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anyone here going to vote sinn féin?

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  • #1562
    paul71
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,420 ✭✭✭paul71


    Wolfe Tone wrote: »
    How dare you accuse Gerry of being in the IRA!

    Ok, Il answer, I don't know. I also don't care, for a variety of reasons. Besides, I have faith in SF and Adams too.
    Ive made it clear my vote is intended to get SF to be the main opposition party in the Dáil, which is about the best realistic outcome(it would take a majority for SF to be able to implement all their policy)


    So you dont care, that is responsible. Well vote and live with the consequence when your bank closes, your employers banks closes and all other accounts close, there will be 3.5 million unemployed and no dole.

    With the right to vote comes a responsibilty to ourselves and those who earned us the right to vote.

    "I don't care" is not good enough, but at last I got an answer and it is exactly the one I expected.

    I saw the word traitor used earlier in this post, it is a despicable word.

    I prefer the verb betray, in the context of wasting a vote.


  • #1563
    puffdragon
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 354 ✭✭puffdragon


    http://www.independent.ie/business/irish/aib-jobloss-talks-intensify-as-iboa-meets-management-on-restructure-2540324.html

    http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/finance/2011/0216/1224289929067.html

    http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/opinion/2011/0214/1224289736462.html

    The writings on the wall , IN BERLIN, some of us just cant see it with Fianna Fail glasses on.


  • #1564
    Wolfe Tone
    Closed Accounts Posts: 14,670 ✭✭✭✭Wolfe Tone


    paul71 wrote: »
    So you dont care, that is responsible. Well vote and live with the consequence when your bank closes, your employers banks closes and all other accounts close, there will be 3.5 million unemployed and no dole.

    With the right to vote comes a responsibilty to ourselves and those who earned us the right to vote.

    "I don't care" is not good enough, but at last I got an answer and it is exactly the one I expected.

    I saw the word traitor used earlier in this post, it is a despicable word.

    I prefer the verb betray, in the context of wasting a vote.
    Wow, Im glad my single vote will win SF a majority.


  • #1565
    KELTICKNIGHTT
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,781 ✭✭✭KELTICKNIGHTT


    Wolfe Tone wrote: »
    Its strange, in some threads Im a dissident republican, then Im called a shinner, is it that hard to accept that I am independent and don't support any party strongly enough to join?

    not by your post


  • #1566
    Wolfe Tone
    Closed Accounts Posts: 14,670 ✭✭✭✭Wolfe Tone


    KELTICKNIGHTT wrote: »
    not by your post
    How does that even make any sense?


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  • #1567
    KELTICKNIGHTT
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,781 ✭✭✭KELTICKNIGHTT


    puffdragon wrote: »
    http://www.independent.ie/business/irish/aib-jobloss-talks-intensify-as-iboa-meets-management-on-restructure-2540324.html

    http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/finance/2011/0216/1224289929067.html

    http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/opinion/2011/0214/1224289736462.html

    The writings on the wall , IN BERLIN, some of us just cant see it with Fianna Fail glasses on.

    changing the issue again


  • #1568
    KELTICKNIGHTT
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,781 ✭✭✭KELTICKNIGHTT


    Wolfe Tone wrote: »
    How does that even make any sense?

    as much as your does


  • #1569
    Wolfe Tone
    Closed Accounts Posts: 14,670 ✭✭✭✭Wolfe Tone


    KELTICKNIGHTT wrote: »
    as much as your does
    My post made perfect sense, yours are somewhat lacking


  • #1570
    paul71
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,420 ✭✭✭paul71


    Wolfe Tone wrote: »
    Wow, Im glad my single vote will win SF a majority.


    I hope enough people "care" about their vote enough to ensure SF never get a whiff of public office in the next 100 years, because if they do the econimic colapse afterwards will make post famine emigration look like a weekend trip to Prague.


  • #1571
    KELTICKNIGHTT
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,781 ✭✭✭KELTICKNIGHTT


    Wolfe Tone wrote: »
    My post made perfect sense, yours are somewhat lacking

    you have answered any questions that other poster put too you so you didnt


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  • #1572
    KELTICKNIGHTT
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,781 ✭✭✭KELTICKNIGHTT


    paul71 wrote: »
    I hope enough people "care" about their vote enough to ensure SF never get a whiff of public office in the next 100 years, because if they do the econimic colapse afterwards will make post famine emigration look like a weekend trip to Prague.

    i seconded that,sf will never see a goverment post ever in ireland,for at least next 100 years or more,they be the longest back party never too see goverment


  • #1573
    puffdragon
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 354 ✭✭puffdragon


    Wolfe Tone wrote: »
    Its strange, in some threads Im a dissident republican, then Im called a shinner, is it that hard to accept that I am independent and don't support any party strongly enough to join?

    The anonymous nature of the boards forums allows all kinds of antagionists to say whatever they like ,maybe some are even paid to do so, and this thread is no different, the main thrust of the Fianna Fail desperation argument pushers is to deflame and destroy, however we will prevail and with gods help maybe they will pause to read the odd newspaper and even check out the state of our economy which is presently being discussed and decided in Berlin and Frankfurt .

    If they do finally click then there will be no gloating from me after all I'll probably meet them on the dole queue .


  • #1574
    paul71
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,420 ✭✭✭paul71


    KELTICKNIGHTT wrote: »
    you have answered any questions that other poster put too you so you didnt


    But he did finally answer a question KELTIC, he finally admitted he does not care about what happens as a result of SF economic policy.

    That is admisssion that he has no interest in reasoned debate, and has no interest in democracy.


  • #1575
    Wolfe Tone
    Closed Accounts Posts: 14,670 ✭✭✭✭Wolfe Tone


    paul71 wrote: »
    I hope enough people "care" about their vote enough to ensure SF never get a whiff of public office in the next 100 years, because if they do the econimic colapse afterwards will make post famine emigration look like a weekend trip to Prague.
    Oh I care about my vote all right, I know I am doing the right thing by voting SF. I trust SF.


  • #1576
    SnowY32
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 226 ✭✭SnowY32


    paul71 wrote: »
    I hope enough people "care" about their vote enough to ensure SF never get a whiff of public office in the next 100 years, because if they do the econimic colapse afterwards will make post famine emigration look like a weekend trip to Prague.

    are you for real! Gwan away more hyped up bull, i can tell you fine gaels false election is going to go balls up when the sack 30,000 people from there jobs its going to be a long year of strikes!


  • #1577
    paul71
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,420 ✭✭✭paul71


    puffdragon wrote: »
    The anonymous nature of the boards forums allows all kinds of antagionists to say whatever they like ,maybe some are even paid to do so, and this thread is no different, the main thrust of the Fianna Fail desperation argument pushers is to deflame and destroy, however we will prevail and with gods help maybe they will pause to read the odd newspaper and even check out the state of our economy which is presently being discussed and decided in Berlin and Frankfurt .

    If they do finally click then there will be no gloating from me after all I'll probably meet them on the dole queue .

    So Puffdragon since we finallly got the "I don't care" answer from Wolfe tone, can we have your answer?

    Do you care that their will be no way to pay your wages when Mr. Adams closes all the banks?


  • #1578
    KELTICKNIGHTT
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,781 ✭✭✭KELTICKNIGHTT


    paul71 wrote: »
    But he did finally answer a question KELTIC, he finally admitted he does not care about what happens as a result of SF economic policy.

    That is admisssion that he has no interest in reasoned debate, and has no interest in democracy.

    thats true,seems gerry adams suffers same


  • #1579
    paul71
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,420 ✭✭✭paul71


    SnowY32 wrote: »
    are you for real! Gwan away more hyped up bull, i can tell you fine gaels false election is going to go balls up when the sack 30,000 people from there jobs its going to be a long year of strikes!


    Yes I am for real, when all the banks close due to having no funds after Gerry pulls out of IMF, how will your wages be paid?

    It is a really simple question. Gwan answer it.


  • #1580
    Wolfe Tone
    Closed Accounts Posts: 14,670 ✭✭✭✭Wolfe Tone


    paul71 wrote: »
    But he did finally answer a question KELTIC, he finally admitted he does not care about what happens as a result of SF economic policy.

    That is admisssion that he has no interest in reasoned debate, and has no interest in democracy.
    No I didnt say that, I said I didnt know where they would get the cash, and I said I didnt care either, thats it.


  • #1581
    KELTICKNIGHTT
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,781 ✭✭✭KELTICKNIGHTT


    puffdragon wrote: »
    This gem is a good example, no capitals, no punctuation ,no sense, anyone would think this poster was just punching away at keys in frantic desperation, like someone drowning or something(pardon the pun)

    i guess i dont care much as its about sf :-)
    about as good as not getting a answer from sf supporters,have same way handled like the leader gerry ads ,doent anwsers questions asked,just changes a different direction not too answer as sf supporters dont have answers,maybe you know the vat rate


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  • #1582
    paul71
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,420 ✭✭✭paul71


    Wolfe Tone wrote: »
    No I didnt say that, I said I didnt know where they would get the cash, and I said I didnt care either, thats it.


    So you don't care that they don't have an answer, you don't care that there is no money to back up their non policy.

    You get the government you deserve you know.

    If you don't care then, please in the interest of the democracy my Grandfather took a bullet for spoil your vote, it is a valid democratic statement.


  • #1583
    puffdragon
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 354 ✭✭puffdragon


    I, unlike you, however do care whether It's your opinion or anyone elses.

    So now we have two people here who "dont care" thats you KELTIC and Wolfe, both on two sides of an arguement and neither "care" not much of a debate is it, just a slagging match really.

    Please refer to my previous post on page 105 the decisions are being made for us and we should be standing together and not fighting among ourselves , after all we are all citizens of EIRE . Good night.


  • #1584
    Wolfe Tone
    Closed Accounts Posts: 14,670 ✭✭✭✭Wolfe Tone


    paul71 wrote: »
    So you don't care that they don't have an answer, you don't care that there is no money to back up their non policy.

    You get the government you deserve you know.

    If you don't care then, please in the interest of the democracy my Grandfather took a bullet for spoil your vote, it is a valid democratic statement.
    I said I dont know, and I dont particularly care either, as I trust SF.(as in I wont be losing sleep over it) Also, as I articulated, the best one can really hope for is for SF to become the main opposition party or a minority party, its policy would be out the window then. And being a realistic fellow I am voting for them bearing that in mind.

    If by some miracle SF get 85 seats then I will enjoy seeing how they implement their pledges. SF are a party with good core republican values, ones which this state was founded on and have been forgotten about along the way, ones which your grandfather may have died for(I assume you refer to civil war, 1916?) Its time they returned.

    I will do no such thing.


  • #1585
    KELTICKNIGHTT
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,781 ✭✭✭KELTICKNIGHTT


    puffdragon wrote: »
    I, unlike you, however do care whether It's your opinion or anyone elses.

    So now we have two people here who "dont care" thats you KELTIC and Wolfe, both on two sides of an arguement and neither "care" not much of a debate is it, just a slagging match really.

    Please refer to my previous post on page 105 the decisions are being made for us and we should be standing together and not fighting among ourselves , after all we are all citizens of EIRE . Good night.

    your right ,i dont care for sf,you finaly got it right ,fare play too you ,you fianally get it,i dont like sf and couldnt care less for them as they are a useless party with no rel policys,i know you get it in the end:D
    my grand father would role in his grave with laughter when he would hear the sf stuff alright,your right again


  • #1586
    paul71
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,420 ✭✭✭paul71


    puffdragon wrote: »
    I, unlike you, however do care whether It's your opinion or anyone elses.

    So now we have two people here who "dont care" thats you KELTIC and Wolfe, both on two sides of an arguement and neither "care" not much of a debate is it, just a slagging match really.

    Please refer to my previous post on page 105 the decisions are being made for us and we should be standing together and not fighting among ourselves , after all we are all citizens of EIRE . Good night.

    Again absolutely no answer in this wandering, meandering post. What are you talking about?

    How will your wages be paid when the banks close if Gerry is elected? How do Sinn Fein meet the the 15 billion shortfall each year without the IMF.

    Don't point to the SF policy document "costed" by the Dept of Finance as the Dept of Finance never even saw it.

    Don't say we will re-enter the bond market, we will get nothing from the bond market until we prove that the govt spending shortfall has been addressed.


  • #1587
    paul71
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,420 ✭✭✭paul71


    Wolfe Tone wrote: »
    I said I dont know, and I dont particularly care either, as I trust SF.(as in I wont be losing sleep over it) Also, as I articulated, the best one can really hope for is for SF to become the main opposition party or a minority party, its policy would be out the window then. And being a realistic fellow I am voting for them bearing that in mind.

    If by some miracle SF get 85 seats then I will enjoy seeing how they implement their pledges. SF are a party with good core republican values, ones which this state was founded on and have been forgotten about along the way, ones which your grandfather may have died for(I assume you refer to civil war, 1916?) Its time they returned.

    I will do no such thing.

    Not killed, blinded for life and was war of independance.

    The point is as you have admitted, SF will not get into power. They know their policy is nonsense but they are using it to play for vote base of 15% to 20% for the next election and to build from that.

    They are telling lies to get that base and that is the real issue, they are positioning themselves to attract the same support FF had for 60 years as socialist republicans, but if we let them get away with lies and misleading us now they will become FF, corrupt socialists, the very worst form of government.


  • #1588
    the_syco
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 37,308 ✭✭✭✭the_syco


    Wolfe Tone wrote: »
    One mans terrorist is another's freedom fighter. Thats all I will say.
    He'd probably get more votes if he admitted to it, but would also be treated like the leader of the Hamas if he did, so he will never admit to it whilst he's a politician, and there's no point when he retires, so I can't see him ever admitting to it.


  • #1589
    Wolfe Tone
    Closed Accounts Posts: 14,670 ✭✭✭✭Wolfe Tone


    paul71 wrote: »
    Not killed, blinded for life and was war of independance.

    The point is as you have admitted, SF will not get into power. They know their policy is nonsense but they are using it to play for vote base of 15% to 20% for the next election and to build from that.

    They are telling lies to get that base and that is the real issue, they are positioning themselves to attract the same support FF had for 60 years as socialist republicans, but if we let them get away with lies and misleading us now they will become FF, corrupt socialists, the very worst form of government.
    Dev was never a republican socialist. FF where never socialist. I disagree, I think they genuinely believe it, I do not doubt them being genuine about it. Whether that is good or bad is something else. If they were elected they would do it.

    Personally I think they will do well, and be excellent opposition and be in a position to challenge, this country needs core republican values now more than ever, those exposed by the proclamation, SF are genuine about building an Ireland of equals. All the other parties have lost the vision, and the values, of republicanism along the way. SF haven't, despite whatever crap they did in its name(it obviously got out of hand) they are coming out the other side now and have the vision.


  • #1590
    Wolfe Tone
    Closed Accounts Posts: 14,670 ✭✭✭✭Wolfe Tone


    the_syco wrote: »
    He'd probably get more votes if he admitted to it, but would also be treated like the leader of the Hamas if he did, so he will never admit to it whilst he's a politician, and there's no point when he retires, so I can't see him ever admitting to it.
    No he wont, history will put him down initially as this generations Michael Collins, and hopefully this islands unifier. It is frankly, amazing what he did no matter how you look at it.(ie getting IRA to dispand and follow exclusive political means) Bare in mind the IRA wasnt on the verge of defeat but was in a position to fight indefinitely.


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  • #1591
    paul71
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,420 ✭✭✭paul71


    Wolfe Tone wrote: »
    Dev was never a republican socialist. FF where never socialist. I disagree, I think they genuinely believe it, I do not doubt them being genuine about it. Whether that is good or bad is something else. If they were elected they would do it.

    Personally I think they will do well, and be excellent opposition and be in a position to challenge, this country needs core republican values now more than ever, those exposed by the proclamation, SF are genuine about building an Ireland of equals. All the other parties have lost the vision, and the values, of republicanism along the way. SF haven't, despite whatever crap they did in its name(it obviously got out of hand) they are coming out the other side now and have the vision.

    We have the highest rate of Social welfare in the world, we pay our Govt employees the highest rate of pay in Europe, we pay the highest indirect tax in the world, we might as well be communist, that is FF socialism.

    Dev was a socialist, he launched a trade war with the UK our biggest trading partner and introduced isolationist economic policy which put us into an economic and emigration spiral for 2 generations.

    Gerry Adams is positioning himself to make the same mistakes, launch a trade war with our biggest trade partner the EU over money we borrowed to build hundreds of thousands of houses. He proposes to continue paying the highest state wage bill and social welfare in the world, and make us pay hugh tax to fund it. The result would be same for Ireland as we suffered in from 1930 to 1990.


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