anyone here going to vote sinn féin?

Capt'n Midnight · 12-02-2011 01:55AM

Xclusiv Barber wrote: »

Every1 take a breath and address the post not the poster ey guys and gals? Kind of puts it all into perspective, take a moment, its just been confirmed six dead in a plane crash in cork which was landing en route from belfast.

That is far less relevant to this thread than the thousands that died during the troubles. I'd have a lot more respect for SF if they could distance themselves from that past and those involved in that past that haven't changed. I won't ever forget. And I can't forgive unless there is demonstrable seachange.

Any loss of life is regrettable. To put it into perspective Eight men killed in two-car crash in County Donegal It's statically likely there will be a ferry tragedy in the Philippines that will kill several hundred people.

Wolfe Tone · 12-02-2011 02:03AM

I will be voting SF, shake things up, hope they get to be the main opposition party, a role they will excel in.

Mustopha · 12-02-2011 02:42AM

I haven't time to read most of the posts here but the general impression I get – which does reflect the reservations I actually have about voting SF – is that they don't have the economic expertise to responsibly take power.

This is a fair argument and I admit I have cringed watching Mr Adams answer (or rather dodge) economic questions. Having said that, the reality is that there is a vast amount of expertise within the civil service that isn't going to be voted away. The point of electing representatives to the Dáil is to manifest the will of the people, particularly at the forefront of the various arms of the State vis a vis the appointment of Ministers. This considered, SF are the largest party most vocally speaking the will of the people in demanding that senior bondholders (i.e. gamblers) take a hit so that Irish citizens do not suffer from an erosion of social services-health, education and the overall integrity of our society. I am assuming that this is the will of the people because it seems so overwhelmingly obvious to me and anyone I speak to on the street. It is also what so many reputable economists are saying what needs to happen in order to maintain a cohesive society and avoid deepening financial recession. It is also what they are planning to bring into law in Brussels anyway in 3 years time! We need a government that really stands up for its citizens and places their interests above those of the senior bondholders (i.e. gamblers). This is primarily why I'm voting SF.

Also SF are the only major party seriously talking about utilising the countries natural resources. This needs to be a major agenda in this election. Think about this: if every barrel of the estimated minimum $1,000 billion of oil equivalent (i.e. natural gas) extracted from our western shores was taxed at a rate the same as a low-middle income earner, how much difficulty would our exchequer find itself in?

Our land is rich and the politicians that pledge to command this wealth for the benefit of the people have my vote.

Finally, to those who say there's no point voting SF because you're wasting your vote since they'll never be in power anyway...in that case, long live the status quo!

femur61 · 12-02-2011 08:17AM

If people vote SF as a protest thinking they will never be in power, they might actually do quite well. I'll never forget eniskillen, Warrington, Omagh, Gerry McCabe, bank robberies, extortion, drug running and more importantly LIES.

FRIENDO · 12-02-2011 10:25AM

The past should always be remembered and respected, I hope we can all learn from the hurt and pain and hope it never happens again.
I often think of Sinn Fein today as being in a similar position as the men and woman who formed Fianna Fail/Labour/Fine Gael in the early 20th century and many of whom also buried the gun and moved forward in a peaceful manner.

I got a leaflet through the door yesterday pointing out Sinn Fein ideas;
JOBS - Invest state funds in jobs, not failed banks
END THE BANK BAIL-OUT AND THE EU/IMF DEAL - Private investors' debt is not the people's debt.
A NEW BUDGET - Reverse cuts, protect those on low and middle incomes, cut TDs and ministers' salaries and have a higher tax rate for top earners and a 1% wealth tax.
PROTECT HEALTH AND EDUCATION - Reduce waste, not frontline services.
RECLAIM THE REPUBLIC - Work for the common good. Sinn Fein TDs only take home the average industrial wage. End cronyismand break the golden circle

celtictory · 12-02-2011 10:29AM

Anyone see Vincent Browne last night?

Panelists: robert Ballagh, Sam Smyth, Marie Louise O'Donnell.

This topic was discussed.

All main parties on this Island have a violent past, if not so tell me.

I won't judge people who organised and defended thier communites.

Gerry Adams has work tirelessly to bring peace on this Island. I note the last breakdown of peace occourred in a period where FG lead the rainbow coalition.

Why should we expect unionists in thte 6 counties share power in Stormont but parties won't entertain SF in Government in the 26.

Sounds like more Celtic Tory (FG) clap trap. Maybe FG private opinion polls are showing that FF votes are migrating to LAB & SF.

FRIENDO · 12-02-2011 10:35AM

Oh I forgot to mention the Sinn Fein leaflet was printed in IRELAND, Tallaght, Dublin 24.
Good to see that one of our parties running for election is giving jobs to Irish people in the print industry.

Joey the lips · 12-02-2011 10:36AM

henryporter wrote: »

After watching Pierse Doherty on Primetime on Wednesday last an emphatic NO! - I can't believe that the sum total of Sinn Fein's economic policies are to take what remains of the Pension Fund an what is on reserve in the Central Bank and use that to p!ss away on one years Public Expenditure while not having any idea what to do next year, while at the same time allowing us to become alienated by anyone willing to ever lend us money on the future (unless they're aiming to make us the first sub-prime Country!)

This has proved to be an interesting comment seen as though every party now intends to p1ss away the pension fund in some form of another....

I suppose once its not used as severence or to buy shirts i will be fairly happy.

I have no problem voteing sinn fein they will get a preference although in my area i see that transfering so i really vote with this in min.

bnt · 12-02-2011 10:44AM

1000 posts on this? I'm surprised it's such a controversial subject. I'm from the UK, so while I'm allowed to vote in the Dail elections, I won't be voting for SF for what I think would be fairly obvious reasons. I see some previous posters saying "let go of the past", but how can we when the SF leaders are the same people who ran the IRA? Martin McGuinness, for example, has not answered for his past crimes. In general, thought, I'll be voting for individual TDs on the issues, not for Parties.

FRIENDO · 12-02-2011 10:45AM

Votail Sinn Fein Number 1

danbohan · 12-02-2011 10:54AM

bnt wrote: »

1000 posts on this? I'm surprised it's such a controversial subject. I'm from the UK, so while I'm allowed to vote in the Dail elections, I won't be voting for SF for what I think would be fairly obvious reasons. I see some previous posters saying "let go of the past", but how can we when the SF leaders are the same people who ran the IRA? :rolleyes: In general, I'll be voting for individual TDs on the issues, not for Parties.

perhaps you should do some research into why those same leaders had to join the IRA in the first place and your countrys tainted history here .

afewfs · 12-02-2011 11:00AM

Seems like the Celtic Tories (FG) are in a panic.

I agree with the post that private FG opinion polls are showing that FF voter are turning to SF & LAB & IND

I look forward to voting for Sinn Fein in Longford Westmeath.

FRIENDO · 12-02-2011 11:11AM

bnt wrote: »

1000 posts on this? I'm surprised it's such a controversial subject. I'm from the UK, so while I'm allowed to vote in the Dail elections, I won't be voting for SF for what I think would be fairly obvious reasons. I see some previous posters saying "let go of the past", but how can we when the SF leaders are the same people who ran the IRA? Martin McGuinness, for example, has not answered for his past crimes. In general, thought, I'll be voting for individual TDs on the issues, not for Parties.

Why not look a little further back in our history to say 1916 and see the polictical leadership footprint left from the leaders of the IRA at that time.

wee truck big driver · 12-02-2011 11:31AM

KELTICKNIGHTT wrote: »

for this reason that sf still supports terrorists,they will never be part of a government thank god

shows how much you know. i think you will find they are in goverment in the six counties

LordSutch · 12-02-2011 11:54AM

I know many things about Sinn Fein, their murky past wrapped up in over one thousand murders up North, in the South & in Britain, I know about the bank robberies, the Post office raids, the fuel laundering, money laundering rackets, the extortion, the vague (transparent) connection with the IRA, two sides of the same coin really, but of course those who support Sinn Fein know all of this, and that's why they vote for them > "the past is the past" they say, so lets move on . . .

Well maybe when the current crop, which includes Adams, McGuinness, Ferris etc are dead and gone, then Sinn Fein will have gone through the same process as Fianna Fail did in the 30s, and will (in Irish eyes) have become a 'respectable Political party'

Curiously, there are Sinn Fein threads popping up all over the place, with many more SF threads per capita in relation to their small size in the Dail (only five seats) than there are for any other political party in this election race. Obvbiously the 'Sinn Fein Youth' are in full propaganda mode, I'm just waiting for "would you vote Gerry (with) or without the beard" Thread, or similar, just so another Sinn fein thread can be started :cool:

Sinn Fein threads are soo numerous now, its getting silly.

12-02-2011 12:00PM

LordSutch wrote: »

I know many things about Sinn Fein, their murky past wrapped up in over one thousand murders up North, in the South & in Britain, I know about the bank robberies, the Post office raids, the fuel laundering, money laundering rackets, the extortion, the vague (transparent) connection with the IRA, two sides of the same coin really, but of course those who support Sinn Fein know all of this, and that's why they vote for them > "the past is the past" they say, so lets move on . . .

Well maybe when the current crop, which includes Adams, McGuinness, Ferris etc are dead and gone, then Sinn Fein will have gone through the same process as Fianna Fail did in the 30s, and will (in Irish eyes) have become a 'respectable Political party'

Curiously, there are Sinn Fein threads popping up all over the place, with many more SF threads per capita in relation to their small size in the Dail (only five seats) than there are for any other political party in this election race. Obvbiously the 'Sinn Fein Youth' are in full propaganda mode, I'm just waiting for "would you vote Gerry (with) or without the beard" Thread, or similar, just so another Sinn fein thread can be started :cool:

Sinn Fein threads are soo numerous now, its getting silly.

On the first page of this forum there is 1 SF thread (this) out of a possible 20.

That's 5%. Stop posting rubbish.

Pete_Cavan · 12-02-2011 12:19PM

rarnes1 wrote: »

On the first page of this forum there is 1 SF thread (this) out of a possible 20.

That's 5%. Stop posting rubbish.

Several other threads have been merged into this one since it was first created.

crebel81 · 12-02-2011 02:13PM

bnt wrote: »

1000 posts on this? I'm surprised it's such a controversial subject. I'm from the UK, so while I'm allowed to vote in the Dail elections, I won't be voting for SF for what I think would be fairly obvious reasons. I see some previous posters saying "let go of the past", but how can we when the SF leaders are the same people who ran the IRA? Martin McGuinness, for example, has not answered for his past crimes. In general, thought, I'll be voting for individual TDs on the issues, not for Parties.

Fair point. But do you know why the IRA existed in the north? Would it have anything to do with the treatment of catholics/nationalists by the british power machine....

The IRA protected these communities cos hell knows the RUC didn't, never mind the free staters...

Human rights were not in existence in these communities hence the civil rights movement.

Unemployment, burning of houses, internment without trial, collusion, the list is endless...

Now you tell me what you would have done if you lived in this environment???

Wolfe Tone · 12-02-2011 02:37PM

femur61 wrote: »

If people vote SF as a protest thinking they will never be in power, they might actually do quite well. I'll never forget eniskillen, Warrington, Omagh, Gerry McCabe, bank robberies, extortion, drug running and more importantly LIES.

What did Omagh have to do with SF?

crebel81 · 12-02-2011 02:47PM

Wolfe Tone wrote: »

What did Omagh have to do with SF?

I believe if anyone hears the letters I R A in whichever order they come, they automatically think of Sinn Fein. Well informed individuals we have in this country I am led to believe

stone roses · 12-02-2011 03:15PM

it always the same with sinn fein! bash , bash , bash, well ff as we all know came from the ashes of 1916 and the civil war of 1922, ff like sinn fein are republicans not to long ago in the 70s a ff leader got arms for the i.r.a!!

also how many thousands of irish souls lost tere lifes fighting for the british empire and on remeberance day the irish are never mentioned!!
was it tere choice to fight or were they promised independance? either way they did it for freedom!!!

so what has all this got to do with sinn fein ?? well to know were your going you got to now were your coming from!!! sinn fein didnt just appear, like all people who were oppressed they organized and moved on!!

i will be voting sinn fein and i am willing to forget about all that has happened on both sides!!

caseyann · 12-02-2011 03:57PM

stone roses wrote: »

it always the same with sinn fein! bash , bash , bash, well ff as we all know came from the ashes of 1916 and the civil war of 1922, ff like sinn fein are republicans not to long ago in the 70s a ff leader got arms for the i.r.a!!

also how many thousands of irish souls lost tere lifes fighting for the british empire and on remeberance day the irish are never mentioned!!
was it tere choice to fight or were they promised independance? either way they did it for freedom!!!

so what has all this got to do with sinn fein ?? well to know were your going you got to now were your coming from!!! sinn fein didnt just appear, like all people who were oppressed they organized and moved on!!

i will be voting sinn fein and i am willing to forget about all that has happened on both sides!!

Maybe you can answer this for me thanks.I will talk with someone from Sinn Féin during the week about it aswell
But what do they intend to protect the state pensioners with if they use the reserve fund?

sparkling sea · 12-02-2011 04:43PM

A vote for Sinn Fein is really a wasted vote, they wont be in government and neither will they be an effective opposition because (a) its almost impossible to be politically effective in opposition under our political structures (b) there policies are wholly unrealistic and therefore unworkable (c) their leader Mr Adams knows little and in some areas nothing about our welfare and economic system - how can he put up arguements when he hasn't even versed himself on the issues and (d) ego does not make a good politican and political convassers for SF are admitting that GA is a turnoff for many people but what can they do, he is their leader - if the leader is not prepared to step down for the good of the party, then what would be really be interested in doing whats good for the country?

Point D could really be applied to Enda Kenny too, he doesn't appear to be listening to his foot solidiers either.

Disregard for peoples opinions especially when they are right is not a good quality in any leader and is a prOblem for FG and Sinn Fein - there is something they have in common - well I never!

bnt · 12-02-2011 04:59PM

FRIENDO wrote: »

Why not look a little further back in our history to say 1916 and see the polictical leadership footprint left from the leaders of the IRA at that time.

danbohan wrote: »

perhaps you should do some research into why those same leaders had to join the IRA in the first place and your countrys tainted history here .

Did that long ago. I also studied the histories of South Africa, India, and other colonies, where things worked out differently. How much do you know about 1916? Do you think that people had to join the IRA, and the Easter Rising had to happen? Ireland's situation was not unique, but the IRA failed to learn the lessons from movements in other colonies, and the Rising was a screwup, not some glorious episode in your history. Besides, all of you had missed my point: the English politicians and generals of that era are long gone - but former IRA terrorists are still in charge of Sinn Fein today. Big difference.

cameramonkey · 12-02-2011 05:20PM

bnt wrote: »

Did that long ago. I also studied the histories of South Africa, India, and other colonies, where things worked out differently. How much do you know about 1916? Do you think that people had to join the IRA, and the Easter Rising had to happen? Ireland's situation was not unique, but the IRA failed to learn the lessons from movements in other colonies, and the Rising was a screwup, not some glorious episode in your history. Besides, all of you had missed my point: the English politicians and generals of that era are long gone - but former IRA terrorists are still in charge of Sinn Fein today. Big difference.

either you are deliberately misrepresenting history or you are ignorant of it.

Essexboy · 12-02-2011 05:22PM

They are Fianna Fáil Nua. Enter the Dáil, claim to be radical while cosying up to the monied classes.

sollar · 12-02-2011 06:51PM

Sinn Fein want to increase the dole. Its hardly a good time to do that!!

wee truck big driver · 12-02-2011 07:44PM

bnt wrote: »

Did that long ago. I also studied the histories of South Africa, India, and other colonies, where things worked out differently. How much do you know about 1916? Do you think that people had to join the IRA, and the Easter Rising had to happen? Ireland's situation was not unique, but the IRA failed to learn the lessons from movements in other colonies, and the Rising was a screwup, not some glorious episode in your history. Besides, all of you had missed my point: the English politicians and generals of that era are long gone - but former IRA terrorists are still in charge of Sinn Fein today. Big difference.

the only terrorists in ireland where the ones supported by the british goverment

wee truck big driver · 12-02-2011 07:44PM

sollar wrote: »

Sinn Fein want to increase the dole. Its hardly a good time to do that!!

it would be if you where on it

caseyann · 12-02-2011 07:54PM

wee truck big driver wrote: »

the only terrorists in ireland where the ones supported by the british goverment

Terrorism is the systematic use of terror especially as a means of coercion.[1] No universally agreed, legally binding, criminal law definition of terrorism currently exists.[2][3] Common definitions of terrorism refer only to those violent acts which are intended to create fear (terror), are perpetrated for a religious, political or ideological goal, deliberately target or disregard the safety of non-combatants (civilians), and are committed by non-government agencies.

Some definitions also include acts of unlawful violence and war. The history of terrorist organizations suggests that they do not select terrorism for its political effectiveness.[4] Individual terrorists tend to be motivated more by a desire for social solidarity with other members of their organization than by political platforms or strategic objectives, which are often murky and undefined.[4]

The word "terrorism" is politically and emotionally charged,[5] and this greatly compounds the difficulty of providing a precise definition. Studies have found over 100 definitions of “terrorism”.[6][7] The concept of terrorism may itself be controversial as it is often used by state authorities to delegitimize political or other opponents

Funny isnt it only terrorism when someone tags it terrorism.
The British terrorized the Irish and were perpetrated for a religious, political goal for decades and they werent terrorists because their government saw it as fit and just.Also they are guilty ofEthnic terrorism or racial terrorism involves frequent attacks of foreign-born immigrants and may qualify as either or both racist or ethnist, xenophobic. Notable examples include Neo-Nazi groups, but most who engage in violence for ethnic or racial causes qualify.
ah double standards got to love them.

anyone here going to vote sinn féin?

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