Census 2011

mel.b

I think citzenship and nationality are being used as synonyms when they shouldn't. they are different things. Citzenship is something you obtain legally, through birth or an application process. I have a friend whose baby was born with no citzenship. They were living in ireland at the time, however he was not entitled to citzenship in ireland. However because he was not born in his parents country he was not automatically entitled to citzenship of that country either and they had to apply. Nationality however i believe is implied and infered from your parents and / or place of birth. So in the Tom Hanks movie he lost his citzenship as his country long longer exisited, but not his nationality. What happened to people from the former USSR? Do they say their nationality is russian or lativan (for example)? As a friend at work said today, if you were orn on earth, you must have some form of nationality!

halkar

I will not be in the country on the census day. Is that mean that I will be excluded from the census? My OH and son will be here though.

jakdelad

question 13
how many children have you given birth to
[this question is for women only]


this will give you a glimpse of the calibre of people working in the CSO

Elirlandes

Elirlandes wrote: »

So here is the rub -
"Question 6: What is your place of birth?
Give the place where your mother lived at the time of your birth."
Well, we used to live in London. My children were born in a hospital in Spain because their mother wanted to be close to her family while they were being born, but at the time she lived in London.
According to the first line "What is your place of birth?" the answer is "Spain".
According to the second - "Give the place where your mother lived at the time of your birth." the answer is "London".

So what answer to give? (I'm assuming it is more important to note where the child actually saw light of day, rather than the place we had keys for an appartment in...)
Suggestions welcome...

laughter189 wrote: »

I suggest you answer living in London and child born in Spain .

If a woman gives birth while on holidays in The Bahamas , then of course the childs place of birth is the Bahamas.

So I sent an email to the CSO and this is their response...

Central Statistics Office wrote:

The question should be answered with the place where the mother of the child lived at the time of the birth.

The reason the question is phrased this way is to avoid skewing birth statistics in places which have large maternity hospitals. For example, a significant proportion of births in the north east of Ireland take place in Drogheda Hospital. If the Census recorded all these births as occurring in County Louth, the post-Census statistics would show a jump in the number of births in Louth and a fall off in births in neighbouring counties.

With regards

Census Field Management

Bizarrely, if a mother lives in Ballydehob and goes into labour when on holidays in the Bahamas, the child is still expected to be recorded as "born in" Ballydehob on the form.

In 100 years time when my grandchildren read the form, they will be left scratching their heads as they will have know their parents were born in one country, and will see that I will have filled in another...

O'Doodle

Need some advice please because the official census site is useless.

I'm not an Irish citizen and I only live in Ireland, 4 nights a week in a rented apartment. I will be in the UK on the census night but returning to Ireland on the Monday. Do I have to fill out this form? Is there a fine if I do not fill it out.. Will I be taken to court?

I've had two notes slipped under my door informing me I have to contact this mobile number to arrange a visit. I don't understand what this is about. Can I simply ignore it or will I be hit with a fine or a court hearing?

Whoever called at my apartment didn't even bother to knock the door and simply slipped the note under the door.

In the UK, forms were posted out to people and you could fill out online which saved alot of hassle. I don't see why I have arrange a visit with someone.

Anyway my question is do I have to fill out the form if I will not be in Ireland on Census night? How will I prove I'm not in the country. I have a return plane ticket on the Monday morning which might be proof when the collecter comes around knocking my door for the forms.

Can I just ignore it?

JBnaglfar

halkar wrote: »

I will not be in the country on the census day. Is that mean that I will be excluded from the census? My OH and son will be here though.

O'Doodle wrote: »

Need some advice please because the official census site is useless.

I'm not an Irish citizen and I only live in Ireland, 4 nights a week in a rented apartment. I will be in the UK on the census night but returning to Ireland on the Monday. Do I have to fill out this form? Is there a fine if I do not fill it out.. Will I be taken to court?

Not an expert or anything, but I would think that the section at the end of the form 'Absent Persons who usually live in this household' might cover these situations. Have you tried sending an email to the CSO? They really should have an FAQ section on the website but I can't find one.

seamus

O'Doodle wrote: »

Anyway my question is do I have to fill out the form if I will not be in Ireland on Census night? How will I prove I'm not in the country. I have a return plane ticket on the Monday morning which might be proof when the collecter comes around knocking my door for the forms.

Can I just ignore it?

As said, there is a section on the form for persons absent on the night, but who ordinarily reside in the household. This section you have to fill out.

You don't need proof to show the enumerator that you weren't here, simply fill out this section.

O'Doodle

O'Doodle wrote: »

I'm not an Irish citizen and I only live in Ireland, 4 nights a week in a rented apartment. I will be in the UK on the census night but returning to Ireland on the Monday.

And the UK census is on Sunday 27th of March - you might be counted in both.

Euroland

mel.b wrote: »

I think citzenship and nationality are being used as synonyms when they shouldn't. they are different things. Citzenship is something you obtain legally, through birth or an application process. I have a friend whose baby was born with no citzenship. They were living in ireland at the time, however he was not entitled to citzenship in ireland. However because he was not born in his parents country he was not automatically entitled to citzenship of that country either and they had to apply. Nationality however i believe is implied and infered from your parents and / or place of birth. So in the Tom Hanks movie he lost his citzenship as his country long longer exisited, but not his nationality. What happened to people from the former USSR? Do they say their nationality is russian or lativan (for example)? As a friend at work said today, if you were orn on earth, you must have some form of nationality!

Nationality derives from someone’s citizenship. Apparently you confuse nationality with ethnicity.

baalthor

jakdelad wrote: »

question 13
how many children have you given birth to
[this question is for women only]


this will give you a glimpse of the calibre of people working in the CSO

It's more to do with the 'calibre' of some of the people filling out the form.

jakdelad

baalthor wrote: »

It's more to do with the 'calibre' of some of the people filling out the form.

if thats the case the cso has nothing but contempt for the general public
and it is insulting
myself and several others will be burning our census forms
as we have done in the past
mind you when they are using a company that supplys
personnell to the americian army to torture people in iraq
i am not surprised

baalthor

jakdelad wrote: »

if thats the case the cso has nothing but contempt for the general public
and it is insulting
myself and several others will be burning our census forms
as we have done in the past
mind you when they are using a company that supplys
personnell to the americian army to torture people in iraq
i am not surprised

Not really, for various reasons (carelessness, misinterpretation, literacy/language issues) some men might answer the question.
To reduce the chances of this happening they put in the warning even if it seems silly to some people.

hotmama

jakdelad wrote: »

if thats the case the cso has nothing but contempt for the general public
and it is insulting
myself and several others will be burning our census forms
as we have done in the past
mind you when they are using a company that supplys
personnell to the americian army to torture people in iraq
i am not surprised

Would hate to be ur enumerator:(

U might remember when u do meet him/her that they are only doing their job n alot of enumerators are unemployed people who needed the job even if it was only for a short contract

ednwireland

honestly why dont they just post the forms send it to me i'll post it back prob (even better give me a website to fill in )
the whole process is so archaic, havent even got a from yet CSO prob doesnt realise donegal is in the republic. (honestly having filled in some of the CSO forms for small businesses i dont have a lot of time for their methods)

jakdelad

hotmama wrote: »

Would hate to be ur enumerator:(

U might remember when u do meet him/her that they are only doing their job n alot of enumerators are unemployed people who needed the job even if it was only for a short contract

funny my enumerator drives a merc and is not unemployed
he wont have to worry i wont be answering the door
cctv
if i need to see a dentist or solicitor etc i must make an appointment
i take great exception these census people think they can just barge into your home at any evening or weekend
they wont be counting the toilets in my house
[they are only doing their job[ the nuremburg defence

hotmama

Gosh who exactly do u think u are??? Make an appointment 'nuremberg' u really r stretching... As for what s/he is driving, surely u have to know in this day n age that doesn't matter anymore n if that is how u judge people that says alot about u..

jakdelad

hotmama wrote: »

Gosh who exactly do u think u are??? Make an appointment 'nuremberg' u really r stretching... As for what s/he is driving, surely u have to know in this day n age that doesn't matter anymore n if that is how u judge people that says alot about u..

who do i think i am??
i am a tax paying citizen who wants his privacy respected
and not to be harrassed by some bozo who for a few bob
is going around collecting useless data for an overpaid
quango namely the CSO
who at this moment are employing a company CACI who
supplied interrorgation teams to the american army in iraq
http://www.alternet.org/world/44506/

hotmama

jakdelad wrote: »

who do i think i am??
i am a tax paying citizen who wants his privacy respected
and not to be harrassed by some bozo who for a few bob
is going around collecting useless data for an overpaid
quango namely the CSO
who at this moment are employing a company CACI who
supplied interrorgation teams to the american army in iraq
http://www.alternet.org/world/44506/

'Bozo' u don't even know this man! I hope others treat u with the same respect as u treat others

jakdelad

hotmama wrote: »

'Bozo' u don't even know this man! I hope others treat u with the same respect as u treat others

whatever

Elirlandes

jakdelad wrote: »

who do i think i am??
i am a tax paying citizen who wants his privacy respected

You would be better advised to insist on having your taxes respected.

Pretty much all of us complain that our tax euros are not optimally spent. Well, a good way to better this is to ensure that the government (our government, which represents you as well as it represents me and all the others in the state) provide the services we require of it when and where they are needed.

The first step towards doing this is to have the information to hand on which decisions can be made for all our benefit (yours included). Why would you purposefully attempt to foil the government in its efforts to spend your money better?

jakdelad

Elirlandes wrote: »

You would be better advised to insist on having your taxes respected.

Pretty much all of us complain that our tax euros are not optimally spent. Well, a good way to better this is to ensure that the government (our government, which represents you as well as it represents me and all the others in the state) provide the services we require of it when and where they are needed.

The first step towards doing this is to have the information to hand on which decisions can be made for all our benefit (yours included). Why would you purposefully attempt to foil the government in its efforts to spend your money better?

are you serious??? foil the govt in its efforts to spend your money better??? ha ha ha jesus you have a great sense of humor
your a howl
like the housing decisions??? they made???
great planning money well spent
are they really that dumb that they have to depend on a census
to show them where to spend money???
they have been spending billions without a care for decades dont think the census data made much difference to them.
we have 166 of these guys just elected
i dont think the census means a whole lot to themm
its just a quango we dont need
ha ha ha god your funny foil the govt ha ha

Velvet shank

O'Doodle wrote: »

Need some advice please because the official census site is useless.

I'm not an Irish citizen and I only live in Ireland, 4 nights a week in a rented apartment. I will be in the UK on the census night but returning to Ireland on the Monday. Do I have to fill out this form? Is there a fine if I do not fill it out.. Will I be taken to court?

I've had two notes slipped under my door informing me I have to contact this mobile number to arrange a visit. I don't understand what this is about. Can I simply ignore it or will I be hit with a fine or a court hearing?

Whoever called at my apartment didn't even bother to knock the door and simply slipped the note under the door.

In the UK, forms were posted out to people and you could fill out online which saved alot of hassle. I don't see why I have arrange a visit with someone.

Anyway my question is do I have to fill out the form if I will not be in Ireland on Census night? How will I prove I'm not in the country. I have a return plane ticket on the Monday morning which might be proof when the collecter comes around knocking my door for the forms.

Can I just ignore it?

if you live alone at your apartment here, you don't need to take delivery of a census form. This is the case for dwellings at which ALL of the household will be absent on census night. In this case, your enumerator should issue you with a 'Form E', which simply requires you to state the address at which you will spend census night. They could, in theory, ask you to provide evidence of this, so keep the plane ticket. If there are other people living with you, who will be present in your apartment on census night, then your household should be issued with a regular household form, on which you should be entered as an 'absent person'.

Cookie_Monster

In the case of apartments with a single front door, how are the census people supposed to gain entry to the block?

Or gated communities that like their privacy?

Do they have any form of legal right to be allowed in or is it just a case of buzzing numbers until you find someone nice enough to let you in?

Just curious...

Alun

Cookie_Monster wrote: »

In the case of apartments with a single front door, how are the census people supposed to gain entry to the block?

Or gated communities that like their privacy?

Do they have any form of legal right to be allowed in or is it just a case of buzzing numbers until you find someone nice enough to let you in?

Just curious...

From what I can gather the local census field supervisors get in touch with the various landlords, management companies or whatever in advance and organize codes for the census enumerators to gain entry. There's a big thread over in Work and Jobs where some of the census enumerators are taking about their experiences where it's been mentioned.

http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2056206652

nacho66

How is the problem of not being at home but, for example, thousand miles away from Ireland solved? I mean what's the official rule about that?

Harps

Quick question, I've not had my form collected yet and I'm going home for 2 weeks tomorrow (college student) so what exactly do I do with my census form? Will someone keep visiting the house until its collected or do I have to hand it in somewhere myself?

hotmama

call 1890201111 and they will call ur enumerator who should call today, make sure u leave ur phone no with cso so enum can contact u

bernard bluff

has any1 got paid yet

No6

No!!:mad:

Batsy

Cookie_Monster wrote: »

Its an EU requirement these days isn't it?

If it is then Britain doesn't seem to care.

From July 2010:

Francis Maude, the Cabinet Office minister, said the Census, which takes place every 10 years, was an expensive and inaccurate way of measuring the number of people in Britain.

Instead, the Government is examining different and cheaper ways to count the population more regularly, using existing public and private databases, including credit reference agencies.

It will represent a historic shift in the way that information about the nation’s population, religion and social habits is gathered.

The suggestion is likely to be approved by Cabinet next week. It will be too late to prevent the next Census on March 27, 2011 from going ahead, although Mr Maude said he was looking at ways of reducing the £482million cost.

Britain has carried out a Census every decade since 1801, with the exception of 1941 during the Second World War.

It is the only time that everybody in the country is counted, and is used by the Government to determine spending priorities and track population movements.

Academics, charities and religious organisations all rely on information gathered in the Census as it asks wide-ranging questions relating to people’s households, nationality, faith and marital status.

The information is also a significant source of research for future generations. The online publication last year of the 1911 Census proved hugely popular, with three million people accessing the database within its first few months.

Mr Maude, who has responsibility for the Census, told The Daily Telegraph that the Government was looking for a “fundamentally” better way of doing it. “There are, I believe, ways of doing this which will provide better, quicker information, more frequently and cheaper,” he said.

Maude said Britain needed a new way to keep track of the population because the Census was often inaccurate and out of date. About 1.5million households failed to fill in their forms in 2001.

http://irdial.com/blogdial/?p=2701

The 2001 census counted 58,789,194 people in the UK.

The 2011 census is expected to count over 62,000,000 people.