anyone here going to vote sinn féin?

fisgon · 13-02-2011 02:47PM

wee truck big driver wrote: »

. i think you will find they are in goverment in the six counties

Don't you mean Northern Ireland, a tiny, insignificant province of the Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland?

crebel81 · 13-02-2011 02:56PM

fisgon wrote: »

Don't you mean Northern Ireland, a tiny, insignificant province of the Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland?

So what provoked you to give this antagonistic response?

Many are so afraid (maybe not you) that the rise in Sinn Fein support might result in a just society and a united Ireland.

Really looking forward to that day

Because its ever so close...:D

P.S. Please don't quote me some stupid red c poll...

SafeSurfer · 13-02-2011 02:57PM

wee truck big driver wrote: »

you dont need a link 300+ people die on roads in the republic of ireland every year say in 30 years (1970-2000) that would be 9000 one hundreth of that would be ninty now you tell me the ninty people killed by the ira in the republic of ireland

Today's Red C poll has Sinn Fein at 10 down 3. Thats more than a 20% drop in their support in a week at a time wheh undecideds are down 3 to 17.
As convincing as your arguments are wee truck big driver, I'd hold off on putting up the
" Our armed wing didn't kill as many people in the south as road accidents"
posters just yet.

caseyann · 13-02-2011 03:17PM

Capt'n Midnight wrote: »

WTF are you talking about are you disputing the result of the 1918 general election ?

Taking the violence out of politics :rolleyes:

What are you talking about?

And you can roll eyes all you want,if someone called one of your family something you would sit back and say nothing? Good for you

caseyann · 13-02-2011 03:18PM

SafeSurfer wrote: »

Today's Red C poll has Sinn Fein at 10 down 3. Thats more than a 20% drop in their support in a week at a time wheh undecideds are down 3 to 17.
As convincing as your arguments are wee truck big driver, I'd hold off on putting up the
" Our armed wing didn't kill as many people in the south as road accidents"
posters just yet.

I dont understand how they get these percentages,as they arent asking anyone i know or polling people in my area.

takun · 13-02-2011 03:25PM

caseyann wrote: »

I dont understand how they get these percentages,as they arent asking anyone i know or polling people in my area.

They poll 1000 people, from all over the country, randomly selected but filtered so as to reflect the demographic of the voting population. I understand it is done by telephone.

Since 1000 people means that only 1 voter in something over 2000 will be polled, it isn't really surprising you don't know anyone who was, but there have been several posts here from people who were polled.

It may seem a small sample, but statistically it is enough to give a fairly accurate result. In the last election the redc polls were pretty accurate.

caseyann · 13-02-2011 03:41PM

takun wrote: »

They poll 1000 people, from all over the country, randomly selected but filtered so as to reflect the demographic of the voting population. I understand it is done by telephone.

Since 1000 people means that only 1 voter in something over 2000 will be polled, it isn't really surprising you don't know anyone who was, but there have been several posts here from people who were polled.

It may seem a small sample, but statistically it is enough to give a fairly accurate result. In the last election the redc polls were pretty accurate.

That explains it :P

They probably get ip addresses from here and avoid ringing the SF supporters

Dubol · 13-02-2011 04:01PM

Is this fair?
I am voting for the parties in order of the highest % of women candidates as I feel that the male dominated political system needs changing. Proportional Representation amongst sexes

1 Labour party 25% 17 women from 68 Candidates
2 Sinn Fein 19.5% 8 women from 41 "
3 Fine Gael 16.6% 17 women from 104 "
4 Green Party 16.3% 7 women from 43 "
5 Fianna Fail 15% 11 women from 75 "
6 Inde/others 12% 25 women from 210 "

Women of Ireland, This is our chance to be counted
I apologise for highjacking your thread but I dont know how to start one

Wolfe Tone · 13-02-2011 04:09PM

Dubol wrote: »

Is this fair?
I am voting for the parties in order of the highest % of women candidates as I feel that the male dominated political system needs changing. Proportional Representation amongst sexes

1 Labour party 25% 17 women from 68 Candidates
2 Sinn Fein 19.5% 8 women from 41 "
3 Fine Gael 16.6% 17 women from 104 "
4 Green Party 16.3% 7 women from 43 "
5 Fianna Fail 15% 11 women from 75 "
6 Inde/others 12% 25 women from 210 "

Women of Ireland, This is our chance to be counted
I apologise for highjacking your thread but I dont know how to start one

Thats right, people should be elected simply cause they are women.....

NotorietyH · 13-02-2011 04:17PM

Dubol wrote: »

Is this fair?
I am voting for the parties in order of the highest % of women candidates as I feel that the male dominated political system needs changing. Proportional Representation amongst sexes

1 Labour party 25% 17 women from 68 Candidates
2 Sinn Fein 19.5% 8 women from 41 "
3 Fine Gael 16.6% 17 women from 104 "
4 Green Party 16.3% 7 women from 43 "
5 Fianna Fail 15% 11 women from 75 "
6 Inde/others 12% 25 women from 210 "

Women of Ireland, This is our chance to be counted
I apologise for highjacking your thread but I dont know how to start one

What happens if there's a male Labour candidate in your area but a female Fine Gael candidate? Do you still vote for the party with most female candidates? Doesn't make sense to me, as you could end up with zero female TDs then.

Dubol · 13-02-2011 04:43PM

NotorietyH wrote: »

What happens if there's a male Labour candidate in your area but a female Fine Gael candidate? Do you still vote for the party with most female candidates? Doesn't make sense to me, as you could end up with zero female TDs then.

That maybe so in the short term but it would change the selection system at grass root level in the future. If FG suddenly realised that they were to lose 20 or more seats they would soon push for more women candidates. This would apply to all parties. We have to start somewhere. They keep talking about it but action speaks louder than words

fisgon · 13-02-2011 06:13PM

crebel81 wrote: »

So what provoked you to give this antagonistic response?

Not sure why you interpreted this as antagonistic. It's the actual title of the part of the world where Sinn Fein are in government.

My comment was part of a wider point. I was commenting on the use of the phrase 'the six counties' by another poster, which is indicative of a lot of what is wrong with Sinn Fein. They can't even bring themselves to utter the words ''Northern Ireland', as they can't even bring themselves to face up to the fact that partition happened. This is indicative of the deluded world that they live in, where guys that go out to murder someone else and who are in turn shot are 'martyrs', where it would be a good idea to renege on all our debt as some kind of slolution to our financial problems, where it's a good idea to campaign against every Euro treaty in the last 20 years, as if we don't need the EU.

They live in this deluded fantasy world where if you don't actually utter the name of a political entity you disagree with it might go away.

NotorietyH · 13-02-2011 06:15PM

Dubol wrote: »

That maybe so in the short term but it would change the selection system at grass root level in the future. If FG suddenly realised that they were to lose 20 or more seats they would soon push for more women candidates. This would apply to all parties. We have to start somewhere. They keep talking about it but action speaks louder than words

No it wouldn't because if you vote for a male candidate for no other reason than his party has the most number of female candidates the party will have no idea of your reasoning. They'll just see you voted for a male Labour candidate and assume you just agreed with his or Labour's policies. If you want more female TDs, vote for female candidates.

sharkie66 · 13-02-2011 06:58PM

SafeSurfer wrote: »

Today's Red C poll has Sinn Fein at 10 down 3. Thats more than a 20% drop in their support in a week at a time wheh undecideds are down 3 to 17.

ahem, have you forgotten about the margin of error factor? Apparently these new figures from Red C mean that SF will make significant gains in the election. How about that guys and girlies!!!!!!!

SF still on course to make massive gains!

Bring it on!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

sharkie66 · 13-02-2011 07:05PM

fisgon wrote: »

Not sure why you interpreted this as antagonistic. It's the actual title of the part of the world where Sinn Fein are in government.

My comment was part of a wider point. I was commenting on the use of the phrase 'the six counties' by another poster, which is indicative of a lot of what is wrong with Sinn Fein. They can't even bring themselves to utter the words ''Northern Ireland', as they can't even bring themselves to face up to the fact that partition happened. This is indicative of the deluded world that they live in, where guys that go out to murder someone else and who are in turn shot are 'martyrs', where it would be a good idea to renege on all our debt as some kind of slolution to our financial problems, where it's a good idea to campaign against every Euro treaty in the last 20 years, as if we don't need the EU.

They live in this deluded fantasy world where if you don't actually utter the name of a political entity you disagree with it might go away.

Can you please supply some hard evidence and proof for these assertions.:rolleyes:

wee truck big driver · 13-02-2011 07:41PM

fisgon wrote: »

Don't you mean Northern Ireland, a tiny, insignificant province of the Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland?

no if i meant northern ireland thats what i would have said. i live in northern ireland but i dont live in one of the six occupied counties

derrybhoy · 13-02-2011 07:52PM

fisgon wrote: »

Not sure why you interpreted this as antagonistic. It's the actual title of the part of the world where Sinn Fein are in government.

My comment was part of a wider point. I was commenting on the use of the phrase 'the six counties' by another poster, which is indicative of a lot of what is wrong with Sinn Fein. They can't even bring themselves to utter the words ''Northern Ireland', as they can't even bring themselves to face up to the fact that partition happened. This is indicative of the deluded world that they live in, where guys that go out to murder someone else and who are in turn shot are 'martyrs', where it would be a good idea to renege on all our debt as some kind of slolution to our financial problems, where it's a good idea to campaign against every Euro treaty in the last 20 years, as if we don't need the EU.

They live in this deluded fantasy world where if you don't actually utter the name of a political entity you disagree with it might go away.

So if a large percentage of people don't accept partition we live in a fantasy world,Get real I for one will never accept partition and this crisis will bring unification even closer crazy to have two economies on this island,Look how many businesses closed because people shopped in the north unsustainable,Two different currencies on the island crazy.It makes compete sense to end partition.

fisgon · 13-02-2011 08:00PM

wee truck big driver wrote: »

no if i meant northern ireland thats what i would have said. i live in northern ireland but i dont live in one of the six occupied counties

"the six occupied counties"! You guys are hilarious, you try to give the impression of this modern, new Sinn Fein, forward looking and all about the economy. And yet you talk as if it were still 1980.

fisgon · 13-02-2011 08:02PM

derrybhoy wrote: »

So if a large percentage of people don't accept partition we live in a fantasy world,Get real I for one will never accept partition and this crisis will bring unification even closer crazy to have two economies on this island,Look how many businesses closed because people shopped in the north unsustainable,Two different currencies on the island crazy.It makes compete sense to end partition.

As I said, deluded fantasists. We have a general election campaign at the moment, who has even mentioned ending partition? No-one, hardly even Sinn Fein. No one cares, join the real world.

the_syco · 13-02-2011 08:11PM

http://www.breakingnews.ie/ireland/sf-free-education-for-every-child-for-life-493329.html

Sinn Féin has launched its education policy today, promising free education for every child for life, including third level, regardless of their socio-economic grouping.

The party's spokesperson for education and TD for Dublin South Central Angus O'Snodaigh said his party would fund the policy by introducing a third rate of tax for higher earners.

"Those people who have additional wealth would be taxed. (Our tax policy includes) a wealth tax and a third band of tax of 48% on monies earned over €100,000…That is the way you tackle the inequality," he said.

Meanwhile, the Greens are marking St Valentines Day by outlining their policy document on gay marriage while Fianna Fáil leader Michael Martin is canvassing in Cork South Central.

Seems SF are of the opinion that if you work hard, and earn too much money, it should be taken from you... :rolleyes:

derrybhoy · 13-02-2011 08:20PM

fisgon wrote: »

As I said, deluded fantasists. We have a general election campaign at the moment, who has even mentioned ending partition? No-one, hardly even Sinn Fein. No one cares, join the real world.

So much progress to date and hope to see martin mcguinness as first minister and largest party in the north this year.Slowly but surely the north will be part of a REAL republic not a plastic one.

Reilly616 · 13-02-2011 08:39PM

derrybhoy wrote: »

So much progress to date and hope to see martin mcguinness as first minister and largest party in the north this year.Slowly but surely the north will be part of a REAL republic not a plastic one.

What are you referring to there?

randomhuman · 13-02-2011 08:56PM

fisgon wrote: »

As I said, deluded fantasists. We have a general election campaign at the moment, who has even mentioned ending partition? No-one, hardly even Sinn Fein. No one cares, join the real world.

Yeah, I think Sinn Fein still bring it up at every opportunity. They even managed to make reference to a "future 32 county republic" in their responses to a questionnaire about their commitment to secularism:

http://www.atheist.ie/information/2011-general-election/sinn-fein-response/

crebel81 · 13-02-2011 10:15PM

fisgon wrote: »

As I said, deluded fantasists. We have a general election campaign at the moment, who has even mentioned ending partition? No-one, hardly even Sinn Fein. No one cares, join the real world.

Sorry man, but either you are voting Sinn Fein or you are not. If its one or the other, then give us your two pence.

Either way, there is no need for you to be telling us who cares or who doesnt. Its clear you coulnt give 2 fooks and thats ok if you are of a west brit opinion

Wolfe Tone · 13-02-2011 10:17PM

I wish people wouldnt call others west brits it just makes them look stupid.

Capt'n Midnight · 13-02-2011 11:13PM

wee truck big driver wrote: »

you dont need a link 300+ people die on roads in the republic of ireland every year say in 30 years (1970-2000) that would be 9000 one hundreth of that would be ninty now you tell me the ninty people killed by the ira in the republic of ireland

We all know the armed escorts for the banks was to prevent robberies used to fund the IRA & co. So the 1,800 or so that were killed up North by the IRA are no concern of the Gardaí ?? Had the boarder been fully sealed a lot of those people would still be alive. Undoubtedly the Gardaí did prevent a unknown of incidents.

Are you are trying to say that the IRA were OK because they didn't kill that many people down south ? It doesn't mean much since any acts of violence down here have resulted in a loss of public support.

Even if you are pedantic and only count IRA murders carried out in the Republic , the number is far higher than 90. 18 killed in Warrenpoint , bombs were detonated by people in the Republic. And there were many more incidents like that.

3 times as many people died on the roads in the North than because of the troubles. Hundreds still die on our roads. More people had died on our roads since the introduction of penalty points than in the troubles. All of which would suggest that these deaths aren't as preventable as those due to the paramilitaries.

SafeSurfer · 13-02-2011 11:21PM

I believe Sinn Fein's recent drop in the polls can be somewhat attributed to Adams. Sinn Fein have lost a lot of hard working local councillors by their policy of HQ handpicking candidates for the GE over local party hopefuls. So Christy Burke gets shafted by the imposition of Mary Lou Mc Donald and runs as independent, likewise Thomas Pringle gets overlooked in Donegal SW in favour of Pearse Doherty and runs as an independent. There are major rumblings among the local party apparatus in Louth over the parachuting in of Gerry over local party councillors.

Look at other recent high profile defections.
Councillor Killian Forde
Councillor John Dwyer
Councillor Louise Minihan
Councillor Padraig Mc Shane

On the plus side one former Green councillor in Cork, Chris O' Leary has joined Sinn Fein.

The major reason stated by the departed councillors is Sinn Fein HQ control.

Gerry Adam's has been party leader since 1983, 28 years at the helm. Despite this there have been no heaves, no votes of no confidence, something seen much more frequently in other mainstream parties.

Despite great expectations in 2007, the party lost the seat won by Sean Crowe, who had topped the poll in Dublin SW, fell to fifth place, with his first preference vote which reduced from 20.28% to 12.16% and returned with 4 TD's in total.

In the local elections in 2009 the party won 7.34% of first preference votes, down 0.95% from 2004.

The party is currently very transfer unfriendly. A major handicap in turning percentage first preferences into seats.

Adams was a war time leader. He brought the party to the negotiating table. But history teaches us that war time leaders do not often make good peace time politicians.

A Sinn Fein with a young southern leadership such as Doherty or Mc Donald would in my view have a broader appeal and be more transfer friendly than the old gaurd of Adams and co and the baggage they carry.

It seems that no one in the organisation can or will tell Gerry Adams this. Instead he pulls the party lower in the polls every time he gets out of his depth on TV or radio on the intricacies of political and economic issues in the south.

If the party fail to make the breakthrough of 10 plus seats that they have widely anticipated in GE 2011 will Adam's position as head of the party be called into question?

Well to paraphrase a joke told by a local Sinn Fein councillor

In Fianna Fail you have democracy, you can go up to Brian Cowen and say "I don't like Brian Cowen" well in Sinn Fein we have the same thing, I can go up to Gerry Adams and say "I don't like Brian Cowen."

wee truck big driver · 13-02-2011 11:25PM

fisgon wrote: »

As I said, deluded fantasists. We have a general election campaign at the moment, who has even mentioned ending partition? No-one, hardly even Sinn Fein. No one cares, join the real world.

you may not care, but hey "newsflash" the world does not revolve around you and what you want

fisgon · 13-02-2011 11:30PM

crebel81 wrote: »

. Its clear you coulnt give 2 fooks and thats ok if you are of a west brit opinion

Seriously? If we want to know why SF is making no impact in the polls, just read some of the posts by their supporters.

wee truck big driver · 13-02-2011 11:32PM

,sinn fein with a young southern leadership like doherty, you having a laugh hes from donegal the most northerly county in ireland as for the ira robbing banks was that worse than the irish goverment robbing the irish people to give to the banks and sine when did the brits give us back warrenpoint i missed that.

anyone here going to vote sinn féin?

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