The Unoffiical IRA thread

Cat Melodeon wrote: »

In the interests of transparency I presume you are also going to do background checks on all the other candidates across all political parties? They all have a few contenders in there, I'm sure you'll want us to know about them too?

This isn't a thread about Fianna Fáil or Provisional Sinn Féin or any others.

I would also like to see some links between Gilmore and these organisations that have existed within the past 20 years.

So you mean forget about anything before 1981?
I don't witness anyone doing that for Bin Laden Gerry Adams The Arms Trial etc. so I don't think Official IRA prior to 1991 are off limits or irrelevant.

I was anti-abortion when I was 16, have been actively campaigning on the pro-choice side for about 15 years now. People mature. Not if they keep their tinfoil hats on though...

So you claim that Gilmore was linked to the Official IRA and Marxism but just changed his mind? When did he tell everyone else about this?
By the way the claim that being for women being allowed abortion should they want one isn't necessarily a "more mature" position as having no abortion but this isn't a thread about abortion either.

Your basic point is still "we should forget about anything before 1991". This is just nonsensical. The last person to try that "year zero" lark was Pol Pot!

clln wrote: »

I know boards does not fall under the rules broadcasters have to follow during a GE but really the OP seems to be intent on character destruction more than following the politics charter.

any chance Gilmore could be alerted to this to at least give him the right of reply?

I won't discuss my personal motivations for posting this thread here as they are not the subject of the thread either. I am happy to discuss them elsewhere. they are on record so I can prove I had the reasons before I posted the thread.
when you don't want to deal with the issues do you always resort to attacking the poster who outlines those issues?

clln wrote: »

I know boards does not fall under the rules broadcasters have to follow during a GE but really the OP seems to be intent on character destruction more than following the politics charter.

If you have a complaint about not following the charter then that isn't for discussion here either!
Nor are allegations of defamation or libel. I posted what is published and already available .

clln wrote: »

well then let all parties have somebody working for them appoint a rep to reply here.it shows just how stale this GE is that they have not done so already.

any party that takes exception to something said on radio contacts the station within minutes!

Your suggestion that the Labour Party are not "managing the media" now to the best of their ability and getting media to support their bias even more is evidence which supports the double standards issue of "attack PIRA ignore OIRA" . and i havent even poisted the RTE sources and media control references yet!

dlofnep wrote: »

Nearly every politician in Ireland has some direct link to some form of the IRA, or has a family member that was active in Ireland. This is a cheap pop at Gilmore. I don't vote for labour, and have intentions of doing so - but the intent of this thread is quite clear.

Is it really?
If it is so clear how about you saying what it is?
I be happy to prove you wrong if you make a clear statement of what you think my intentions are but care to deal with the thread and not the intent behind it for the moment.

And it isn't only about Gilmore. It is about the Official IRA and Workers Party etc. and links to secret control of unions , forgery, racketeering etc.

It isn't about provisional IRA or about Provisional Sinn Féin or Fianna Fail or the PDs or the Green Party.

Nodin wrote: »

Are you going to back up your OP anytime soon?

I gave the reference to the book.

Do you want page references?

dlofnep wrote: »

Nearly every politician in Ireland has some direct link to some form of the IRA, or has a family member that was active in Ireland.

But this isnt a thread about nearly every politician. it is about the Official IRA Workers Party communists etc. who became part of the establishment.

dlofnep wrote: »

Pre-election tarnishing. I thought that much was obvious. At least it is to the majority of the posters in this thread.

So you are saying i am trying to tarnish whom? I haven't gotten around to Harris yet who was a Fianna Fáil apointee to the Senate. Ironically I suppose he will be derided by the same people that say I am trying to tarnish others whom they support. It seems ther is a different standard for the ex commies who support Labour and for the ones that support anyone else e.g SF or Fianna Fáil.

Wolfe Tone wrote: »

W[h]ere SF really pro soviet USSR in the late 70s? I was under the impression they were not.

Sovient links with OIRA 1976 - Anatoly Kaplan ambassodor in dublin guest at Davitt commemeration; Party members attend functions in Bulkgarian and Soviet embassies in Loindon; Sept - SF meet North Korean iofficials in Brussels; SF office opens in Rome to liase with Italian communists; linmks with Namibian SWAPO; SF links wiht cuba,Ghana, Vietnam ( Hanly book referenced in in the OP page 334)

Eamon Gilmore and Johnny Curann were then president and education officer of USI. Official SF had a motion challenging linkis with soviets defeated at the 1976 congress.
( same book page 326)

SFWP influence on Students executives ( p. 348)

I can quote from that page report their internal as they began to loise theri grip in 1979

The position of the party within the USI is strong in terms of powerThe Officer board and principal staff positions are filled by people who are , at least , sympathetic to the party position

People like Rabbitte who had such student positions of power had not yet joined the Party but subsequently did.

The report goes on to outline strategies for maintaining control over Students and using them for recruitment and training of left wing party members.

Later seventies SF influence with students also included Gerry granger, Padraig Mannion, John Ryan. while thy didnt have a mojority on the executive they could count on influence of other non party left wing student leaders sympathetic to them(page 348)

GArland (OIRA leader) visits Romania in oct. 1978 and SFWP buillkd relations with East German SUP.

SFWP leadership held the soviet party line. In 1979 Russia invaded Afghanistan. If they criticised imperialism they made sure to criticise US and Chinese imperialism in afghanistan.

In the 1980 SFWP form links with french communists, mourn Brezhnev's death, send congratulations to his successor Andropov (page 461)

Shea O'Meara wrote: »

So, if this all points to underground shenanigans set in place decades ago to turn Ireland into some marxist/fascist shangrila for whackos...em, how do you explain the last few decades of the worst right wing corruption the state has ever seen?

Top of my head;
Haughey and the arm smuggling.
Haughey sending Lawlor to meet Saddam with an introductory letter from his excellency Charles Haughey.
Bertie claiming to be a socialist.
Bertie sending an FFail trade deligation, and going himself, to communist China.
Cowen and FFail destroying our country through personal gain/corruption.

LOL! But this thread is not about them it is about the official IRA workers party commies etc.

Your thread is a joke.

You might possibly be on to something there. I expected that when i started it that
- people would immediately attack me instead of addressing the topic
- claim it was an orchastrated smear campaign
-claim it was irrelevant
- claim that others did similar things and thy to change the topic to discussing the others

Ironically the same mindset will post things about the Church, Fianna Fáil, Sinn Féin, and when someoine else says "but Labour/Workers Party/lefties" did similar they will claim it isnt about the others.

I predicted all this would happen and it did.

Is this where FFail are taking this election run up when we need serious resolution to serious issues?

LOL tick the box of "orchestrated by FF" above

This discussion is entirely of my own making and people were told abou
t it and the predictions made in advance of what would happen if I posted it.

bonkey wrote: »

I've already asked you to do just this...it being your thread and all. So far, you've ignored that request, so it seems a bit out of place for you to be making the same request of others.

What request do you claim I ignored?

Maybe you could explain why its about both.

I didnt claim it is about both . I claimed it is about the Official IRA and Workers Party etc. Note the "etc."

i.e. people involved in commie marxist terrorist illegal leftie socialist and other similar activities but not Republican such as the PIRA, Fianna Fail Provisional Sinn Fein or similar.

That is what it is about.

Rather then selecting a small handful of the infinite things its not about, why don't you tell us what the thread is about, ISAW? Is it about multiple vaguely-related topics? Is it about some as-yet-unestablished relationship which makes it all one valid topic?

I already have. Official IRA Official Sinn Fein and the groups to which they were linked . Their party Organisation and the people involved and their subsequent and co incident involvement in Sinn Fein the Workers PArty the Workers Party New Agenda Democratic :Left and the Irish Labour Party

What are you trying to discuss???

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The stickies - their history and their subsequent associations.

Nodin wrote: »

I'll refrain from comment until the remainder emerges.

That will take some time. maybe a few weeks but thanks for telling me you will comment.
Ill post biots as I go along.
ther is a lot of other stuff to post and people wanted to hear about that too.
Others are also beginning to post different sources.
I'm sure we can continue the thread if and when Labour party people are Minister of Justice.
If Gerry Adams was proposed as Minister of Justice they would be posting similar background info about him but this isnt about Adams or Provisional SF.

femur61 wrote: »

I'm in my mid 40's, I was going to go to protest against nulcear power plants in my 20's now I think they are a great thing. I won't be voting Labour in the GE, think unions have their part in the destruction of our country, doesn't a person have different views at 40+ than when they were 20.

Maybe they do. when did you hear the ex Marxist Labour people saying they rejected socialism and all its evil works and all its evil deeds and renew their baptism into constitional politics and capitalist economics?
And when did doing like the developers and money changers become de rigeur?