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anyone here going to vote sinn féin?

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  • #632
    Maj Malfunction
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 194 ✭✭Maj Malfunction


    Tipp Man wrote: »
    Now for the umpteenth time how is SF going to plug the hole in our national finances by "burning the bondholders"??

    The Shinners appear to be blinded by their own rhetoric that they won't listen to reason or wisdom.

    Burning bond holders and taxing the bee-jeebus out of the middle & wealthy classes, while might have great appeal won't solve the nations problems!


  • #633
    Buceph
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,059 ✭✭✭Buceph


    Pete_Cavan wrote: »
    Again, the ECB would stop buying Irish banking bonds if we burn the bondholders, the result would be the entire banking system here collapsing. Everybody loses all their savings and businesses close because they cant get working capital. Everybody is jobless and have no savings. I think it is fair to say that would not be a good situation, wouldnt you agree?

    But that's exactly what Sinn Fein want. They want to be in charge of a position where they get to rework the shape of Ireland. Getting us out of the EU and fully engaged in a weird protectionist era where Ireland runs like a socialist paradise growing spuds and being united. It's completely ludicrous, but Sinn Fein are radical extremists. The only reason that doesn't show through in the North is because they're beholden to a much bigger entity controlling the purse-strings.


  • #634
    Mr.Superiority
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12 ✭Mr.Superiority


    First time voting, and I will not be voting SF.


  • #635
    takun
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 173 ✭✭takun


    I posted a reasonable and not angry post here: http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=70552972&postcount=617

    You responded:
    SEVERA wrote: »
    as i have alllready said you just dont have any trust and its doing you no good. you want someone to hold your hand and tell you evreything is going to be great, you want a happy ending to evrey day of your life, but lifes not like that.
    the hard line alltenative is there. all you have to do is vote sinn fein, i think in your heart you know its right, if you didnt you wouldnt be so bloody angry, the truth hurts but it will also set you free, and sinn fein know all about freedom;)

    Your response is completely unrelated to my post.

    Was it a mistake?


  • #636
    sharkie66
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 129 ✭✭sharkie66


    Slothy wrote: »
    yeah sorry I couldnt help myself. in my opinion they are an angry mob first.

    They dont think, they are just angry. Their policies sound crazy, and I have nerver read or heard anything sensible from any of them in regards to a good fiscal policy. In fact I would think most of their supporters are very uneducated and just angry too.

    Clear infringement of the rules here. We are told to comment the post not the poster.

    Sloth you are very much out of order here and you really should apologize to us SF supporters for this outrageous remark.:mad:


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  • #637
    sharkie66
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 129 ✭✭sharkie66


    Maj Malfunction wrote: »
    The Shinners appear to be blinded by their own rhetoric that they won't listen to reason or wisdom.

    Burning bond holders and taxing the bee-jeebus out of the middle & wealthy classes, while might have great appeal won't solve the nations problems!

    Ahemmmm,
    Now FG are on about bondholders being burnt! Chicky Enda has finally come round to Sf's policy. And all you non believers dissed Sinn Fein. Wow what a turnaround.
    :p


  • #638
    Pete_Cavan
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,360 ✭✭✭Pete_Cavan


    sharkie66 wrote: »
    Clear infringement of the rules here. We are told to comment the post not the poster.

    Sloth you are very much out of order here and you really should apologize to us SF supporters for this outrageous remark.:mad:

    Well then why dont you comment on all the posts asking you to explain the SF economic policy and the obvious flaws in it instead of ignoring these posts?


  • #639
    Buceph
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,059 ✭✭✭Buceph


    sharkie66 wrote: »
    Clear infringement of the rules here. We are told to comment the post not the poster.

    Sloth you are very much out of order here and you really should apologize to us SF supporters for this outrageous remark.:mad:

    I don't know what's so bad about what he said. Sinn Feins traditional support has come from the poorly educated, extremely working class and unemployment ridden areas of urban sprawls. Long associated with lack of opportunities at higher levels of education.

    And Sinn Fein do use a lot of angry invective. Look at the Donegal fellas first speech in the Dail. He was extremely angry. I don't think anger has a place in politics, where calm minds are needed, but people are free to disagree. And look at the Lisbon campaign, a lot of anger in that campaign as well.


  • #640
    Cal_Egle
    Closed Accounts Posts: 43 ✭Cal_Egle


    Pete_Cavan wrote: »
    First of all, as I said already: "Iceland defaulted on banking debt but couldnt get money from the bond markets and needed the IMF to bail them out, what makes you think we will be any different?" You can say all you like that defaulting will get us a lower interest rate, but in practice that has been proved wrong. Defaulting and rejecting the bailout money, like SF want to do, will leave the country with no money at all.

    Again, the ECB would stop buying Irish banking bonds if we burn the bondholders, the result would be the entire banking system here collapsing. Everybody loses all their savings and businesses close because they cant get working capital. Everybody is jobless and have no savings. I think it is fair to say that would not be a good situation, wouldnt you agree?



    Again, you are wrong.... The failed banks will collapse (as they should ), as they failed as a business... we will still have internation banks in the Irish market like Ulster bank etc and trust me, a lot more will come in to fill the vacuum, once the failed entities collapse.
    and i am sorry, the IMF are already in, in case you havent already read the papers recently.. and again, you failed to answer, what the alternative is... :mad:


  • #641
    SEVERA
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 138 ✭✭SEVERA


    takun wrote: »
    I posted a reasonable and not angry post here: http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=70552972&postcount=617

    You responded:



    Your response is completely unrelated to my post.

    Was it a mistake?
    no its not a mistake, its just you need to accept that you are a sinn fein supporter, but your in denial, you poor soul. Just say it out loud and you will feel much better. come on sinn fein need people like you


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  • #642
    sharkie66
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 129 ✭✭sharkie66


    Pete_Cavan wrote: »
    Well then why dont you comment on all the posts asking you to explain the SF economic policy and the obvious flaws in it instead of ignoring these posts?

    Why should I? It has been qualified time and time again on this forum. Sometimes people only see what they want to see and maybe you have missed something while going through the previous posts. Trust me all the answers you need are there, just have a look. Go on.

    :P


  • #643
    takun
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 173 ✭✭takun


    sharkie66 wrote: »
    Why should I?

    :P

    I don't know, but maybe because you are proud of it, convinced it could work and would like more people to understand it?


  • #644
    Cal_Egle
    Closed Accounts Posts: 43 ✭Cal_Egle


    Buceph wrote: »
    I don't know what's so bad about what he said. Sinn Feins traditional support has come from the poorly educated, extremely working class and unemployment ridden areas of urban sprawls. Long associated with lack of opportunities at higher levels of education.

    And Sinn Fein do use a lot of angry invective. Look at the Donegal fellas first speech in the Dail. He was extremely angry. I don't think anger has a place in politics, where calm minds are needed, but people are free to disagree. And look at the Lisbon campaign, a lot of anger in that campaign as well.


    Speak for yourself.... and please stop generalising... I am well eductaed, have a very good job and would be one of the citizens impacted the most by the higher level of taxes that SF are proposing to increase Tax take from. But, as an educated person, i know that their proposal on the Bank debt, is the best one for me in the long-run.... as the other parties might let me off in the short term (in terms of not raising my taxes), i know that in the longer term, i will be totally screwed, when we default on our SOVEREIGN debt. That means MY taxes will increase by a lot more then,m as no bondholders will lend to the a country that defaults on SOVEREIGN debt, as opposed to banking debt... and FYI, the Icelandic economy started recovering after 2 years, and they CAN borrow on the bond market (at lower rates than we can).... Maybe you are not that well informed (not that well educated my friend)


  • #645
    takun
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 173 ✭✭takun


    SEVERA wrote: »
    you need to accept that you are a sinn fein supporter, but your in denial, you poor soul.

    Please, no name calling.


  • #646
    Pete_Cavan
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,360 ✭✭✭Pete_Cavan


    Cal_Egle wrote: »
    Again, you are wrong.... The failed banks will collapse (as they should ), as they failed as a business... we will still have internation banks in the Irish market like Ulster bank etc and trust me, a lot more will come in to fill the vacuum, once the failed entities collapse.

    How quickly before more banks come in to fill the vacuum? Everybody with money in Irish banks will lose in all straight away and many businesses will fail because will not be able to access credit (Ulster Bank cant fund them all) before any new banks can enter the market. When they see that our economy has been desimated, we refused the help (bailout) that was offered to us and all other banks here failed, I dont think there will be too make banks looking to set up here.

    Again you are ignoring the fact that Iceland defaulted on bank debt but still needed a bailout. SFs plan to defaul and reject the bailout can not work.
    Cal_Egle wrote: »
    and i am sorry, the IMF are already in, in case you havent already read the papers recently.. and again, you failed to answer, what the alternative is... :mad:

    This is not an alternative, this is the only option; with the bailout money we dont need to borrow from the bond markets until after 2014. In that time we have to reduce the budget deficit. We will then be able to go back to the bond markets, this time at an interest rate of less then that of the bailout. We pay back the bailout with the money borrowed on the bond markets. We are then back to trading like a normal country. We can no longer run up huge budget deficits or artifically inflate our economy using crazy tax breaks but that is a good thing long term.


  • #647
    Cal_Egle
    Closed Accounts Posts: 43 ✭Cal_Egle


    Pete_Cavan wrote: »
    How quickly before more banks come in to fill the vacuum? Everybody with money in Irish banks will lose in all straight away and many businesses will fail because will not be able to access credit (Ulster Bank cant fund them all) before any new banks can enter the market. When they see that our economy has been desimated, we refused the help (bailout) that was offered to us and all other banks here failed, I dont think there will be too make banks looking to set up here.

    Again you are ignoring the fact that Iceland defaulted on bank debt but still needed a bailout. SFs plan to defaul and reject the bailout can not work.



    This is not an alternative, this is the only option; with the bailout money we dont need to borrow from the bond markets until after 2014. In that time we have to reduce the budget deficit. We will then be able to go back to the bond markets, this time at an interest rate of less then that of the bailout. We pay back the bailout with the money borrowed on the bond markets. We are then back to trading like a normal country. We can no longer run up huge budget deficits or artifically inflate our economy using crazy tax breaks but that is a good thing long term.


    Are you deliberately ignoring the fact that by 2014, we will have accepted 20-50 billion of banking debt from private institutions as our own (and this will not be paid back by 2014)... why do you want to ignore this face? That is like the FF policy of put it on the long finger and hope the problem never comes back to bite us


  • #648
    Xclusiv Barber
    Closed Accounts Posts: 117 ✭✭Xclusiv Barber


    K_user wrote: »
    People should always vote....

    While I found Xclusiv Barber's comment a little offensive, I chose to direct my comment at the party politics, that keeps things clear and simple.

    you shouldn't be offended, i didn't make any references in any way personal, i was speaking broadly. Apologies if u took it personally, And nobodys political ideology is more open ended and more open minded than mine!!! Heres the breakdown ok, Referring to the young men dying and god save the queen in the way i did etc, is commonly referred to as SATIRE. U hav to hav ur tongue in ur cheek at my age or one would hang oneself. The point, to break into its most simplistic form for you, is this. I am not a party supporter. I am a "me, my wife children, my little business which i'm tryin to set up in ireland not abroad" supporter. I see all sides of every argument, way up pros and cons- it comes wit age, bills, kids and a beer belly. But heres my point K_user, if there had never been an effort to break away from the union, an effort in which irish people DID ACTUALLY DIE, the end result of the ensuing chain reaction is we would be british. (u might argue economically we'd be better off right now.... Thats an idea for a thread.) but the point is this. We once were british, now we are irish, because somebody cared enough to empower us and some even died. And in the event that we would still be british, (which, absolutely, would hav pros as well as cons if taken on all its merits) we would of course then be singing 'god save the queen' and not 'amhrán na bhFiann'. And if we had never been independent wouldn't we be happy to sing it? Do you see my 'butterfly effect' stylee logic there K_user. So, if we dont actually vote, then we dont have a say and when bending over and taking it, as we will, REGARDLESS of who is in power, those who dont vote may as well in that case say thanks and shut the fu(k up about it.


  • #649
    Pete_Cavan
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,360 ✭✭✭Pete_Cavan


    Cal_Egle wrote: »
    Are you deliberately ignoring the fact that by 2014, we will have accepted 20-50 billion of banking debt from private institutions as our own (and this will not be paid back by 2014)... why do you want to ignore this face? That is like the FF policy of put it on the long finger and hope the problem never comes back to bite us

    Are you deliberately ignoring the fact that by defaulting we destroy the economy. Everybody in this country loses their savings (atms dont work) and every business would collapse because they cant get credit to buy stock, pay wages, ect. There would literally be no money left in the country except the cash that people have in their pockets. The economy would be wiped out instantly, all multi national companies leave immediately and all indigenous companies have failed so there is no employment. No teachers, nurses, gardai can be paid because the state has no money. We will then have no one to turn to because we will have rejected the IMF, the EU stand to lose more than us if your banks collapse and the bond markets wont touch us.

    We have no choice but to take the bailout money.


  • #650
    Cal_Egle
    Closed Accounts Posts: 43 ✭Cal_Egle


    Pete_Cavan wrote: »
    Are you deliberately ignoring the fact that by defaulting we destroy the economy. Everybody in this country loses their savings (atms dont work) and every business would collapse because they cant get credit to buy stock, pay wages, ect. There would literally be no money left in the country except the cash that people have in their pockets. The economy would be wiped out instantly, all multi national companies leave immediately and all indigenous companies have failed so there is no employment. No teachers, nurses, gardai can be paid because the state has no money. We will then have no one to turn to because we will have rejected the IMF, the EU stand to lose more than us if your banks collapse and the bond markets wont touch us.

    We have no choice but to take the bailout money.


    Again Pete, you are listening to FF/FG/Labour scare tactics... every economist outside of Ireland says we shouldnt take the bank debt.. every major financial institution says we shouldnt do it... but you still insist on saying that we should because FF/FG/Labour say we should and that if we dont take the bank debt, the country will collapse around us... The French are hoping we take it, so that they can use it as a means of pulling away our sovereignty on the low corporate tax rate ... which if they get their way (which is a strong possibilioty if we take their money), will double the corporation tax in Ireland... what happens next, all the Multi-nationals walk away from us... this is scaring the crap out of... but you keep buying into their lies... please, wake up, and se what is really going on here.
    SF have committed to maintaining the corporate tax rate... they know what is good for the economy, they also know that taking the banking debt as our own is not good for the economy... if we dont follow SF's lead on these 2 principles (and i dont care who is in power as long as they implement these core principles coming from SF, as a selfish man... worried about my future)... we will be totally screwed.... no money in the ATM's, no jobs as every Multi-national corporation pulls out, with every Irish dependant business closing down as a result, we will face fincancial Armageddon....
    Have FF/Labour/Fg explained how they will protect our 12.5% corporate tax rate if they get into power? ..with the EU dictating our future tax policy (because they are lending us the money)? Wake up people... this is serious and is not a time for B***** politics from the self-serving populist party politics that got us into the mess we are in....
    ...


  • #651
    SEVERA
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 138 ✭✭SEVERA


    takun wrote: »
    Please, no name calling.
    it could be worse i could have called you ff supporter:)
    hey your only fooling yourself,you and i know whats going to happen on the 28th you will vote sinn fein, and you will be at peace with yourself.:cool:


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  • #652
    SafeSurfer
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,147 ✭✭✭SafeSurfer


    SEVERA wrote: »
    it could be worse i could have called you ff supporter:)
    hey your only fooling yourself,you and i know whats going to happen on the 28th you will vote sinn fein, and you will be at peace with yourself.:cool:

    Whats happening on the 28th?

    Multo autem ad rem magis pertinet quallis tibi vide aris quam allis



  • #653
    Pete_Cavan
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,360 ✭✭✭Pete_Cavan


    Cal_Egle wrote: »
    Again Pete, you are listening to FF/FG/Labour scare tactics... every economist outside of Ireland says we shouldnt take the bank debt.. every major financial institution says we shouldnt do it... but you still insist on saying that we should because FF/FG/Labour say we should and that if we dont take the bank debt, the country will collapse around us... The French are hoping we take it, so that they can use it as a means of pulling away our sovereignty on the low corporate tax rate ... which if they get their way (which is a strong possibilioty if we take their money), will double the corporation tax in Ireland... what happens next, all the Multi-nationals walk away from us... this is scaring the crap out of... but you keep buying into their lies... please, wake up, and se what is really going on here.
    SF have committed to maintaining the corporate tax rate... they know what is good for the economy, they also know that taking the banking debt as our own is not good for the economy... if we dont follow SF's lead on these 2 principles (and i dont care who is in power as long as they implement these core principles coming from SF, as a selfish man... worried about my future)... we will be totally screwed.... no money in the ATM's, no jobs as every Multi-national corporation pulls out, with every Irish dependant business closing down as a result, we will face fincancial Armageddon....
    Have FF/Labour/Fg explained how they will protect our 12.5% corporate tax rate if they get into power? ..with the EU dictating our future tax policy (because they are lending us the money)? Wake up people... this is serious and is not a time for B***** politics from the self-serving populist party politics that got us into the mess we are in....
    ...

    You are talking absolute bullsh*t. If we follow SFs plan the country will be out of money at the end of this year with nowhere else to turn to to get money. When we draw up budget 2012 our expenditure will still exceed our income by more than €15bn regardless of what happens (defaulting on loans, burning bondholders, none of that will change this fact). SF will have used the NPRF for this year so we will have no money left. The bond markets are not going to give us money after we default on other loans and told the people who offered to help us (IMF) to p*ss off. The situation with Iceland is proof we will not get a decent rate of interest in the bond markets if we let banks fail, they did it and still needed a bailout. What you and SF are promoting is not a plan, it is suicide.


  • #654
    Buceph
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,059 ✭✭✭Buceph


    Pete_Cavan wrote: »
    You are talking absolute bullsh*t. If we follow SFs plan the country will be out of money at the end of this year with nowhere else to turn to to get money. When we draw up budget 2012 our expenditure will still exceed our income by more than €15bn regardless of what happens (defaulting on loans, burning bondholders, none of that will change this fact). SF will have used the NPRF for this year so we will have no money left. The bond markets are not going to give us money after we default on other loans and told the people who offered to help us (IMF) to p*ss off. The situation with Iceland is proof we will not get a decent rate of interest in the bond markets if we let banks fail, they did it and still needed a bailout. What you and SF are promoting is not a plan, it is suicide.

    Another thing about Iceland is that they have quite an insular economy, not like ours which is based on international trade.


  • #655
    Tragedy
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,056 ✭✭✭Tragedy


    Cal_Egle wrote: »
    Pleae show us where you got this information from... if you cant show it/prove it, then i am guessing you are one of the FF/FG/Labour party members in here to spread lies and disinformation... if you can prove it, i promise you i will stand outside the SF offices and demonstrate against them. ie put up or shut up
    Just pointing out that this guy isn't protesting outside SF HQ, so I'd take anything he says with a grain of salt.

    SF supporters, have you questioned your TD on his exorbitant expense claims?


  • #656
    Xclusiv Barber
    Closed Accounts Posts: 117 ✭✭Xclusiv Barber


    Buceph wrote: »
    Another thing about Iceland is that they have quite an insular economy, not like ours which is based on international trade.

    its all about context. Out of context, to say icelandic economy is insular, ok, but on a wider stage have you any idea how fu<king expensive extortionate and simplistically totally out of whack with the world icelands economy is. Holding up the insularity of icelands economy(which was extortionate in good times, i've been! And is now at armageddon level) is like saying well at least its hard to walk to ireland. Of bloody course it is is the answer but is irrelevant. Just a little thought, How happy are the icelanders with the economy that they can't get off the fu<king island from? Not the best of reasoning my learned young friend


  • #657
    Cal_Egle
    Closed Accounts Posts: 43 ✭Cal_Egle


    Pete_Cavan wrote: »
    You are talking absolute bullsh*t. If we follow SFs plan the country will be out of money at the end of this year with nowhere else to turn to to get money. When we draw up budget 2012 our expenditure will still exceed our income by more than €15bn regardless of what happens (defaulting on loans, burning bondholders, none of that will change this fact). SF will have used the NPRF for this year so we will have no money left. The bond markets are not going to give us money after we default on other loans and told the people who offered to help us (IMF) to p*ss off. The situation with Iceland is proof we will not get a decent rate of interest in the bond markets if we let banks fail, they did it and still needed a bailout. What you and SF are promoting is not a plan, it is suicide.


    Calm down Pete ... you sound a little like Joan Burton, if i am haranguing you, i apologise !!! Please answer the question, why do all the international economists think we shouldnt take on the Banking debt... are they all wrong? I dont know if you heard the news at 5:30, the black hole called the banks are requesting an additional 15 billion.... and hopefully there is light at the end of the tunnel, FG and FF said they wont give it to them ... although i think, that once the election is over, they will change their minds and give it to them.... You know what i am talking about (say anything to get elected, but once in power, fcuk the Irish and give the Banks what they want)....
    Can i ask you to answer this for us ..... do you agree that the Irish state takes in 35 billion a year in taxes? and do you agree, that if we take on the 50 billion of banking debt, we will be paying this for the rest of our lives? would you agree that it is totally unacceptable for us to pay over 5 billion a year on interest and cpaital repayments for the Banking debt alone? ad last question, do you think we can afford this ?
    You keep going on about SF raiding the NPRF... come on .... the EU currently states that ANY assets that the Irish state has, including the NTMA funds must go to paying the banking debt... if we privatise ANYTHING under current state ownership, any money received must go to paying the banking debt.... and you think SF are the problem....
    Again, sorry for upsetting you, I am only stating facts and asking relevant questions :o


  • #658
    Buceph
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,059 ✭✭✭Buceph


    Xclusiv Barber wrote: »
    its all about context. Out of context, to say icelandic economy is insular, ok, but on a wider stage have you any idea how fu<king expensive extortionate and simplistically totally out of whack with the world icelands economy is. Holding up the insularity of icelands economy(which was extortionate in good times, i've been! And is now at armageddon level) is like saying well at least its hard to walk to ireland. Of bloody course it is is the answer but is irrelevant. Just a little thought, How happy are the icelanders with the economy that they can't get off the fu<king island from? Not the best of reasoning my learned young friend

    What are you talking about? That Iceland have it hard? I know that. I'm just saying that when Iceland has wealth generation within it's own economy and has an insular domestic economy, it isn't as badly effected by a lack of ability to trade on the international front. It would be even worse for Ireland to lose the ability to trade internationally because businesses would leave. That wasn't an option in Iceland.


  • #659
    Xclusiv Barber
    Closed Accounts Posts: 117 ✭✭Xclusiv Barber


    Buceph wrote: »
    What are you talking about? That Iceland have it hard? I know that. I'm just saying that when Iceland has wealth generation within it's own economy and has an insular domestic economy, it isn't as badly effected by a lack of ability to trade on the international front. It would be even worse for Ireland to lose the ability to trade internationally because businesses would leave. That wasn't an option in Iceland.

    have you lived in iceland too? that 'when' you refer to will most likely not happen again in our lifetimes


  • #660
    Buceph
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,059 ✭✭✭Buceph


    Xclusiv Barber wrote: »
    have you lived in iceland too? that 'when' you refer to will most likely not happen again in our lifetimes

    What are you talking about? What "when?" Iceland is a more insular economy than ours, that when is now.


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  • #661
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 0 ✭ [Deleted User]


    Cal_Egle wrote: »
    Calm down Pete ... you sound a little like Joan Burton, if i am haranguing you, i apologise !!! Please answer the question, why do all the international economists think we shouldnt take on the Banking debt... are they all wrong?
    The frontline finance debate showed us that it's only €20 billion that SF want to default on anyway.
    If you ask me,thats going to go the way of burden sharing with EU agreement and probably a lot more state debt too.
    We just don't know yet.

    What do those economists of which you speak,think of SF's strategy to run the country for the next 4 or 5 years?
    They've evaluated that have they? Could you link to the analysis? Because we all want to know where the money's going to come from once the cuts are reversed.
    We've seen a billion here and a billion there from that 48% tax rate and that wealth tax but after the nprs is miraculously used twice,to pay the 18 or 19 billion defecit this year and spend money on non earning infrastructure like schools and hospitals...
    When thats done we borrow more do we? from bond markets already freaking out at our debt levels and the same ones we've just burned? further increasing the national debt by 20 billion a year plus interest or is there oil under parnell square or what?

    Tell us..


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