolenz · 17-02-2011 10:00AM

Some Atheist's are so boring.

We should make a deal, I won't go on about my beliefs if you promise not to go on about your lack of beliefs.

newmug · 17-02-2011 10:03AM

Deleted User wrote: »

Man I hate religious persecution threads. (And that is what this is. It's "LOOK AT MEEEE I'M THE SUPERIOR ATHEIST" by the back door.

I'm not voting.

Personally I go for the fuzzy fuzzy It's not that simple answer. Do I think the bread becomes a peice of meat? no. Do I know or want to discuss what I think the Bread becomes after the Sacrament? No.

Disgusted this religion bashing thread is being allowed continue.

+1,000,000

My answer is YES

where do i go from here wrote: »

I'm a Catholic and i can vote NO!!!

Theres other Catholics apart from Roman Catholics in this country yanno!!:)

Like who?

17-02-2011 10:05AM

newmug wrote: »

+1,000,000

My answer is YES

Like who?

I think anglicans are catholics arent they

I'm tired so I cant figure out if seaslacker is joking around or not :pac:

ebixa82 · 17-02-2011 10:06AM

I could never even attempt to eat it. If it is really is Jesus Christ's body surely it's like a game of Russian roulette and some poor cun.t will end up munching on a piece of his left testicle, scrotum or anus!

PandyAndy · 17-02-2011 10:06AM

Kimono-Girl wrote: »

me too

i love the taste of the stuff!i tried googling to see if i could make some but alas all i found was i could buy it in.

anybody know how to make communion?

(besides carving up Jesus)

^yes i believe its the body of Jesus

Here you go

http://www.ehow.com/how_2292943_make-communion-bread.html

Go make Jesus!

LisaLee · 17-02-2011 10:07AM

No, more of a symbolism really, which goes against Catholic teaching. I just don't bother taking Communion anymore.

17-02-2011 10:11AM

bluewolf wrote: »

I think anglicans are catholics arent they

I'm tired so I cant figure out if seaslacker is joking around or not :pac:

I'm hugely insulted by the thread's existence, but the OP's just a census nazi, and I'm just going to get on with my life and be damned if I let such a self-righteous such-and-such ("such-and-such" may or may not replace the word "pr*ck") get a rise from me.

baltimore sun · 17-02-2011 10:12AM

bluewolf wrote: »

I think anglicans are catholics arent they

bahahahahahah

:D :rolleyes:

mconigol · 17-02-2011 10:16AM

Is there not a religion forum on here somewhere?

I'm getting sick of listing to a bunch of hardcore atheists working themselves up into a frenzy about something they supposedly don't even care about.

17-02-2011 10:17AM

baltimore sun wrote: »

bahahahahahah :D :rolleyes:

What's the joke?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anglican_Catholic_Church

newmug · 17-02-2011 10:20AM

bluewolf wrote: »

I think anglicans are catholics arent they

Ah they're not real Catholics, not in the true sense of the word. Catholicism (of the roman variety) is just the original Christianity, all the way back to Jesus's time. The word Catholic came about when protestantism was invented, as a way of distinguishing the two (cos protestants actually see themselves as Christian, the irony!) and I have no idea where the roman part comes into it, apart from the fact that St. Peter spread the religion as far as rome, where he was murdered and buried. It really pi$$es me off when people stick the word roman in there:mad:

newmug · 17-02-2011 10:22AM

mconigol wrote: »

Is there not a religion forum on here somewhere?

I'm getting sick of listing to a bunch of hardcore atheists working themselves up into a frenzy about something they supposedly don't even care about.

An athiest forum you mean! Yea there is one. Wish they'd keep their insults there.

Canis Lupus · 17-02-2011 10:22AM

Deleted User wrote: »

Man I hate religious persecution threads. (And that is what this is. It's "LOOK AT MEEEE I'M THE SUPERIOR ATHEIST" by the back door.

I'm not voting.

Personally I go for the fuzzy fuzzy It's not that simple answer. Do I think the bread becomes a peice of meat? no. Do I know or want to discuss what I think the Bread becomes after the Sacrament? No.

Disgusted this religion bashing thread is being allowed continue.

Considering you don't want to talk about it you're posting an awful lot in this thread.

Transubstant...ation (or however it's spelt) is a core piece to catholicism whereby the bread and wine change to the body and blood of Jesus although apparently this change isn't detectable by any means/senses (the theologians must have all heartily patted themselves on the back when they came up with that explanation).

Lots of catholics really don't believe this process and yet call themselves catholics. I think it's worthy enough to chat about.

AnnyHallsal · 17-02-2011 10:23AM

newmug wrote: »

Ah they're not real Catholics, not in the true sense of the word. Catholicism (of the roman variety) is just the original Christianity, all the way back to Jesus's time. The word Catholic came about when protestantism was invented, as a way of distinguishing the two (cos protestants actually see themselves as Christian, the irony!) and I have no idea where the roman part comes into it, apart from the fact that St. Peter spread the religion as far as rome, where he was murdered and buried. It really pi$$es me off when people stick the word roman in there:mad:

You can be Catholic without being Roman Catholic, if you belong to the Eastern Orthodox Church, the Oriental Orthodox Church, or the Assyrian Church of the East.

IamtheWalrus · 17-02-2011 10:23AM

OP you blasphemer. Now, off to you app store and download the sin forgiver app!

seamus · 17-02-2011 10:23AM

It's not even bread, never mind Jesus.

If they got a few fresh loaves from Superquinn before mass and chopped them up, I bet you the attendance figures would go through the roof. Even better, bake it fresh in the church; the smell would have people coming from miles around.

Doc wrote: »

So in order to be Roman Catholic you have to believe every single teaching of the Roman Catholic Church and can not disagree with any. Is this what you are saying?

Eh...that's exactly it. There is no distinction between "this stuff you have to believe" and "Ah sure, all this stuff is optional, you can believe it if you want, we don't care".
If it's OK to not agree on some things, then you could logicially extend that to, "I don't believe in Jesus or the resurrection or God or any of that nonsense, but I'm catholic to be sure to be sure".

It's all or nothing. Can you eat meat and call yourself a vegetarian? No, of course you can't. So therefore you cannot support contraception and call yourself a Roman Catholic.

This is the fundamental thing that people seem to be missing. If everyone can pick and choose what parts of Catholicism to believe, then who decides what you can't pick and choose? And if you can pick and choose on some things, but not others, then why does the catholic church talk about the optional things at all? Why not abandon them?

Of course, the made-up titles of "lapsed" or "non-practicing" Catholic are for people who incorrectly believe that Catholicism is part of their cultural identity - that being Irish and being Catholic are in some way inextricably tied and are afraid to admit the truth that they are no longer Roman Catholic lest they feel like they're betraying their heritage and letting Mammy down. I have more respect for someone who calls themself Roman Catholic and sticks to its rules than someone who goes along with the facade of, "Oh I'm Catholic but I only go to Mass on Xmas Eve after rogering my girlfriend seven ways from Sunday with a johnny on my mickey".

I must note that someone who "betrays" the Church's teachings aren't necessarily out of the Church. A Catholic who uses contraception isn't automatically non-Catholic. However, that person must believe that the use of contraception is wrong and repent for their "sins". If they use contraception and disagree with the Catholic Church on it being evil, then they are not Catholic. Simple As.

So how do you explain how different Popes have made changes in the church then?

The Pope is seen as God's representative on earth and therefore is imbued with the righteousness of said God and may make changes to the church and its teaching as he sees fit because the church believes that he is acting on God's behalf, with God's wisdom.

You, on the other hand, are not.

AnnyHallsal · 17-02-2011 10:26AM

seamus wrote: »

Eh...that's exactly it. There is no distinction between "this stuff you have to believe" and "Ah sure, all this stuff is optional, you can believe it if you want, we don't care".
If it's OK to not agree on some things, then you could logicially extend that to, "I don't believe in Jesus or the resurrection or God or any of that nonsense, but I'm catholic to be sure to be sure".

It's all or nothing. Can you eat meat and call yourself a vegetarian? No, of course you can't. So therefore you cannot support contraception and call yourself a Roman Catholic.

This is the fundamental thing that people seem to be missing. If everyone can pick and choose what parts of Catholicism to believe, then who decides what you can't pick and choose? And if you can pick and choose on some things, but not others, then why does the catholic church talk about the optional things at all? Why not abandon them?

Of course, the made-up title of "lapsed" or "non-practicing" Catholic is for people who incorrectly believe that Catholicism is part of their cultural identity - that being Irish and being Catholic are in some way inextricably tied and are afraid to admit the truth that they are no longer Catholic lest they feel like they're betraying their heritage.

My mother shamelessly describes herself as an "a la carte" Catholic :rolleyes:

the_pits · 17-02-2011 10:27AM

Eddie Izzard sums it

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yCIvmdABBnU

Dave! · 17-02-2011 10:28AM

lol no

Canis Lupus · 17-02-2011 10:31AM

mconigol wrote: »

Is there not a religion forum on here somewhere?

I'm getting sick of listing to a bunch of hardcore atheists working themselves up into a frenzy about something they supposedly don't even care about.

Do we mind religion? No per say.

Do we mind the effect religion has on society including those of us who opt out? Yep

And hey if the religious can send missionaries out to convert people I think we should be allowed the same lee way :P You don't want to participate you don't have to

mconigol · 17-02-2011 10:34AM

newmug wrote: »

An athiest forum you mean! Yea there is one. Wish they'd keep their insults there.

Religion forum, Athiesm forum whichever. I don't care. I'd consider the OP to be a question about religion/catholicism though so religion would be more suitable in my opinion.

Threads seem to get locked in after hours all the time when they're deemed to be off topic. These type seem to be exempt though :rolleyes:

Caoimhín · 17-02-2011 10:35AM

Ofd course it is.

And im the king of Norway.

mconigol · 17-02-2011 10:36AM

Canis Lupus wrote: »

Do we mind religion? No per say.

Do we mind the effect religion has on society including those of us who opt out? Yep

And hey if the religious can send missionaries out to convert people I think we should be allowed the same lee way :P You don't want to participate you don't have to

There's a suitable forum here already for the OPs question. It's a very specific question about a specific part of Catholicism so imo it belongs in the religion forum.

17-02-2011 10:39AM

Canius Lapus, Go faceplant into concrete.

newmug · 17-02-2011 10:41AM

AnnyHallsal wrote: »

You can be Catholic without being Roman Catholic, if you belong to the Eastern Orthodox Church, the Oriental Orthodox Church, or the Assyrian Church of the East.

Ah not really though. They're all protestants of some sort or other.

seamus wrote: »

Eh...that's exactly it. There is no distinction between "this stuff you have to believe" and "Ah sure, all this stuff is optional, you can believe it if you want, we don't care".
If it's OK to not agree on some things, then you could logicially extend that to, "I don't believe in Jesus or the resurrection or God or any of that nonsense, but I'm catholic to be sure to be sure".

It's all or nothing. Can you eat meat and call yourself a vegetarian? No, of course you can't. So therefore you cannot support contraception and call yourself a Roman Catholic.

This is the fundamental thing that people seem to be missing. If everyone can pick and choose what parts of Catholicism to believe, then who decides what you can't pick and choose? And if you can pick and choose on some things, but not others, then why does the catholic church talk about the optional things at all? Why not abandon them?

I must note that someone who "betrays" the Church's teachings aren't necessarily out of the Church. A Catholic who uses contraception isn't automatically non-Catholic. However, that person must believe that the use of contraception is wrong and repent for their "sins". If they use contraception and disagree with the Catholic Church on it being evil, then they are not Catholic. Simple As.
The Pope is seen as God's representative on earth and therefore is imbued with the righteousness of said God and may make changes to the church and its teaching as he sees fit because the church believes that he is acting on God's behalf, with God's wisdom.

You, on the other hand, are not.

Well summed up. That is why I cannot stand this new breed of athiests who say, "Well I was brought up Catholic, but the paedophiles put me off. But I still believe in being good and not stealing, murdering etc".

GRRRRRR. The bloody paedophiles weren't Catholic in the first place:mad::mad::mad: And how can you hate an organisation for having love and all-things-good at its core, and then turn around and say you believe the exact same stuff, but you just dont believe in God!!! Eh, hello, God and his religion have the monopoly on being good!!!!

And as for the pope being able to change things, thats why Jesus created the office of pope, so that the religion can move with the times - Yet another thing athiests accuse Catholics of not doing:mad:

PandyAndy · 17-02-2011 10:42AM

Deleted User wrote: »

Canius Lapus, Go faceplant into concrete.

That violence isn't very Christian of you.

grrrrrrrrrr · 17-02-2011 10:42AM

No, surely it would be brown bread if it was JC since he was an Arab

Canis Lupus · 17-02-2011 10:44AM

mconigol wrote: »

There's a suitable forum here already for the OPs question. It's a very specific question about a specific part of Catholicism so imo it belongs in the religion forum.

I'd argue that the A&A forum is a pointless place to ask it for obvious reasons and the Christianity forum is for committed Christians which again defeats the question.

Asking in AH allows for people who call themselves roman catholics but don't believe in many aspects of the religion to give their thoughts on their position.

17-02-2011 10:44AM

GRRRRRR. The bloody paedophiles weren't Catholic in the first place

Is it no true scotsman time again already

Do you believe that the communion bread is the actual body of christ?

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