Census 2011

jakdelad · 20-01-2011 07:34PM

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5. You are obliged to tell them anything they ask you.

really anything they ask you
like tell us anything we ask??/ or else wow what a concept

how about the question asking women how many children they had born alive?????
and suppose some poor woman whos just had a stillbirth or miscarraige

does she have to answer ANYTHING they ask you moron

jakdelad · 20-01-2011 07:45PM

Killer Pigeon wrote: »

Clearly past policy makers don't pay enough attention to the importance of censuses. In fact they should hold a census every 2 years to emphasise the relevance of population statistics.

tell these basstards nothing
they want information from you but threating you with fines if you dont co,operate

your information is very vaulable and is not secure.....
when the japanese bombed pearl harbour
the americian govt used census information to round up americian japenese CITIZENS and put them in a pow camp

the census act allows for the toaiseach to use information from the census if he see s fit

PeterIanStaker · 20-01-2011 07:48PM

Looking forward to putting down "no religion" on it.

Grudaire · 20-01-2011 07:55PM

jakdelad wrote: »

tell these basstards nothing
they want information from you but threating you with fines if you dont co,operate

your information is very vaulable and is not secure.....
when the japanese bombed pearl harbour
the americian govt used census information to round up americian japenese CITIZENS and put them in a pow camp

the census act allows for the toaiseach to use information from the census if he see s fit

jakdelad · 20-01-2011 07:59PM

your point????

snickerpuss · 20-01-2011 08:41PM

jakdelad wrote: »

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5. You are obliged to tell them anything they ask you.

really anything they ask you
like tell us anything we ask??/ or else wow what a concept

how about the question asking women how many children they had born alive?????
and suppose some poor woman whos just had a stillbirth or miscarraige

does she have to answer ANYTHING they ask you moron

That is a pretty pertinant question. I hardly think that filling in a census form would be the most upsetting part of a stillbirth or miscarriage. It even appears on the 1911 cenus forms. That's valuable data for social and historical research.

Should we not ask people to tick widower too? Is that not upsetting?

Grudaire · 20-01-2011 08:48PM

jakdelad wrote: »

your point????

My point is that you're making no sense :pac:

The point of the census is to provide statistics that are quite necessary for the running of the country. I think you'll find the concept isn't that strange, or that cynical

jakdelad · 21-01-2011 11:33PM

we the census helps the govt plan our needs for the future

like ghost estates and thousands of empty houses???
people lying on hospital trollys because of the lack of space and much needed hospitals??
like building a national childrens hospital in the middle of a city??
oh right that sort of planning
silly me

MadsL · 22-01-2011 12:21AM

jakdelad wrote: »

we the census helps the govt plan our needs for the future

like ghost estates and thousands of empty houses???
people lying on hospital trollys because of the lack of space and much needed hospitals??
like building a national childrens hospital in the middle of a city??
oh right that sort of planning
silly me

that sort of planning

It's also made public so that citizens can examine the trend and question bad planning decisions. Or should groups who lobby and encourage better strategic planning and use of natural resources, transport, health infrastructure etc. just stick a wet finger in the air or trust what politicians and civil servants tell them?

That's the point of the census.

Why not take a look at the statistics the CSO provides?

http://www.cso.ie/census/Census2006Results.htm

(on a personal bug-bear I see the number of non-nationals counted in the 2006 census was.........0!! Quite a few other nationalities though)

Son Of A Vidic · 22-01-2011 02:31AM

MadsL wrote: »

Or should groups who lobby and encourage better strategic planning and use of natural resources, transport, health infrastructure etc. just stick a wet finger in the air or trust what politicians and civil servants tell them?

Well they've obviously been sticking their fingers in the air then. Because this country has not exploited its natural resources. Our transportation system is a disgrace. As a person who worked for many years within our health infrastructure, I can assure you it is undoubtedly substandard. So what has all this idle information been used for then?

jakdelad · 22-01-2011 04:27PM

MadsL wrote: »

It's also made public so that citizens can examine the trend and question bad planning decisions. Or should groups who lobby and encourage better strategic planning and use of natural resources, transport, health infrastructure etc. just stick a wet finger in the air or trust what politicians and civil servants tell them?

That's the point of the census.

Why not take a look at the statistics the CSO provides?

http://www.cso.ie/census/Census2006Results.htm

(on a personal bug-bear I see the number of non-nationals counted in the 2006 census was.........0!! Quite a few other nationalities though)

madsl is right
we have been filling census forms for a long time now
and basically nothings changed
non nationals, the homeless, and travellers.
are not counted therefore the census is flawed and invalidated
your religion should not be answered. the govt dont do churches
how many children born alive should not be answered
how many rooms in your house?? none of their business
how many computers you own??? handy info for dell
and can anyone really believe all that juciy valuable information is kept secret, yawn.......#
all it takes is one CD.
dont be fooled
the americans used the census info to roundup american japanese citizens and throw them in a pow in the 40s ,,not that they had commited any crime solely the fact they were or their fathers or mothers were born in japan
a head count for the country no problem
the rest is private
when you go for a job anywhere in the world they cannot ask you what your religion is??
we elect TDS to inform govt of where we need new roads hospitals etc
anyone see where they are going to build the national childrens hospital
in the middle of a city?/ theres well used census information
wake up ireland wake up

dixiefly · 23-01-2011 03:44PM

Just because the Government have failed miserably to use the data available to it in the past is no reason to dump a fundamental tool in understanding our demographics like the Census. This government in general has failed to take note of any information that did not go along with the various petty endeavours.

The Census is a valuable function and is used widely by a variety of research organisations, university etc on top of Government departments. I dont know how much of the data is used by various departments but I suspect that Government Departments in general dont use data in a proactive way like our top private sector organisations would. Perhaps, the whole Transforming Public Service initiatives that is being promised by the new government will include a lot more data and fact based decision making across various departments, local authorities etc.

Regarding the cost of the Census, besides printing etc I would suspect that a large part of the cost is the people taken on on a contract basis to work on it. This is probably a very welcome bit of nwork for many of these people considering the economy at the moment.

MadsL · 28-01-2011 06:33PM

madsl is right
we have been filling census forms for a long time now
and basically nothings changed
non nationals, the homeless, and travellers.
are not counted therefore the census is flawed and invalidated

I am right, but not in the way you mean. The point I was making is that the census doesn't count non-nationals it counts foreign-nationals. As a ‘non-national’ myself I hate this tem; I have a nationality, just not your nationality.

your religion should not be answered. the govt dont do churches

Except that this information is helpful for example to understand what provisions need to made in say hospitals or schools for those of other faiths. It also is a snapshot of how a country’s faith changes over time.

how many children born alive should not be answered

Why?

how many rooms in your house?? none of their business

Gives information on population density/sq footage usage. An important planning tool.

how many computers you own??? handy info for dell

Gives information on technology demands so they can be planned for national infrastructure.

and can anyone really believe all that juciy valuable information is kept secret, yawn.......#

It isn’t kept secret, it is aggregated and published. What do you want do with it??

all it takes is one CD.
dont be fooled

Are you wearing a tin-foil hat??

the americans used the census info to roundup american japanese citizens and throw them in a pow in the 40s ,,not that they had commited any crime solely the fact they were or their fathers or mothers were born in japan

So what. That was 70 years ago, are you saying that the Irish State will round up, what...travellers??

when you go for a job anywhere in the world they cannot ask you what your religion is??

Have you ever applied for a job in NI?

we elect TDS to inform govt of where we need new roads hospitals etc

No, especially we seem to elect TDs to make sure the hospital is build in the parish, nevermind where it is actually needed.

anyone see where they are going to build the national childrens hospital
in the middle of a city?

Should it be built in a townland??

theres well used census information
wake up ireland wake up

I think you need to wake up.

MadsL · 28-01-2011 06:39PM

Well they've obviously been sticking their fingers in the air then. Because this country has not exploited its natural resources. Our transportation system is a disgrace. As a person who worked for many years within our health infrastructure, I can assure you it is undoubtedly substandard. So what has all this idle information been used for then?

Thanks. I'll tell all the groups* (who have been pointing out issues such as bad planning, potential property market collapse, over-building on flood plains, one-off housing, lack of joined-up thinking in transport policy, unsustainable forestry, unsustainable use of peat, ecological destrution etc) that in fact it is their fault!

Are you for real?

*if you want a list the Irish Environmental Network is good place to start. www.ien.ie

jakdelad · 31-01-2011 10:29PM

MadsL wrote: »

I am right, but not in the way you mean. The point I was making is that the census doesn't count non-nationals it counts foreign-nationals. As a ‘non-national’ myself I hate this tem; I have a nationality, just not your nationality.

Except that this information is helpful for example to understand what provisions need to made in say hospitals or schools for those of other faiths. It also is a snapshot of how a country’s faith changes over time.

Why?

Gives information on population density/sq footage usage. An important planning tool.
see below

Gives information on technology demands so they can be planned for national infrastructure.
oh that national infrastructre
like thousands of ghost estates thousands of houses
****ty roads trolly hospitals etc etc

It isn’t kept secret, it is aggregated and published. What do you want do with it??
really?
Are you wearing a tin-foil hat?
your point?

So what. That was 70 years ago, are you saying that the Irish State will round up, what...travellers??

ya they told the jews bring your luggage its a holiday

Have you ever applied for a job in NI?

No, especially we seem to elect TDs to make sure the hospital is build in the parish, nevermind where it is actually needed.

Should it be built in a townland??
no west of the city would seem a lot more sensible
than the middle of a city. maybe i am wrong

I think you need to wake up.

i will,, and you stop voting fianna fail

kerash · 31-01-2011 10:49PM

jakdelad wrote: »

madsl is right
we have been filling census forms for a long time now
and basically nothings changed

Thanks to the census we can see exactly what HAS changed!

how many children born alive should not be answered

Why?

how many rooms in your house?? none of their business

surely it's important to see how our society are living?

how many computers you own??? handy info for dell

ah come on! Dell or any company can easily find this info out by doing their own market research!

and can anyone really believe all that juciy valuable information is kept secret, yawn.......#
all it takes is one CD.
dont be fooled

It's LAW! it has to be kept confidential

the americans used the census info to roundup american japanese citizens and throw them in a pow in the 40s ,,not that they had commited any crime solely the fact they were or their fathers or mothers were born in japan

This is not America in the 40's, you're going to extremes to prove a point and it's verging on ridiculous! [/QUOTE]

thebostoncrab · 01-02-2011 11:33AM

As someone who works on the Census, I can tell you that we are under very tight rules when it comes to information that is gathered. The price we could pay if we gave anyone your information is massve and not worth it.

Your privacy is also protected by law and you can use the freedom of information act to your advantage if you still have any worries.

MadsL · 01-02-2011 03:42PM

you stop voting fianna fail

@jakdelad

I have never voted Fianna FAIL in my life - withdraw that.

jakdelad · 01-02-2011 08:55PM

thebostoncrab wrote: »

As someone who works on the Census, I can tell you that we are under very tight rules when it comes to information that is gathered. The price we could pay if we gave anyone your information is massve and not worth it.

Your privacy is also protected by law and you can use the freedom of information act to your advantage if you still have any worries.

thats what the revenue boys thought as well
so they chained their laptops to the desks
guess what ten were stolen
but all the information is encrypted [yawn]
you can get a free online decrypter for any ten day trial...
why is just a headcount just not enough
what is it that they want to know personal and private information
about irish citizens
latest new question hows your health??/ jesus
how far will they go???
your health, religion, how many cars you have etc, is none of their dam business
tell them nothing

they are worst then hoovers FBI
let them take you to court
ask them to show you exactly where in the consitition it says
you must dilvulge personal and private information about yourself

bernard bluff · 10-02-2011 01:02AM

jakdelad wrote: »

madsl is right
we have been filling census forms for a long time now
and basically nothings changed
non nationals, the homeless, and travellers.
are not counted therefore the census is flawed and invalidated
your religion should not be answered. the govt dont do churches
how many children born alive should not be answered
how many rooms in your house?? none of their business
how many computers you own??? handy info for dell
and can anyone really believe all that juciy valuable information is kept secret, yawn.......#
all it takes is one CD.
dont be fooled
the americans used the census info to roundup american japanese citizens and throw them in a pow in the 40s ,,not that they had commited any crime solely the fact they were or their fathers or mothers were born in japan
a head count for the country no problem
the rest is private
when you go for a job anywhere in the world they cannot ask you what your religion is??
we elect TDS to inform govt of where we need new roads hospitals etc
anyone see where they are going to build the national childrens hospital
in the middle of a city?/ theres well used census information
wake up ireland wake up

that's a whole lot of negative nonsense

bernard bluff · 10-02-2011 01:03AM

wat a load of nonsense

Boskowski · 10-02-2011 01:32AM

Is the census actually anonymous? Or is your information stored with full name and address?

Ostrom · 10-02-2011 05:41PM

jakdelad wrote: »

can anyone really believe all that juciy valuable information is kept secret, yawn.......#
all it takes is one CD.
dont be fooled

The CSO makes available only a 5% anonymised random sample for public reserch bodies, the terms of which are outlined in section 34 of the statistics act

The exception (the first of its kind as far as I know) this year was when the CSO allowed two ESRI researchers to access anonymised information regarding cohabiting same-sex couples.

fricatus · 10-02-2011 11:55PM

nuac wrote: »

Because census is taken on a Sunday night it is skewed in favour of the larger centres of population.

At the end of each weekend usually on Sunday evening thousands of young people leave each rural county to return to work or thirdlevel education in larger centres.

This results in lower populations been shown in smaller communities and inflated numbers in larger centres. Some of those in larger centres are aware of this. For at least one census UCG set exams on the following Monday morning.

A census to give true result should be held on a Saturday night.

That's an idiotic notion. Sunday night is the best night for catching people at home, i.e. where they actually live, and not just visit.

If someone is down in Roscommon or Cavan at the weekend and back in Dublin or Limerick on Sunday night for work, then the services that they need during the productive part of the week (schools, creches, hospitals etc.) also need to be in the city, where they live. It's no use counting all these people as residents of the rural area and providing facilities somewhere where they don't actually live, while at the same time underdelivering services in the cities. Get real!

Bam Bam · 14-02-2011 02:55AM

Boskowski wrote: »

Is the census actually anonymous? Or is your information stored with full name and address?

Why not ring the CSO and ask them or send them an email?

14-02-2011 04:07PM

Boskowski wrote: »

Is the census actually anonymous? Or is your information stored with full name and address?

All your details are stored and will be released in 99 years.
The full 1901 and 1911 censuses are available online - have a look around for your grandparents or great-grand-parents.
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/
The information that is is released for researchers is anonymous.

nuac · 14-02-2011 05:15PM

Fricatus, respectfully suggest that my suggestion of a Saturday night census is not idiotic.

Granted you have apoint about htose permanently employed away from their home place, but many thousands of students leave rural areas each Sunday evening to go back to third level education in Galway, Dublin etc etc. They may only do this for three or four years. On graduation they move elsewhere or find employment near their home. In either case they should not imho be counted as residents of a city where there may spend paert of about thirth weekds over three or four years.

Oasis_Dublin · 14-02-2011 10:36PM

nuac wrote: »

Fricatus, respectfully suggest that my suggestion of a Saturday night census is not idiotic.

Granted you have apoint about htose permanently employed away from their home place, but many thousands of students leave rural areas each Sunday evening to go back to third level education in Galway, Dublin etc etc. They may only do this for three or four years. On graduation they move elsewhere or find employment near their home. In either case they should not imho be counted as residents of a city where there may spend paert of about thirth weekds over three or four years.

They move to cities and get jobs, they don't return home.

Bam Bam · 14-02-2011 10:41PM

nuac wrote: »

Fricatus, respectfully suggest that my suggestion of a Saturday night census is not idiotic.

Granted you have apoint about htose permanently employed away from their home place, but many thousands of students leave rural areas each Sunday evening to go back to third level education in Galway, Dublin etc etc. They may only do this for three or four years. On graduation they move elsewhere or find employment near their home. In either case they should not imho be counted as residents of a city where there may spend paert of about thirth weekds over three or four years.

You're wrong here.

Being able to track the locations that students live to study now is more important than ballygobackward having a few more young uns in it to bulk up the numbers.

It allows for the provision of services to that area be it increased bus routes, local amenities and other businesses.

sceptre · 15-02-2011 01:57PM

nuac wrote: »

Fricatus, respectfully suggest that my suggestion of a Saturday night census is not idiotic.

Granted you have apoint about htose permanently employed away from their home place, but many thousands of students leave rural areas each Sunday evening to go back to third level education in Galway, Dublin etc etc. They may only do this for three or four years. On graduation they move elsewhere or find employment near their home. In either case they should not imho be counted as residents of a city where there may spend paert of about thirth weekds over three or four years.

If they're spending five days/nights a week in a city (or anywhere else), that's where they currently effectively live. Spending two nights a week at their parents' house doesn't constitute living there in any sense except a visit "home" and love for a warm fire at the weekend.

Census 2011

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