anyone here going to vote sinn féin?

13-02-2011 12:58AM

KELTICKNIGHTT wrote: »

so you know they not into crime now or have been sense,ex ira or ira which ever way you want too word it

There's a bit of a massive difference between ex and not. Possibly the biggest difference of all.

KELTICKNIGHTT wrote: »

i live in a city which is well know too whats going on with these ex provos,
and its in several towns and citys around ireland as a whole,thats where the facts is,hasnt been long enough sense sf did the peace deal but they still hold same views ,if they ever too be considered in any government,they will for sure have too prove themselfs, would also help too have more better policy's with facts and how they going too make it happens
these views have been put here by supporters to stands too reason,theres more change need in sf party

There's that word again! Ex! As in: no longer part of something. A few miles away from where you were saying SF are still supporting the IRA.

Prove it or lose it.

riskyOz · 13-02-2011 12:58AM

caseyann wrote: »

And barr just arguing the point they dont like their policies they keep bringing it up.

1. Sinn Féin has shown that there is a better way. We were the only party not to sign up to the government’s consensus for cuts and instead put forward a real costed alternative for economic recovery.

2. Sinn Féin would reverse cuts to public services and social welfare introduced in Budget 2011. We are the only party to clearly state that we would do this.

3. Unlike the other parties Sinn Féin would stand up to the IMF and EU. Sinn Féin is an Irish republican party. We are a United Ireland party. We believe in the sovereignty, independence and freedom of the Irish people and the right of our people to build our own society.

4. Every TD elected for Sinn Féin will mean a stronger voice for working families, the unemployed and all those struggling to survive. The more Sinn Féin TDs elected the louder the voice for those they represent in the Dáil.

5. Sinn Féin stands up for ordinary people. Over the last year it is our party, which confronted this government and demanded higher standards. For us, actions speak louder than words. Sinn Féin was the only party to oppose the Lisbon Treaty, pointing out the dangers for our sovereignty. Sinn Féin forced the government to hold the Donegal SW by-election, exposed the Taoiseach’s contacts with leading people in Anglo, is the only party not to sign up to the Fianna Fáil / Green Party / Fine Gael / Labour consensus for cuts and instead put forward a real alternative for economic recovery. Sinn Féin TDs only take home the average industrial wage.

6. Sinn Féin will change politics and put an end to cronyism. Reform must start with the Dáil. That means cutting TD’s wages and expenses. It means changing how the Dáil business is done so the Government can be held to account. We would abolish the Seanad in its current form

How is it possible to reverse the cuts introduced by the government yet tell the EU/IMF to waddle off with their loan.

SF would need to rob a bank to acquire these funds.

Ohh wait.......:rolleyes:

SafeSurfer · 13-02-2011 12:58AM

Former IRA commander Thomas "Slab" Murphy, who settled with CAB for €630,000 for cross border smuggling of cigarettes, oil etc. Interestingly in the 2nd link to the article in the Irish Independent

"Sean O'Callaghan, the Kerry IRA man turned Garda informant, testified to meeting Murphy in the company of Gerry Adams, Martin McGuinness, Pat Doherty and others at a meeting of the IRA Army Council in 1993."

http://www.u.tv/News/Slab-Murphy-served-with-writ/4a564dcd-3d35-47f6-bef4-37e87c73acf3

http://www.independent.ie/opinion/editorial/gunrunning-ira-chief-hid-behind-guise-of-simple-farmer-473193.html

http://www.rte.ie/news/2008/1017/murphyt.html

KELTICKNIGHTT · 13-02-2011 12:59AM

Wolfe Tone wrote: »

What?

So what if they sell republican memorabilia?

more too it im afraid too say than few t-shirts
still waiting too hear where they going too get the 16 billion euros too run the country and what will sf replace the funds from the pension fund if they use it all ?

Wolfe Tone · 13-02-2011 01:00AM

SafeSurfer wrote: »

Former IRA commander Thomas "Slab" Murphy, who settled with CAB for €630,000 for cross border smuggling of cigarettes, oil etc. Interestingly in the 2nd link to the article in the Irish Independent

"Sean O'Callaghan, the Kerry IRA man turned Garda informant, testified to meeting Murphy in the company of Gerry Adams, Martin McGuinness, Pat Doherty and others at a meeting of the IRA Army Council in 1993."

http://www.u.tv/News/Slab-Murphy-served-with-writ/4a564dcd-3d35-47f6-bef4-37e87c73acf3

http://www.independent.ie/opinion/editorial/gunrunning-ira-chief-hid-behind-guise-of-simple-farmer-473193.html

http://www.rte.ie/news/2008/1017/murphyt.html

What do you think that cash was for?

sharkie66 · 13-02-2011 01:02AM

KELTICKNIGHTT wrote: »

i live in a city which is well know too whats going on with these ex provos,
and its in several towns and citys around ireland as a whole,thats where the facts is,hasnt been long enough sense sf did the peace deal but they still hold same views ,if they ever too be considered in any government,they will for sure have too prove themselfs, would also help too have more better policy's with facts and how they going too make it happens
these views have been put here by supporters to stands too reason,theres more change need in sf party

Sorry but what's your point? Is that ex I see? If it is then are these people running in the election for SF or FG? I just don't get it? Any cance you could clear things up for us?

No facts, just hearsay and not that we doubt you but I for one cannot take your word for anything you claim as fact without the necessary evidence!

Wolfe Tone · 13-02-2011 01:02AM

KELTICKNIGHTT wrote: »

more too it im afraid too say than few t-shirts
still waiting too hear where they going too get the 16 billion euros too run the country and what will sf replace the funds from the pension fund if they use it all ?

So when we get down to it you are saying:

SF are in cahoots with the PIRA TODAY
And are selling drugs, extorting etc
And you have no proof, you say you were told and you can't say how you know this

Is that right?

caseyann · 13-02-2011 01:03AM

KELTICKNIGHTT wrote: »

more too it im afraid too say than few t-shirts
still waiting too hear where they going too get the 16 billion euros too run the country and what will sf replace the funds from the pension fund if they use it all ?

Thats the question i want answered aswell.I mean surely they have the plan back up,and we are missing it somewhere.

KELTICKNIGHTT · 13-02-2011 01:04AM

Papa Smut wrote: »

There's a bit of a massive difference between ex and not. Possibly the biggest difference of all.

There's that word again! Ex! As in: no longer part of something. A few miles away from where you were saying SF are still supporting the IRA.

Prove it or lose it.

do you know they dont support them ?
as i said if you want too use different words ,ex or not
if you go too place where they do crime activities ,do you think too people close by the word ex or not makes a difference when they still do protection rackets and drug and arms ,say it too locals and see what they say back,the garda are afraid or more important ,dont have enough proof

KELTICKNIGHTT · 13-02-2011 01:06AM

caseyann wrote: »

Thats the question i want answered aswell.I mean surely they have the plan back up,and we are missing it somewhere.

what backup plan,they where asked and no clear answer ,they just changed the subject away when they where asked,all they do is give out about other partys
o yes,burn the bond holders ,thats another solution they say

Wolfe Tone · 13-02-2011 01:06AM

KELTICKNIGHTT wrote: »

do you know they dont support them ?
as i said if you want too use different words ,ex or not
if you go too place where they do crime activities ,do you think too people close by the word ex or not makes a difference when they still do protection rackets and drug and arms ,say it too locals and see what they say back,the garda are afraid or more important ,dont have enough proof

The gards dont even need proof to lock republicans up for months and months at a time.

You are smearing here, and doing it quite badly cause you have no proof whatsoever.

13-02-2011 01:07AM

as i said if you want too use different words ,ex or not

Seriously, are you still seeing all your ex-partners?

SafeSurfer · 13-02-2011 01:07AM

caseyann wrote: »

For the last fourteen years the policies of all governments all over the world are ****e. They cater the rich and the government wealthy and no one else.And fg and lab and ff are still doing it,but people are blind.

What about Cuba, Venezuela?

And you never answered my question that if you considered the British to be terrorists did you also consider the IRA to be terrorists? Posts 1074 and 1076.

KELTICKNIGHTT · 13-02-2011 01:09AM

Wolfe Tone wrote: »

So when we get down to it you are saying:

SF are in cahoots with the PIRA TODAY
And are selling drugs, extorting etc
And you have no proof, you say you were told and you can't say how you know this

Is that right?

first off
i never said sf where
second i dont believe they have fully broke ties with ira inactive members ,but i did say these inactive ire members are involved in crime and protection,
theres a big difference

LynHan · 13-02-2011 01:10AM

The fact of the matter is that Sinn Fein are no more than a bunch of terrorist scumbags masquerading as a political party. They've aided and abetted the robbery of banks, the buying of guns, and the murders of innocent people north and south of Ireland for years. Anyone who votes for these murderers are idiots. The End.

SafeSurfer · 13-02-2011 01:10AM

Wolfe Tone wrote: »

What do you think that cash was for?

Sorry Wolfe Tone, I don't get your point.

13-02-2011 01:13AM

Guys, lets remember "scum" and it's derivatives is expressly against the charter

caseyann · 13-02-2011 01:16AM

SafeSurfer wrote: »

What about Cuba, Venezuela?

And you never answered my question that if you considered the British to be terrorists did you also consider the IRA to be terrorists? Posts 1074 and 1076.

Why are you saying they have good politics

I will call the IRA of latter years rebels and freedom fighters of their country.No i dont agree with them bombing innocent civilians.But i heard a rumour once that British got the warnings and they did not act on them till to late.

Wolfe Tone · 13-02-2011 01:17AM

LynHan wrote: »

The fact of the matter is that Sinn Fein are no more than a bunch of terrorist scumbags masquerading as a political party. They've aided and abetted the robbery of banks, the buying of guns, and the murders of innocent people north and south of Ireland for years. Anyone who votes for these murderers are idiots. The End.

No mention of why they did any of those things no?

Thanks for calling so many people idiots.

KELTICKNIGHTT · 13-02-2011 01:20AM

Papa Smut wrote: »

Seriously, are you still seeing all your ex-partners?

what has this too do with sf ,
please this is about politics
was or is sf connected too non active ira members ?
but you probably will say,you need facts,but for me ,i know,if you need facts
then go too a town or city thats know for where these things happen and you get all the info you need

LynHan · 13-02-2011 01:23AM

Apologies, was not aware the word sc*m was forbidden. Slap on the wrist acknowledged!

KELTICKNIGHTT · 13-02-2011 01:23AM

Wolfe Tone wrote: »

No mention of why they did any of those things no?

Thanks for calling so many people idiots.

think we know the history but theres going too be 2 different views
sf supporters view and non sf supporters view

Wolfe Tone · 13-02-2011 01:24AM

KELTICKNIGHTT wrote: »

what has this too do with sf ,
please this is about politics
was or is sf connected too non active ira members ?

How many people have been through the ranks of the PIRA over its 30 odd year existence? Hardly strange some would engage in criminality for personal gain. How are SF responsible for their actions?

sharkie66 · 13-02-2011 01:25AM

riskyOz wrote: »

How is it possible to reverse the cuts introduced by the government yet tell the EU/IMF to waddle off with their loan.

SF would need to rob a bank to acquire these funds.

Ohh wait.......:rolleyes:

If the Sf were to do as you suggest above they would so find out that FG and FG had beaten them to it!
Ahem, the banks have already been cleaned out by those fuddermuckers Fianna Fail. Fine Gael are guilty on the basis that the party did nothing to undo the FF agenda while it was the main opposition party!

riskyOz · 13-02-2011 01:25AM

caseyann wrote: »

Why are you saying they have good politics

I will call the IRA of latter years rebels and freedom fighters of their country.No i dont agree with them bombing innocent civilians.But i heard a rumour once that British got the warnings and they did not act on them till to late.

I don't see how you could call them "freedom fighters" when the majority of people within NI are unionist. They were effectively "freedom fighters" for the minority which is against every single democratic value.

Wolfe Tone · 13-02-2011 01:26AM

KELTICKNIGHTT wrote: »

think we know the history but theres going too be 2 different views
sf supporters view and non sf supporters view

Or there can be an informed view where one points out that the IRA didnt do what they did for no reason.

Wolfe Tone · 13-02-2011 01:27AM

riskyOz wrote: »

I don't see how you could call them "freedom fighters" when the majority of people within NI are unionist. They were effectively "freedom fighters" for the minority which is against every single democratic value.

Thats a "false" majority, this island was pretty much gerrymandered. Why do you think only six counties were taken?

KELTICKNIGHTT · 13-02-2011 01:28AM

Wolfe Tone wrote: »

How many people have been through the ranks of the PIRA over its 30 odd year existence? Hardly strange some would engage in criminality for personal gain. How are SF responsible for their actions?

they off the record connected,if you need proof,go too a city or town known where you get all the answers

13-02-2011 01:28AM

KELTICKNIGHTT wrote: »

what has this too do with sf ,
please this is about politics
was or is sf connected too non active ira members ?

It's to do with your understanding of the term "ex"

Was Sinn Fein connected to non active IRA members

and

Is Sinn Fein connected to non active IRA members

Are two incredibly different questions.

It's the same as asking me

Was I six foot tall when I was seven

and

Am I six foot tall now?

One is in the past, one is in the present, I really can't explain it any clearer.

caseyann · 13-02-2011 01:28AM

riskyOz wrote: »

I don't see how you could call them "freedom fighters" when the majority of people within NI are unionist. They were effectively "freedom fighters" for the minority which is against every single democratic value.

ah but the majority in Ireland who were Irish when the British invaded and killed our people and robbed our land and degraded Irish were what exactly?
And when people stand up against their oppressors they become freedom fighters and let me see Irish soil Irish people being treated like **** up the north after the republic got its Independence still makes them freedom fighters.

anyone here going to vote sinn féin?

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