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RTE2 in 1080i

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  • #92
    mickeyboymel
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 815 ✭✭✭mickeyboymel


    There is no comparison to BBC 1 HD on Freesat & The upscaled RTE2 On Saorview. The easiest way to compare is to look at the grass on the pitch. With BBC you can see the blades of grass and any small brown imperfections in the pitch where boots have dug in - on RTE its just one green mass underfoot.


  • #93
    mcwhirter
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,432 ✭✭✭mcwhirter


    Gipo3 wrote: »
    if your able to switch between rte2 and bbc1 hd its obvious. Picture so much better on rte 2 dtt than sky all the same.


    I thought that the rte2 HD wasn't that much better than the regular bbc1 on sky.

    Overall it wasn't much sharper if at all, although the colours seemed more vibrant.


  • #94
    Minstrel27
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,818 ✭✭✭Minstrel27


    mickeyboymel wrote: »
    There is no comparison to BBC 1 HD on Freesat & The upscaled RTE2 On Saorview. The easiest way to compare is to look at the grass on the pitch. With BBC you can see the blades of grass and any small brown imperfections in the pitch where boots have dug in - on RTE its just one green mass underfoot.

    Could you imagine what BBC One HD would look like if they used a better bitrate.


  • #95
    Almaviva
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,490 ✭✭✭Almaviva


    Newbe to HD, but is the following understanding correct ? I have a full HD TV.

    - RTE2 on Saorview is detected by the TV to be HD
    - but, from reading here, RTE2 HD is not really HD at all.
    - It is an upscaled SD transmission

    Is this just a technical transmission test, or is it really intended to be any better than my HD TV would handle an SD transmission anyway?

    Comparing the rugby yesterday I couldnt see any difference between the BBC1 SD and RTE 2 HD. But the BBC1 HD channel was clearly better and genuinely looked to be higher definition (even if the bitrate wasnt as high as some want). I would say though, that I really only noticed the improvement when flicking back and forth between the two channels to deliberately compare them. When simply watch in the BBC HD I cannot say that I was aware of it or that it contributed anything to the viewing.

    So is RTE 2 HD really a misrepresentation by RTE at the moment?


  • #96
    watty
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,461 ✭✭✭✭watty


    No, because RTE don't claim there is HD content. They will indicate HD content by "HD" appended to the RTE 2 "DOG"

    They are transmitting an HD signal because some people. especially online are unscrupulously selling MPEG4 DTT boxes or CAM converters that can't ever do HD.

    Since there will be no wasteful simultaneous transmissions as Irish stations move to HD, RTE is sensibly up-scaling and transmitting an HD signal now. HD reception is part of the mandatory minimum spec for Irish Digital TV. Because the UK was early adopter they are stuck with two systems side by side to do SD and HD on Terrestrial.

    People with less than "top of range" re-scaling chips in the HDTV will also get a slightly better picture as RTE's up-scaling equipment is quite good. This is only really noticeable on professionally downs-scaled HD. However that's icing, not intentional.
    See http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2056094972 for some simulated examples


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  • #97
    radiospan
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,355 ✭✭✭radiospan


    RTE2 on DTT is how all SD channels should look.

    Would it be right to say that the reason it looks so much better is solely because the bitrate is about 3 times higher than the other channels in SD? Does the fact it's being upscaled to 1080 in Donnybrook instead of in your TV have any bearing? (All SD channels are being upscaled to 1080 by your TV anyway, right?)

    EDIT: Heh, I think you've answered this watty with the edit in your last post :D


  • #98
    watty
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,461 ✭✭✭✭watty


    It's only partially the bitrate. Mostly the higher quality upscaling, and only if source was good downscale of HD.
    Also they might be up-scalling 720x576 vs 544x576, though a lot of time that wouldn't be obvious, 544x576 4:3 is similar to 720x576 widescreen and your eye is maybe less sensitive to detail in horizontal direction.

    Eventually RTE1, TV3 and TG4 will be HD.


  • #99
    AloKildare
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 115 ✭✭AloKildare


    watty wrote: »

    Eventually RTE1, TV3 and TG4 will be HD.

    Any idea when this will happen? After the switching off of the analogue signal I presume?


  • #100
    watty
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,461 ✭✭✭✭watty


    Over the next few years. Not anytime soon! But unlike UK, there will be no simulcast and even people with CRT and down-converting setbox to SCART will see some improvement. ALL setboxes will have SCART and HDMI and HD. Anything less doesn't work.

    All TV sets with Irish Digital Compatible Tuners internally do some form of HD (at least 720 or 768 lines if not full 1080 lines)


  • #101
    munchkin_utd
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,960 ✭✭✭munchkin_utd


    whats the current status?
    Are they broadcasting events like the rugby which ARE being filmed in HD as HD to the end user on Saorview yet?

    Just wondering, as in Germany the Rugby yesterday was on Sport1+ in HD, with Ryle and the boys providing commentary.

    It would be ironic if RTÉ sports coverage is "available" abroad in HD but not in Ireland isself!!
    (half time commentary was replaced by ads in germany, and post match commentary at the end was a shot of the field rather than returning to the lads in their suite overlooking the pitch)


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  • #102
    JDxtra
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,046 ✭✭✭JDxtra


    The match was not in HD on RTE2, just the usual upscaled picture. I believe that was what was expected.

    It was good though - just not as good as what was on BBC 1 HD.


  • #103
    elsie1b
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 193 ✭✭elsie1b


    Is there any good reason why the temporary RTE2 on saorview is unwatchable ?
    What's the point of providing a channel that makes the viewer feel nauseous while watching ?


  • #104
    JDxtra
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,046 ✭✭✭JDxtra


    It's like that on purpose. It's only there to remind viewers using unsupported hardware that they'll need new kit to continue watching from April.


  • #105
    elsie1b
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 193 ✭✭elsie1b


    JDxtra wrote: »
    It's like that on purpose. It's only there to remind viewers using unsupported hardware that they'll need new kit to continue watching from April.
    I just watched the match on BBC in HD.
    Our analogue signal has gone to hell lately and although I much prefer the RTE panel, I only have a "picnic" for the DTT at the moment.


  • #106
    The Cush
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,092 ✭✭✭✭The Cush


    munchkin_utd wrote: »
    whats the current status?
    Are they broadcasting events like the rugby which ARE being filmed in HD as HD to the end user on Saorview yet?

    Just wondering, as in Germany the Rugby yesterday was on Sport1+ in HD, with Ryle and the boys providing commentary.

    It would be ironic if RTÉ sports coverage is "available" abroad in HD but not in Ireland isself!!
    (half time commentary was replaced by ads in germany, and post match commentary at the end was a shot of the field rather than returning to the lads in their suite overlooking the pitch)

    Not happening for this Six Nations according to RTÉ
    An Tarbh wrote: »
    got an email from RTÉ saying they won't be showing the 6 Nations in full HD, hardly surprising but extremely disappointing nonetheless.


  • #107
    galtee boy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,520 ✭✭✭galtee boy


    I see Mrs Brown's Boys is on BBC One next Monday night and is flagged as being in HD. I presume this means RTE have the capacity to make series in HD now ? What's stopping them doing the Late Late, Fair City etc and putting them out on Saorview in HD when it launches in May ?


  • #108
    Gipo3
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 561 ✭✭✭Gipo3


    I thought it was filmed in Britain by BBC?


  • #109
    galtee boy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,520 ✭✭✭galtee boy


    Gipo3 wrote: »
    I thought it was filmed in Britain by BBC?

    My apologies, if it was. I just assumed it was made by RTE !


  • #110
    The Cush
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,092 ✭✭✭✭The Cush


    Gipo3 wrote: »
    I thought it was filmed in Britain by BBC?

    Wasn't it filmed in Glasgow or Edinburgh?


  • #111
    Sam Russell
    Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 20,398 Mod ✭✭✭✭Sam Russell


    Anyway, it was fimed by an independent production company, not RTE.


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  • #112
    mcwhirter
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,432 ✭✭✭mcwhirter


    galtee boy wrote: »
    I see Mrs Brown's Boys is on BBC One next Monday night and is flagged as being in HD. I presume this means RTE have the capacity to make series in HD now ? What's stopping them doing the Late Late, Fair City etc and putting them out on Saorview in HD when it launches in May ?


    I couldn't watch it in SD or HD , it's looks rubbish after seeing the promos.


  • #113
    radiospan
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,355 ✭✭✭radiospan


    Are we expecting some HD content to be broadcast on RTE 2 HD in May (or before)? Or will this Soarview launch come and go without any change?


  • #114
    Fingleberries
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,401 ✭✭✭Fingleberries


    plazzTT wrote: »
    Are we expecting some HD content to be broadcast on RTE 2 HD in May (or before)? Or will this Soarview launch come and go without any change?
    Recent documentation from RTÉ NL have said that the plan for RTÉ 2 HD was to start broadcasting in HD in 2011. However, recent direction from the BAI and DCENR ordered the RTÉ2 HD to be put onto the second MUX, means that it will likely be 2012 before this happens. Some HD Content might be broadcast this year.

    As has been mentioned in a bunch of different threads, I think RTÉ and Saorview would benefit greatly in the country by having the All-Ireland Hurling and Football games in Full HD this year. Would be a great driver of adoption for the platform and also a good way to spread by word of mouth (at the grass roots GAA / parish level :))


  • #115
    kiki
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 111 ✭✭kiki


    I think last nights Champions league game was transmitted DTT in HD on RTE2, It was much better than the SD "temporary RTE 2" channel. I know one is RTE2 is noramlly a SD picture upscaled to 1080 before transmission, but the picture quality was way better than the SD channel. Anyone confirm this ?


  • #116
    mike65
    Closed Accounts Posts: 88,968 ✭✭✭✭mike65


    Once again I was trying to decide if it was real HD or if I was fooling myself.


  • #117
    The Cush
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,092 ✭✭✭✭The Cush


    kiki wrote: »
    I think last nights Champions league game was transmitted DTT in HD on RTE2, It was much better than the SD "temporary RTE 2" channel. I know one is RTE2 is noramlly a SD picture upscaled to 1080 before transmission, but the picture quality was way better than the SD channel. Anyone confirm this ?

    RTÉ 2 HD (1080i upscaled) is running at approx 6 Mbps bit rate with the "Temporary" RTÉ 2 SD channel between 1 and 2 Mbps. The upscaled 1080i version will always look superior.

    RTÉ has said it will indicated a full HD programme with an "RTÉ 2 HD" DOG/Bug/logo during an actual native HD broadcast so that we know we are actually watching a true HD transmission instead of upscaled/upconverted material.
    It is planned that the service will carry a new logo/bug ‘RTÉ 2 HD’ and also a short animation will be played, probably a lower third super, on handover to the live event.
    ...
    In all cases the transmission schedule/running order will contain specific data to indicate the true HD events.


  • #118
    Stevek101
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,281 ✭✭✭Stevek101


    Certain footage last night particularly from the Barcelona Arsenal match the night before definitely looked native HD to me.


  • #119
    The Cush
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,092 ✭✭✭✭The Cush


    Stevek101 wrote: »
    Certain footage last night particularly from the Barcelona Arsenal match the night before definitely looked native HD to me.

    Good news if they're testing.


  • #120
    kiki
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 111 ✭✭kiki


    Would the bandwidth for a 1080i transmission be greater than the corresponding SD transmission ? I would expect it to be even if content was very similar (because RTE are doing the upscaling and must be transmitting more data for upscaled pixels (by upscaling algorithm) if this is the case then no surprises that one is 6MBit and the other is 1~2.

    What surprised me was the vast difference between the SD upscaled at my STB/receiver before going to the TV and the "SD" upscaled before transmission. Looking at the clarity of the picture on the 1080i vs the Temporary SD signal, it looked like more than just upscaling, to my eye there was more "content" in the 1080i picture, ie I could clearly see content on one and not at all on the other. Could it be that we were watching a test for HD or "almost HD" on RTE2 ? Alternatively it could be that my STB does the upscaling to the 1080i very poorly before the HDMI connection to TV?


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  • #121
    Johnmb
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,150 ✭✭✭Johnmb


    kiki wrote: »
    Would the bandwidth for a 1080i transmission be greater than the corresponding SD transmission ? I would expect it to be even if content was very similar (because RTE are doing the upscaling and must be transmitting more data for upscaled pixels (by upscaling algorithm) if this is the case then no surprises that one is 6MBit and the other is 1~2.

    What surprised me was the vast difference between the SD upscaled at my STB/receiver before going to the TV and the "SD" upscaled before transmission. Looking at the clarity of the picture on the 1080i vs the Temporary SD signal, it looked like more than just upscaling, to my eye there was more "content" in the 1080i picture, ie I could clearly see content on one and not at all on the other. Could it be that we were watching a test for HD or "almost HD" on RTE2 ? Alternatively it could be that my STB does the upscaling to the 1080i very poorly before the HDMI connection to TV?
    As far as I know, the SD transmission is not "standard" SD, it is a downscaled version, and would likely look bad even if compared with another, normal SD channel.


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