RTE2 in 1080i

MercySeat

I am watching the Munster game on RTE2 and it appears to be in HD (1080i). Did I miss something while I was asleep :eek:?

Mr McBoatface

MercySeat wrote: »

I am watching the Munster game on RTE2 and it appears to be in HD (1080i). Did I miss something while I was asleep :eek:?

It's like that over a month now. RTE1 and TV3 to follow sometime after the 2nd mux is turned on.

Schorpio

It must have been a long sleep! There's a thread all about RTE 2 broadcasting in HD here.

Schorpio

jobyrne30 beat me to it!

MercySeat

I lost my user/pass and stayed away for months

Does that means there are 2 sets of channels (SD + HD) or is it HD only (he asks ..... too lazy to read the thread tonight altho he will read it tomorrow whewn the sport is over )?

At present there is a SD simulcast but this will be discontinued in April. It's intended to be HD only but as Saorview receivers will downscale the HD picture via SCART this isn't an issue except for Picnic boxes and some other non compliant gear.

MercySeat

Very interesting.
So I assume it is simply upscaling for those programmes not shot in HD and terribly expensive. I'll read the other thread for comments.

scart? what's that :):D:):D:)?

STB

MercySeat wrote: »

Very interesting.
So I assume it is simply upscaling for those programmes not shot in HD and terribly expensive. I'll read the other thread for comments.

scart? what's that :):D:):D:)?

You will a lot more HD content when the HD playout system is installed in RTE's new HD swanky suite, especially Sport - most is shot in HD yes, but not broadcast, at the moment. They have been archiving HD content for a good few years anyhow.

MercySeat

STB wrote: »

You will a lot more HD content when the HD playout system is installed in RTE's new HD swanky suite, especially Sport - most is shot in HD yes, but not broadcast, at the moment. They have been archiving HD content for a good few years anyhow.

Looking forward to it. I recorded a lot of the Ireland HD stuff (eg. Dubs v Laois) to play on my PCHour.

jabarrett35

Is RTE 2 true HD, because I've watched some recent US show which are certainly filmed in HD but do not look anything as crisp as those on on Sky or even those I download? This is on the same television which is full HD.

watty

It's SD content up-converted by better quality "up-scaler" than any Domestic HDTV in RTE and then a real HD Transmission (1440x1080i approx) 25fps, 50Hz.

They will in the near future have some real HD content, indicated by HD added to dog. They may have some HD sport before they get the HD dog working.

"Battle of Britain" the other day was ghastly quality though, like watching VHS. Most RTE2 currently looks better than locally up-scaled RTE1 though.

deadduck

was watching the munster game last night, looked great. if that's the quality rte's upscaler can put out, i wish they'd use it on everything!

Sam Russell

deadduck wrote: »

was watching the munster game last night, looked great. if that's the quality rte's upscaler can put out, i wish they'd use it on everything!

I thought the quality of the picture in the Munster match was significantly better than the quality of the refereeing, (or the rugby).

L1011

The Munster game was most likely shot in HD, downscaled and then upscaled again for broadcast. This will generally result in a perceived sharper image than an SD shot source upscaled.

cormacl

watty wrote: »

It's SD content up-converted by better quality "up-scaler" than any Domestic HDTV in RTE and then a real HD Transmission (1440x1080i approx) 25fps, 50Hz.

The poor upscaling of recent MPEG4 HD TVs is really noticeable. Got my parents a new LG Full HD LCD for Xmas and the upscale of RTE1, TV3 and TG4 is quite poor when compared to what my DM8000 does using its DTT tuner.

So the rollout of all stations in upscaled HD will be very welcome.

watty

However our LG TV up-scales far better than any PC I have seen doing video.
How do THX/Lucas branded DVDs look via RGB SCART or Component?
You know most THX titles if you go to Languages and select the THX logo you get a video & audio tests / Setup screens?

cormacl

The test at the time was to feed the DTT direct to the TV and compare with the same signal routed through the DTT tuner of DM8000 and to the TV over HDMI.

I had actually just brought down the receiver to play back some recordings I had made. I only did the test when I noticed the RTE1 picture not seeming as good as the one I had at home. My own Samsung is an MPEG2 model so I can't do a similar test.

But its a very noticeable difference.. the image is much sharper. The TV's own upscaled image is not as sharp and shows more artifacts.. you know its a digital signal. The RTE2 picture is excellent however.

Mike 1972

watty wrote: »

indicated by HD added to dog. .

Whats the point of HD if theyre going to ruin it with DOG's

I thought the 1960's/early 70's habit of reminding one that a programme/channel was "in colo(u)r" was silly enough

watty

I hate Dogs. There was only a need on Analogue Cable/MMDS. Digital doesn't need a DOG. One press and you know what channel you are on.

It's an insult having to have a DOG. At least it's not a bright coloured opaque animated one (some channels have those stupidities)

Sam Russell

I think DOGs are to identify where the pirate video came from, and to promote the station logo.

Gipo3

If they are to have a new dog I hope it will be similar to BBC HD One.

watty

I think just the existing one and simply suffix HD only during HD content. The signal will always be HD.

Gipo3

As long as its not like five hd, the bbc is right in the top left corner.

Antenna

watty wrote: »

I hate Dogs. There was only a need on Analogue Cable/MMDS. Digital doesn't need a DOG. One press and you know what channel you are on.

There was little need for DOGs on analogue either with teletext - teletext data would allow the channel to be named on the TV's channel list and appear on channel changes etc.
Though it may not be properly implemented by the broadcasters.
TG4 for example named 'TEACS' instead of 'TG4' on an autosetup

L1011

Antenna wrote: »

There was little need for DOGs on analogue either with teletext - teletext data would allow the channel to be named on the TV's channel list and appear on channel changes etc.
Though it may not be properly implemented by the broadcasters.
TG4 for example named 'TEACS' instead of 'TG4' on an autosetup

There'd be moans from Irish language activists if TG4 broke grammar rules and put "TG4 Teacs" instead. Ridiculous, but absolutely certain...

HappyHarry

Is Moonraker on RTE2 right now from a HD source rather than up-scaled?
Looks very crisp/sharp.

I know it doesn't have HD DOG, but looks better that the usual up-scaled stuff.

watty

anything downscalled from HD source looks better upscalled than SD Upscalled
It's not HD

See http://boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2056094972

Tonio

Wonder if the new HD equipment will be in place for the 6 nations or the resumption of the champions league next month. Would be nice!

watty

Possibly no actual HD content till May. But you never know.

Manc-Red

watty wrote: »

anything downscalled from HD

Digitalb were notorious for doing that on 16e on the EPL coverage.

Mayo Exile

Wonder when they'll start pillarboxing 4:3 ratio (old Simpsons etc) material like they do on Channel 4HD? It's still in "stretchyvision".

homer911

Tonio wrote: »

Wonder if the new HD equipment will be in place for the 6 nations or the resumption of the champions league next month. Would be nice!

Well the BBC were able to show Lansdowne Rd matches in HD, so I dont see why RTE cant now..

OldRio

Well one would hope RTE show the six nations in HD.
The feeds coming in from most of the other countries will be in HD.

An Tarbh

OldRio wrote: »

Well one would hope RTE show the six nations in HD.
The feeds coming in from most of the other countries will be in HD.

and the feed that RTÉ as host broadcaster send abroad will also be HD (it was last year), it's just unlikely that we'll get it in native HD in Ireland.

10000maniacs

This is just typical. They have everything in place, yet they don't bother just for the sake of not bothering. Sums up Irish semi state corporate governance for the last 30 years.

watty

RTE's HD playout may not be installed configured yet or else 4:3 content on RTE2 would be correct.

Minstrel27

10000maniacs wrote: »

This is just typical. They have everything in place, yet they don't bother just for the sake of not bothering. Sums up Irish semi state corporate governance for the last 30 years.

I am sure it's not as simple as that.

thorbarry

how do i avail of this RTE HD? I'm with UPC but im guessing you need something more?

watty

An Aerial and Irish Digital compatible TV or Setbox. No Subscription
www.saortv.info explains everything.

radiospan

10000maniacs wrote: »

This is just typical. They have everything in place, yet they don't bother just for the sake of not bothering. Sums up Irish semi state corporate governance for the last 30 years.

I don't think they have everything in place. I can't remember if anyone confirmed that they had the HD playout system installed yet?

10000maniacs

plazzTT wrote: »

I don't think they have everything in place. I can't remember if anyone confirmed that they had the HD playout system installed yet?

Ok, but they made the decision to use MPEG4 2 year ago. They had ample time to install the HD playout system.
In the grand scheme of things, this piece of equipment is by no means expensive, one HD camera would cost more.

An Tarbh

got an email from RTÉ saying they won't be showing the 6 Nations in full HD, hardly surprising but extremely disappointing nonetheless.

watty

MPEG4 is separate to HD. They made decision to go for MPEG4 for SD maybe nearly 4 years ago. We don't know when they decided to have part time HD. We only know when they announced it.

glimmerman123

Now that Eamon Ryan has stepped down as minister for communications when will we know if the proposed channel line up for Saorview will be passed? The reason i ask is RTE 2 lite HD will be part of the line up and i was wondering if RTE want to broadcast in HD does this have to be passed by the department of communications? Maybe a silly question.

Bullseye1

Have RTE confirmed they will be broadcasting their HD channels on Sky?

Johnmb

Bullseye1 wrote: »

Have RTE confirmed they will be broadcasting their HD channels on Sky?

No, and it's likely to happen, unless and until Sky have replaced most of their boxes with HD ones. Neither RTE nor Sky would be willing to pay for carrying two versions of an RTE channel as would need to be the case as long as such large numbers of Sky boxes are not capable of receiving a HD channel.

Bullseye1

Johnmb wrote: »

No, and it's likely to happen, unless and until Sky have replaced most of their boxes with HD ones. Neither RTE nor Sky would be willing to pay for carrying two versions of an RTE channel as would need to be the case as long as such large numbers of Sky boxes are not capable of receiving a HD channel.

It would seem strange that Sky would not offer their HD subscribers here in Ireland RTE channels in HD when they are available.

Johnmb

Bullseye1 wrote: »

It would seem strange that Sky would not offer their HD subscribers here in Ireland RTE channels in HD when they are available.

I admire your optimism!
They already do that now. We don't get the ITV HD (or even the basic ITV channels for that matter), or Channel 4HD. Do we get BBC1HD? Admittedly, my information is a bit out of date as I haven't been a Sky subscriber since last August, but not providing Irish customers with basic channels that are already carried on the platform is nothing new for Sky, so not adding a new channel to the platform specifically for Irish viewers would be well within normal practice for them.

glimmerman123

Bullseye1 wrote: »

It would seem strange that Sky would not offer their HD subscribers here in Ireland RTE channels in HD when they are available.

It's not up to Sky it's up to RTE if they want to put their channels on the Sky platform. I think RTE said they hope to broadcast their new channels on all platforms in the future i take it this includes Sky.

Bullseye1

Johnmb wrote: »

I admire your optimism!
They already do that now. We don't get the ITV HD (or even the basic ITV channels for that matter), or Channel 4HD. Do we get BBC1HD? Admittedly, my information is a bit out of date as I haven't been a Sky subscriber since last August, but not providing Irish customers with basic channels that are already carried on the platform is nothing new for Sky, so not adding a new channel to the platform specifically for Irish viewers would be well within normal practice for them.

But those are English channels. At least they we can get those by tuning in ourselves.

Bullseye1

glimmerman123 wrote: »

It's not up to Sky it's up to RTE if they want to put their channels on the Sky platform. I think RTE said they hope to broadcast their new channels on all platforms in the future i take it this includes Sky.

Cheers.