anyone here going to vote sinn féin?

fisgon · 13-02-2011 11:35PM

wee truck big driver wrote: »

you may not care, but hey "newsflash" the world does not revolve around you and what you want

Absolutely correct, it doesn't. Unfortunately for you, and for SF, I'm not alone in being utterly indifferent to ending partition. In fact I'm in an enormous majority in this country, made obvious by the fact that no party other than SF ever even mentions a united Ireland.

caseyann · 13-02-2011 11:43PM

fisgon wrote: »

Absolutely correct, it doesn't. Unfortunately for you, and for SF, I'm not alone in being utterly indifferent to ending partition. In fact I'm in an enormous majority in this country, made obvious by the fact that no party other than SF ever even mentions a united Ireland.

At the same time, Mark Durkan, leader of the Social Democratic and Labour Party (SDLP), which operates solely in the North but supports a united Ireland, spoke of his party’s “affinity” with Fianna Fail. His remarks have raised the possibility of either a pact between the two parties, or a merger to create a new all-Ireland bourgeois party. Currently the only all-Ireland party is Gerry Adams’s republican Sinn Fein.

http://ireland.corrupt.org/entry/107/United_Ireland_by_2016_not_as_

It is always in the pipeline even if you cant see it.They didnt make known the banking crisis till forced.

There is significant support in Great Britain for Ireland to reunify as a political entity. An ICM poll conduced by The Guardian in 2001 revealed that only 26% of Britons supported Northern Ireland remaining a part of the UK, while 41% supported a united Ireland.[6] The British Social Attitudes Survey in 2007 found 32.25% supported Northern Ireland remaining part of the UK, and 40.16% supported Irish re-unification.[7] The poll has been run 19 times between 1983 and 2007, with each result being in favour of Irish unity. The highest support came in 1994 with 59.36% of the respondents supporting Irish Unity, while 24.09% supported Northern Ireland remaining in the UK.

A 2006 Sunday Business Post survey reported that almost 80% of voters in the Republic favour a united Ireland: 22% believe that "achieving a united Ireland should be the first priority of the government" while 55% say they "would like to see a united Ireland, but not as the first priority of government." Of the remainder 10% said no efforts should be made to bring about a united Ireland and 13% had no opinion.[5] This poll was markedly up from one year earlier when a Sunday Independent article[32] reported that 55% would support a united Ireland, while the remainder said such an ambition held no interest.

The second-largest party, Fine Gael a descendent of the pro-Anglo-Irish Treaty section of Sinn Féin upon the partition of Ireland, has also supported reunification as one of the its key aims since its foundation. It supports the Belfast Agreement and had previously negotiated the Anglo-Irish agreement.
The Labour Party, likewise, has also supported reunification since the foundation of the state, although it has always considered this aim secondary to social causes. It also fully supports the Belfast Agreement, and supported the Anglo-Irish agreement. The former President of Ireland, Mary Robinson, resigned from the Irish Labour Party because she objected to the exclusion of unionists from the talks that led to the 1985 agreement.

wee truck big driver · 13-02-2011 11:53PM

fisgon wrote: »

Absolutely correct, it doesn't. Unfortunately for you, and for SF, I'm not alone in being utterly indifferent to ending partition. In fact I'm in an enormous majority in this country, made obvious by the fact that no party other than SF ever even mentions a united Ireland.

fianna fail claim to be the rebulican party. fine gaels theme song is a nation once again and labour usde to be the official ira just because its not the only thing they talk about every party in the republic of ireland claims to support a united ireland although sinn fein are the only ones to do anything about it

SafeSurfer · 14-02-2011 12:17AM

wee truck big driver wrote: »

,sinn fein with a young southern leadership like doherty, you having a laugh hes from donegal the most northerly county in ireland

The current Sinn Fein leader is from Belfast which is more northerly than Doherty's base in south Donegal. So whats your point?

takun · 14-02-2011 12:43AM

wee truck big driver wrote: »

every party in the republic of ireland claims to support a united ireland

Given our current predicament the worst thing that could possibly happen would be a united Ireland (not that it's on the cards in the foreseeable future anyway). Northern Ireland is a giant money sink into which the UK taxpayer pours money annually (£5,300 per capita), not exactly willingly but in the hope that it will keep a lid on the place and prevent it's problems spilling over onto them again.

There is no way in hell we could afford the north.

PauloMN · 14-02-2011 12:53AM

Mario Daniel wrote: »

A lot of the threads are anti-Sinn Féin and started by people who either are wondering whether they are alone in considering voting SF for the first time OR by people who can't contemplate SF gaining more seats and therefore try to bring back SF's past to scare voters.

That's gas. The Shinners on here keep telling everyone to "move on", "forget the past" etc., yet they are the very ones bleating on about the 1916 heroes. So should we forget the past, or just the nasty bits that really aren't very savory?

I didn't live through 1916. I did however live through the time when the IRA were at their worst, blowing civilians and others up on this island and in the UK. Given that the Shinners still sell 'RA wares on their website, I guess that's something they are still proud of.

Time for SF to completely ditch the IRA links or else they won't move forward. I don't think they're going to do that well anyway to be honest thankfully.

Capt'n Midnight · 14-02-2011 01:32AM

wee truck big driver wrote: »

and labour usde to be the official ira

LOL

I think you are referring to the party that split off from SF back in the 1970 and was known as "Sinn Féin The Workers Party"

There was a later split in 1992 to form Democratic Left and later again in 1999 DL merged with Labour whose history was from the trade unions not the original Sinn Féin.

(also it gives a idea of how long it took that SF party to move into mainstream politics, and they had left before the worst of the troubles and were anti-IRA most of that time)

KELTICKNIGHTT · 14-02-2011 01:38AM

fisgon wrote: »

Seriously? If we want to know why SF is making no impact in the polls, just read some of the posts by their supporters.

like here:D

sharkie66 · 14-02-2011 08:27AM

KELTICKNIGHTT wrote: »

like here:D

Sinn Fein to make huge gains in the election! Can't wait to see and hear the nice soft voices giving the neo liberal thieving FG a really hard time of it in the next Dail.

The people of Ireland may be fooled by the EU/IMF subservient FG this time but mark my words FG will meet the same end as the other thieves i.e. FF.
It's just a matter of times.

Bring it on!

KELTICKNIGHTT · 14-02-2011 08:28AM

sharkie66 wrote: »

Sinn Fein to make huge gains in the election! Can't wait to see and hear the nice soft voices giving the neo liberal thieving FG a really hard time of it in the next Dail.

The people of Ireland may be fooled by the EU/IMF subservient FG this time but mark my words FG will meet the same end as the other thieves i.e. FF.
It's just a matter of times.

Bring it on!

sure:D

dabestman1 · 14-02-2011 08:30AM

sharkie66 wrote: »

Sinn Fein to make huge gains in the election! Can't wait to see and hear the nice soft voices giving the neo liberal thieving FG a really hard time of it in the next Dail.

The people of Ireland may be fooled by the EU/IMF subservient FG this time but mark my words FG will meet the same end as the other thieves i.e. FF.
It's just a matter of times.

Bring it on!

Hope SF do well, 10 seats wud be brilliant IMO.

sharkie66 · 14-02-2011 08:31AM

KELTICKNIGHTT wrote: »

sure:D

Thanks Keltic,

I knew you'd come round to reason! Don't forget to give SF your number 1, 2 and 3.

Sure!:D

sharkie66 · 14-02-2011 08:35AM

dabestman1 wrote: »

Hope SF do well, 10 seats wud be brilliant IMO.

Could even be 12! But remember all SF need is 7 seats so it can give the FG/FF thieves a nice roasting in the Dail.

It'll be great!

KELTICKNIGHTT · 14-02-2011 08:49AM

sharkie66 wrote: »

Thanks Keltic,

I knew you'd come round to reason! Don't forget to give SF your number 1, 2 and 3.

Sure!:D

to be a sf supporter ,NEVER LAD,rather vote ff

funny thing doe,when a sf boyo came looking for a vote,i told him never in a million years, slammed door in his face,wasnt too happy :-)

KELTICKNIGHTT · 14-02-2011 08:49AM

sharkie66 wrote: »

Could even be 12! But remember all SF need is 7 seats so it can give the FG/FF thieves a nice roasting in the Dail.

It'll be great!

maybe 2seats if your luckt:D;)

Xclusiv Barber · 14-02-2011 01:44PM

KELTICKNIGHTT wrote: »

maybe 2seats if your luckt:D;)

i'm entirely neutral on this, i dont think it will be 12 sharkie66, but only gaining two, considering surely ferris adams doherty o conghaile are a shoo-in anyway would you not say kelticknight?

Xclusiv Barber · 14-02-2011 01:51PM

Consider this, FG, we know, are coming into power whether we like it or not ( personally, not). Labour see themselves as a strong right hand man. We know FF will quite rightly be out in the cold. So, Isn't it interesting and says a lot about how messed up our state and its politics is that micheál martin just handed eamonn gilmore an absolute hiding in debate?

Bottle_of_Smoke · 14-02-2011 02:03PM

caseyann wrote: »

At the same time, Mark Durkan, leader of the Social Democratic and Labour Party (SDLP), which operates solely in the North but supports a united Ireland, spoke of his party’s “affinity” with Fianna Fail. His remarks have raised the possibility of either a pact between the two parties, or a merger to create a new all-Ireland bourgeois party. Currently the only all-Ireland party is Gerry Adams’s republican Sinn Fein.

The Greens are all-Ireland too. In fact they only recently have a northern leader.

Also don't refer to "Gerry Adam's republican Sinn Fein" - could get confusing!

Slick50 · 14-02-2011 04:49PM

fisgon wrote:

Seriously? If we want to know why SF is making no impact in the polls, just read some of the posts by their supporters.

Has anyone bothered to tally the potential number of seats SF are heading for, (26) according to the Boards.ie GE poll. Or does this poll have no true reflection of what is going to happen come the election.

Wolfe Tone · 14-02-2011 05:09PM

Bottle_of_Smoke wrote: »

The Greens are all-Ireland too. In fact they only recently have a northern leader.

Also don't refer to "Gerry Adam's republican Sinn Fein" - could get confusing!

Sure is there not a "Real" Sinn Féin around the place too?

PauloMN · 14-02-2011 05:10PM

Slick50 wrote: »

Has anyone bothered to tally the potential number of seats SF are heading for, (26) according to the Boards.ie GE poll. Or does this poll have no true reflection of what is going to happen come the election.

I think all that it proves is that Boards.ie has a disproportional number of lefties.

Lefties.ie FTW.

Bottle_of_Smoke · 14-02-2011 05:23PM

Wolfe Tone wrote: »

Sure is there not a "Real" Sinn Féin around the place too?

I'm not sure. Heard some murmurings but starting to wonder if its just an in-joke on IR.net!

Wolfe Tone · 14-02-2011 05:25PM

Bottle_of_Smoke wrote: »

I'm not sure. Heard some murmurings but starting to wonder if its just an in-joke on IR.net!

Ha, I wouldnt be surprised!

newtadis · 14-02-2011 07:17PM

defo wont be voting for these ,

bergkamp10 · 14-02-2011 08:06PM

shtemcguire wrote: »

they have policies that want to help the poor and they are republican which is good

just thought i'd pop in and say hullo and remind all ye strayers off the point out there, what the point actually was mmm? isn't it?? :-)

Irish Fire · 14-02-2011 08:14PM

They will get a lot of sympathy votes from the people that are sick of the current Government, and let’s face it folks what party IS there that can run this country?

I’m sick to death of saying it but we need business people to run this country as a company and not in the present manner of a self gaining and self gratifying handy number…….

bergkamp10 · 14-02-2011 08:35PM

Could do what many european super states do, and bring in economists and entrepreneurs the likes of michael o leary, david mc williams etc, in the dail. Which would help. But this is ireland. So we wont.

mccoist · 14-02-2011 08:41PM

This election is supposed to be about change
Fine GAEL/L abour collaborate and form coalition
They will then enforce or push throught fianna fail policies dictated by recents events EU /IMF etc
The real battle is for third place
Have irish people got the realisation that a strong SINN FEIN will alter the dynamics of the way politics is conducte and run in this country
They will put country first and not the payday pensions and whatever else is on offer to which the other parties subscribe to, recent history as evidence
So make SINN FEIN the opposition, and watch the others do their work in earnest for us the electorate and people paying for these fine people who want to represent and speak for us.

Irish Fire · 14-02-2011 08:56PM

mccoist wrote: »

This election is supposed to be about change
Fine GAEL/L abour collaborate and form coalition
They will then enforce or push throught fianna fail policies dictated by recents events EU /IMF etc
The real battle is for third place
Have irish people got the realisation that a strong SINN FEIN will alter the dynamics of the way politics is conducte and run in this country
They will put country first and not the payday pensions and whatever else is on offer to which the other parties subscribe to, recent history as evidence
So make SINN FEIN the opposition, and watch the others do their work in earnest for us the electorate and people paying for these fine people who want to represent and speak for us.

Are ALL elections not about change?

SafeSurfer · 14-02-2011 09:27PM

mccoist wrote: »

This election is supposed to be about change
Fine GAEL/L abour collaborate and form coalition
They will then enforce or push throught fianna fail policies dictated by recents events EU /IMF etc
The real battle is for third place
Have irish people got the realisation that a strong SINN FEIN will alter the dynamics of the way politics is conducte and run in this country
They will put country first and not the payday pensions and whatever else is on offer to which the other parties subscribe to, recent history as evidence
So make SINN FEIN the opposition, and watch the others do their work in earnest for us the electorate and people paying for these fine people who want to represent and speak for us.

Well one thing is for certain, Sinn Fein will be in opposition in the next Dail because all the mainstream parties have said they wouldn't touch them with a bomb disposal robot.

In opposition they won't put the country first. They will oppose everything unpopular and be in favour of anything popular. They will put the electoral prospects of Sinn Fein first, instead of making hard decsions they will offer easy solutions.

A party with no prospect of power can promise anything because they will never be in a position to deliver.

anyone here going to vote sinn féin?

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