Could you be an executioner

Cybertron85 · 13-02-2011 11:08PM

As long as it doesn't involve too much paperwork.

small country like this, 5 mins work a day tops. Lovely.

Guy:Incognito · 13-02-2011 11:10PM

Are they advertising? I'll do it.

Junco Partner · 13-02-2011 11:10PM

if you hired me now and i had to do it straight away i probably could not but with training it probably wouldnt bother me. in the same way soldiers can kill after they have it hammered into them at training becomes routine

Topper Harley01 · 13-02-2011 11:14PM

I suppose if we really wanted to get creative, we could go for a Battle Royale type scenario on the Aran Islands. We could mine the beach so no-one could escape, then they are all given an assortment of medieval weapons and told fight to the death. Last man standing gets half off his sentence for community service hehe

And we could televise it while we're at it, it would be like WWF but not as crap. It's a win-win situation for everyone I tells ya......

Imagine: "This week, the McCarthy Dundons versus the Keane Collopys. The old firm rivalry!" We could even get Andy Gray to commentate.

ejmaztec · 13-02-2011 11:19PM

Topper Harley01 wrote: »

I suppose if we really wanted to get creative, we could go for a Battle Royale type scenario on the Aran Islands. We could mine the beach so no-one could escape, then they are all given an assortment of medieval weapons and told fight to the death. Last man standing gets half off his sentence for community service hehe

And we could televise it while we're at it, it would be like WWF but not as crap. It's a win-win situation for everyone I tells ya......

Imagine: "This week, the McCarthy Dundons versus the Keane Collopys. The old firm rivalry!" We could even get Andy Gray to commentate.

Will there be gangsters' molls that he can make sexist comments about before he gets the sack again?

mudokon · 13-02-2011 11:22PM

Wibbs wrote: »

Yep. I am a psycho Nazi though. It's quite a technical job though. hanging certainly is. Get it wrong and they could twitch at the end of the rope, or have their head come off(as a couple of the Iraqi bungled ones did).

I remember reading a book about a hangman and in it they said it takes about 30 seconds from the time the person being executed entered the death chamber till they were dead. They used to run drills so the person being executed wouldn't panic on the day.

pwd · 13-02-2011 11:31PM

mudokon wrote: »

I remember reading a book about a hangman and in it they said it takes about 30 seconds from the time the person being executed entered the death chamber till they were dead. They used to run drills so the person being executed wouldn't panic on the day.

so they'd pretend they were going to execute him, to see if he would panic, then say it's just a drill - well done on not panicking while we set about methodically extinguishing your life, you clearly are completely and utterly crushed if you are cooperating with us killing you, this is a true triumph for society over humanity.

PCPhoto · 13-02-2011 11:31PM

answer to the question .... YES ! - I believe I have the ability to be an executioner.

in terms of a gun to the head ... pulling the trigger ...its like squeezing a tube of toothpaste.

lethal injection... flicking a switch !!

Axe to the head/neck ... depending on where you hit - can be a clean snap or could require a couple of hacks.

stabbing to the chest .... fatal stabbing requires one action direct to the chest and lift upwards, slow painful death ....slice across the bottom of the chest - intestines.

leave a memorable scar by using a knife and twisting.

Waterfordlass · 13-02-2011 11:32PM

Absolutely and without a second thought..yes!

pwd · 13-02-2011 11:33PM

Too much ignorance. Going to leave it at 5k posts. Have fun dreaming about killing people while feeling self-righteous.

dresden8 · 13-02-2011 11:38PM

f0ggy92 wrote: »

if you hired me now and i had to do it straight away i probably could not but with training it probably wouldnt bother me. in the same way soldiers can kill after they have it hammered into them at training becomes routine

A lot of soldiers can do it on the day, they get severely fncked up afterwards though.

For all the macho talk of killing, it's quite difficult for a "normal" person to do.

I'd recommend a programme I saw, "The truth about Killing".

Very informative. Soldiers get hyped up that the killing they're doing is right, even normal people can be convinced of this in the right circumstances.

Then come the dreams........

One link, there are more

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=3512662527238873429&ei=kaUZS5lkgtjZAoDT_OsD&q=%22grub+smith%22#

Himmler's stomach, nuff said.

deepsouthtalla · 13-02-2011 11:39PM

No panic at all, and would look the person in the eye while i press the button,

BTW anybody pro death penalty (like me) should go to www.off2dr.com

Topper Harley01 · 13-02-2011 11:43PM

We should ask Manic Moran about this, he's probably killed a few bad guys in his time....it would be interesting to get his perspective on it.

mudokon · 13-02-2011 11:44PM

pwd wrote: »

so they'd pretend they were going to execute him, to see if he would panic, then say it's just a drill - well done on not panicking while we set about methodically extinguishing your life, you clearly are completely and utterly crushed if you are cooperating with us killing you, this is a true triumph for society over humanity.

Not quite like that, the person would know the day they were being executed. It was used to get them acquainted with the surroundings and what would happen on the day of execution. Once it got to the execution they the person was going to be hanged regardless of what happened. So if they panicked then I'd guess they would be dragged up to the gallows. By acquainting them with the procedure it would make it less stressful for all concerned. I'm not condoning hanging just saying what was in the book.

Your post makes it sound like they pulled a sick April fools day joke.

Capt'n Midnight · 13-02-2011 11:54PM

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Milgram_experiment

Most people when under close supervision will become executioners if asked to by a person in a position of authority.

Capt'n Midnight · 14-02-2011 12:03AM

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stanford_prison_experiment
Another disturbing experiment in how quickly normal people can change.

Wibbs · 14-02-2011 12:04AM

mudokon wrote: »

I remember reading a book about a hangman and in it they said it takes about 30 seconds from the time the person being executed entered the death chamber till they were dead. They used to run drills so the person being executed wouldn't panic on the day.

Try 7 seconds. That was the record and 10 to 15 seconds was the norm for the guys in the UK. They didn't do rehearsals either. Not with the condemned anyway.

pwd wrote: »

Too much ignorance. Going to leave it at 5k posts. Have fun dreaming about killing people while feeling self-righteous.

Yea well that's just the "Ive played Call of Duty so I know what it is to kill" mindset. I can pretty much guarantee the vast majority of the posters would baulk at the reality. A sub to somethingawful.whatever makes them think themselves more desensitised. Eh no. If they did kill someone I reckon it would be lets drink myself to sleep every night. They're more likely to kill the first person alright, but then when it's not a video game....

Capt'n Midnight · 14-02-2011 12:06AM

PCPhoto wrote: »

leave a memorable scar by using a knife and twisting.

scar as in healing ?

you fail as an executioner

Topper Harley01 · 14-02-2011 12:11AM

Capt'n Midnight wrote: »

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stanford_prison_experiment
Another disturbing experiment in how quickly normal people can change.

Ok to be serious for a moment- It has always been perfectly obvious to me that this so called 'society' of ours in nothing but a veneer, a role that we have been conditioned to act out. If you scratch the surface even a tiny bit you will see murder, plotting, and conniving right through the social classes.

Man is an animal at heart, and always will be. This is perfectly demonstrated by William Golding in Lord of the Flies. They say if you have fear and chaos present, man will revert back to anarchy in two seconds flat. You only have to look at how a crowd turns into a lawless bunch of rioters in seconds to see this in motion.

So it's not that people in war zones are animals; they aren't. That is man in his natural environment. Luckily, we have control mechanisms to prevent this sort of lawlessness in 'civilised society'. But the line is very thin indeed, and some day it is going to break down....

Captain Darling · 14-02-2011 12:13AM

No, but i heard an interesting thing on the radio there lately about the guillotine in France during the French Revolution. They asked one guy who was about to be executed to blink his eyes after it was done and he did for a few seconds afterwards.

They also asked him to reply in code with blinks as to whether it hurt or not. It did apparently. What good that did i dont know, but still interesting nonetheless.

Preset No.3 · 14-02-2011 12:17AM

So many ways to kill someone, or state sanction exocution.

This guy is a local hero!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UxmBp23W6nc

Galway K9 · 14-02-2011 12:17AM

Dead Thread walking the green mile

enfant terrible · 14-02-2011 12:25AM

Wibbs wrote: »

Unless you were living in the US then there wouldnt be many you'd be doing in a career. Not judging by pierrepoint's career in the UK as their last executioner(and ours IIRC). Unless you were getting the major shekels for each time it would be a part time job.

Though as pierrepoint himself said "I do not now believe that any one of the hundreds of executions I carried out has in any way acted as a deterrent against future murder. Capital punishment, in my view, achieved nothing except revenge."

So in reality? I wouldnt do it. Not unless it was in revenge for the loss of one my own. Then yes. I'd gut them like a fish. Slowly.

Never really bothered me that it didn't prove a deterrent, would the people against it be supportive of capital punishment if it was a deterrent.

Wibbs · 14-02-2011 12:26AM

Captain Darling wrote: »

No, but i heard an interesting thing on the radio there lately about the guillotine in France during the French Revolution. They asked one guy who was about to be executed to blink his eyes after it was done and he did for a few seconds afterwards.

They also asked him to reply in code with blinks as to whether it hurt or not. It did apparently. What good that did i dont know, but still interesting nonetheless.

Yea a doctor in the late 19th century undertook a similar experiment with another condemned under the guillotine. Luckily(well...) the man's head landed on the stump after the blade fell. The doctor called out his name and the bodyless head opened his eyes and looked and locked on the doctors eyes Then the lids fell slowly down. Then he called again and again the eyes looked and focused, but with less vigour. At the third call the eyes took on the look of the dead and didn't respond. IIRC this was over the course of 15 or more seconds. He was clearly conscious after he lost his body.

You would think with the sudden loss of blood to the brain..... but it seems enough oxygen remains to sustain some inner life, for 10 odd seconds anyway. OK the dead don't have memories but that's a horrible thought. The blade falls and cuts through many many sensitive nerves in the neck causing severe pain, but without the massive shock causing instant coma in the case of the long drop hanging. You lose your body, but as your head falls your inner ear tells you you're falling, so your brain would try to extend your now non existent arms in front of you. Then if you were unlucky your mind would be still alive and aware for the longest ten seconds ever. I'd say most were unlucky as the adrenaline would be high and keeping the systems running. Horrible. Yet it was invented as a means to make the process of execution more humane. God bless the machine age of the enlightenment. Then again the electric chair was similar. With a side order of that plagiarist Edison thrown in for good measure(he wanted to prove how dangerous AC was. Twat.)

Wibbs · 14-02-2011 12:27AM

enfant terrible wrote: »

Never really bothered me that it didn't prove a deterrent, would the people against it be supportive of capital punishment if it was a deterrent.

I certainly would.

mudokon · 14-02-2011 12:27AM

Wibbs wrote: »

Try 7 seconds. That was the record and 10 to 15 seconds was the norm for the guys in the UK. They didn't do rehearsals either. Not with the condemned anyway.

As I said I was basing it on a book I read but it was a long time ago so I could be mistaken. When I meant drills I'm not saying that attached nooses but they took the prisoner on the walk from the cell to the gallows, could be wrong on this too though. I'll have to try to find the name of the book again to check.

Edit: I think this was the guy who's book I read.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harry_Allen_%28executioner%29#Personal_life_and_diaries

dresden8 · 14-02-2011 12:38AM

wiki on pierrepoint

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Albert_Pierrepoint

Fascinating chap. Apparently started learning his trade in Ireland.

It's a funny old world.

(Wow, proper links in After Hours, what is the world coming to?)

dresden8 · 14-02-2011 12:42AM

mudokon wrote: »

As I said I was basing it on a book I read but it was a long time ago so I could be mistaken. When I meant drills I'm not saying that attached nooses but they took the prisoner on the walk from the cell to the gallows, could be wrong on this too though. I'll have to try to find the name of the book again to check.

I may know what you are talking about.

Apparently he was going to "do" someone and as they were leaving the cell yer man said something along the lines of (Fat Tony Voice) "Let us do this thing". Yer man starts jogging to the execution cell. The other lads jog to keep up. Yer man runs onto the scaffold, hood on, rope attached expertly, lever pulled, de jobs oxo.

All in a matter of a few seconds. Can't remember where I read it though, a long time ago.

mudokon · 14-02-2011 12:48AM

dresden8 wrote: »

I may know what you are talking about.

Apparently he was going to "do" someone and as they were leaving the cell yer man said something along the lines of (Fat Tony Voice) "Let us do this thing". Yer man starts jogging to the execution cell. The other lads jog to keep up. Yer man runs onto the scaffold, hood on, rope attached expertly, lever pulled, de jobs oxo.

All in a matter of a few seconds. Can't remember where I read it though, a long time ago.

You read it too then. :pac:

ScumLord · 14-02-2011 12:53AM

Capt'n Midnight wrote: »

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Milgram_experiment

Most people when under close supervision will become executioners if asked to by a person in a position of authority.

But if in fact they had really killed someone they may well of ended up traumatised for life. It's easy for a human to kill but living with the memory can be another storey. They were also told the person on the other side of the test was perfectly safe.

I remember seeing a documentary that said most soldiers in WW2 and before (gun battles) wouldn't shoot to kill but carried out the motion. It had nothing to do with courage they just couldn't go through with the kill. Modern soldiers have it drilled into them to be able to pull the trigger effectively but end up coming home traumatised when they do kill.

Could you be an executioner

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