anyone here going to vote sinn féin?

thetonynator · 06-02-2011 10:46PM

SEVERA wrote: »

vote sinn fein.I would if i could but i cant, no candidate for sinn fein in south kerry. but i implore anyone that has a sinn fein candidate to give them there no1 vote they are the only party who would bring about radical change and give the people of Ireland hope, fg/ lab will do nothing as i have already outlined in the SOUTH KERRY thread. please give sinn fein the chance we have nothing to lose were already broke,rudderless,corrupt and nearly half a million unemployed! Its a no brainer :rolleyes:

The only way voting for sinn fein could be considered to be a no brainer is that you would only vote for them if you had no brain. They would bring sbout radical change: by removing any hope of us ever getting out of this bloody mess.

Pete_Cavan · 06-02-2011 10:48PM

SEVERA wrote: »

vote sinn fein.I would if i could but i cant, no candidate for sinn fein in south kerry. but i implore anyone that has a sinn fein candidate to give them there no1 vote they are the only party who would bring about radical change and give the people of Ireland hope, fg/ lab will do nothing as i have already outlined in the SOUTH KERRY thread. please give sinn fein the chance we have nothing to lose were already broke,rudderless,corrupt and nearly half a million unemployed! Its a no brainer :rolleyes:

Except that SFs plan would see us worse off. I have already explained why in post #416 on this thread. The fact that none of the SF supporters here can justify how SFs plan can work and they all avoid responding to any posts to do with the economy tells you what a joke of a party they are. Voting for SF is ignoring the reality of the situation we are in.

Davros64 · 06-02-2011 10:51PM

I would do if I could. Not because they're a panacea to all the ills of the nation, but at least they fit in my broad aspirations to, eventually, see a united Ireland.

A little woolly and utopian currently but we shouldn't lose sight of what our ancestors died for.

And better than the former mainstream alternatives of FF & FG who have both proved themselves woefully unable to deal with the pressures of trying to run a modern nation-state.

I sincerely believe SF, in conjunction with Labour & Independents can help bring about the change Ireland drastically needs.

Capt'n Midnight · 06-02-2011 10:52PM

Just to show people the sort of word twisting / rhetoric that I despise SF for.

I pointed out Gerry is well used to keeping secrets, which is only natural given the political climate at the time and his experiences. You quoted it. I gave an example of the political climate and pointed out it was ancient history. You quoted it.

And then you go off on a tangent about the evils of internment. So let me repeat what I said and what you quoted me as saying it's ancient history, it ended in 1975.

If you want to convince people that SF have changed and represent a new option you have to loose the victim mentality, you have to loose the "but they did it too" and stand up and be counted, to be in government you have to compromise even just a little , because otherwise the moderates may split from the hardliners yet again.

Chipboard wrote: »

Capt'n Midnight wrote:

Gerry has been on the run and been interred, ancient history of course, but point is he is well used to keeping secret as are many of the older members of the party.

No he hasn't been interred, he has been interned.

Do you know what interned means? It means he has been imprisoned without trial. Are you saying that if someone throws you in jail without trial it is a blemish on your character. Do you think maybe that if they have to resort to internment, maybe it is because they had to put the person away for political reasons i.e. because a trial would not have resulted in a conviction.

They use of internment is one of the biggest indictments of the British Government, and God knows there are many.

Its no wonder that FF keep getting voted in with the extensive knowledge of history we have among us.

Capt'n Midnight · 06-02-2011 10:59PM

Chipboard wrote: »

What could possibly happen under Sinn Fein that would be worse than the events of the last 5 years?

A civil war ?

Actually happened the last time we had a Sinn Fein government. :pac:

Capt'n Midnight · 06-02-2011 11:06PM

johnmcdnl wrote: »

if you put an X on your vote it still counts

it's for people who aren't able to write so they can vote for their first preference they don't get a second vote though but if he's only voting for one person well it'll work :cool:

At the discretion of the returning office.

Much safer to use numbers.

Davros64 · 06-02-2011 11:08PM

Maybe if that had been sorted out properly (as in the civil war), then the state wouldn't be in the mess we are now....

SEVERA · 06-02-2011 11:18PM

Pete_Cavan wrote: »

Except that SFs plan would see us worse off. I have already explained why in post #416 on this thread. The fact that none of the SF supporters here can justify how SFs plan can work and they all avoid responding to any posts to do with the economy tells you what a joke of a party they are. Voting for SF is ignoring the reality of the situation we are in.

hey you guys are like the people in the titanic listening to the bloody music being played by rabbit, kenny, hogan burton and being conducted softly by noonan with his little finger pointing to the stary night sky.
get real! snap out of it! pearse docherty,gerry adams,and joe higgins are in charge of the lifeboats now get on them or lose whats left of your sanity, this other plan is doomed before it even starts. Ireland cannot afford this imf/eu deal even if they get the interest rate down to 4.5% , please deal with reality and have some courage.your children will thank you for it.

leincar · 06-02-2011 11:28PM

Davros64 wrote: »

Maybe if that had been sorted out properly (as in the civil war), then the state wouldn't be in the mess we are now....

Is this where I get to say "You bastards started the last one"

westdub15 · 06-02-2011 11:29PM

my 80 year old grandfather has voted Fianna Fail all his life and his father worshiped Dev told me today he will be voting Sinn Fein. I'll be voting for them too, a lot of people would refuse to vote for them because of issues in the past all the while calling the unionists in the north bigoted and backwards for their hesitation in going into government with them.

Ghost Estate · 06-02-2011 11:49PM

They are not FF or the Greens, thats enough of a reason to vote for them.

Rafa1977 · 07-02-2011 12:15AM

Jim236 wrote: »

They're in favour of abolishing the Seanad in its current form which I assume means reducing its size and making it fully electable - http://www.sinnfein.ie/sinn-fein-priorities-for-the-next-dail

One of their councillors that is running stated to me that they would look to cut the numbers and their salary and to reform but not to abolish it.

sharkie66 · 07-02-2011 12:54AM

Capt'n Midnight wrote: »

A civil war ?

Actually happened the last time we had a Sinn Fein government. :pac:

Pot calling the kettle..... Capt! And you telling the rest of us to GET REAL!! WoW:eek:

Completely off the wall comment there! A Civil War.....get real and try and make your Peace with history. we are all supposed to be moving on from that type of politics but obviously you secretly yearn for some type of a return to violence judging by that comment. I can't believe you even thought of that! It shows us all here what is really in the deep recess of your mind.

Peace and love will triumph and Sinn Fein are promoters of this wonderful ideal

takun · 07-02-2011 01:01AM

sharkie66 wrote: »

Peace and love will triumph and Sinn Fein are promoters of this wonderful ideal

That creates an interesting image in my head. I'm seeing Gerry, Mary Lou et al in flowing kaftans strewing the path to the polling station with flowers while rattling their love beads in time to the sound of Joan Baez. Groovy. Peace man.

SafeSurfer · 07-02-2011 01:49AM

Ghost Estate wrote: »

They are not FF or the Greens, thats enough of a reason to vote for them.

Your post does not make sense. FG, Labour, ULA and PBP are also not FF or the Greens is that also enough of a reason to vote for them?

carfiosaoorl · 07-02-2011 02:15AM

Sinn Féin will definitely be getting my vote, they always do. I have my fingers and toes crossed that we do well

fred252 · 07-02-2011 12:57PM

ankasamun wrote: »

Ruadhán Mac Aodháin Sinn Fein posters vandalised in Rathmines. Someone posted anti-Sinn Fein slogans across the front of them

jayzus, they have a candidate in dublin south east. what a waste of time.

still, its not on to be vanalising posters. what slogans were on them?

Capt'n Midnight · 07-02-2011 01:01PM

sharkie66 wrote: »

Capt'n Midnight wrote:

A civil war ?

Actually happened the last time we had a Sinn Fein government. :pac:

Pot calling the kettle..... Capt! And you telling the rest of us to GET REAL!! WoW:eek:

Completely off the wall comment there! A Civil War.....get real and try and make your Peace with history. we are all supposed to be moving on from that type of politics but obviously you secretly yearn for some type of a return to violence judging by that comment. I can't believe you even thought of that! It shows us all here what is really in the deep recess of your mind.

Peace and love will triumph and Sinn Fein are promoters of this wonderful ideal

I take it you are not familiar with humour based on the Dr Pepper ads where they ask what's the worst that could happen ?

Do you know what :pac: means ?

There is also the "it's funny 'cos it's true" aspect to the fact that there was a civil war when the original Sinn Fein were in power in the "oh wait" style. You can't claim to have changed and still be the Sinn Fein that won most of the seats back in 1918. Any reference to the government of Ireland prior to and during the civil war bears no reference to todays organisation that has the same name. Especially since all persons involved are now deceased. This makes it even funnier because I couldn't possibly be referring to the Sinn Fein of today when you consider how little if any of the original Sinn Fein from there remained after multiple splits where the larger part of the party / representatives left.

But then you accuse me of wanting a return to violence, based on what exactly ?

I just have to ask how you can make that connection unless you are projecting your own thoughts.

Sorry to go off topic but this sort of distorting / twisting is IMHO typical of SF debates and speeches. The gun has been out of politics down here since the blueshirts at the latest. Political Violence is a non-issue down here because there isn't any. We can't have a return because there wasn't any. Does this mean that SF are primarialy interested in the North ? No, but many of the supporters are. Would this affect the southern TD's focus, I would hope not but it has been shown that Gerry wasn't as up to speed on our issues as you would like or expect.

Cal_Egle · 07-02-2011 05:36PM

I just read the FF General Election Manifesto .... It must go down as one of the greatest works of Fiction ever

In Micheal Martins opening statement, he is claiming the Finances have stabilised and that Unemployment is coming down.... Seriously guys, I thought Micheal Martin was the new beginning for FF... Its just more of the same lies... Unemployment is coming down because 100,000 have emmigrated in the last 12 months, with another 100,000 expected to leave over the next 12-18 months, and Micheal Martin is taking credit for this and looking on this as a positive..... Finances have stabilised ??? PAYE fell by 7% in the last quarter.... that is the average Joe/Jane Bloggs not earning an income and paying tax from working... Is MM for real??? Does he expect us to swallow this b*llsh&t and vote FF back in ? Seriously, does he believe we will, or is he telling us all this tongue in cheek to parody a real party leader...

The FG leadership dont want to face the public in debates... so who wants to vote for them,

The Green Party want to go into government with absolutely anyone (they said that last night on the week in Politics)....

Labour, noone has a clue what their policies are .... and that includes Labour...

So why not Sinn Fein??? They may not lead the next government, but it will be a good slap in the mouth to all the other parties that we are fed up with their lies and crap...

emamcl · 07-02-2011 06:58PM

Anyone know why TV3 are only having a 3 way leader debate tomorrow night (or maybe just 2 if Enda doesn't turn up) - surely there are 5 core parties so why are Sinn Fein not being represented in the debate?

Seems insulting to all those voters who plan backing Sinn Fein...

LordSutch · 07-02-2011 07:03PM

Cal_Egle wrote: »

So why not Sinn Fein??? They may not lead the next government, but it will be a good slap in the mouth to all the other parties that we are fed up with their lies and crap...

Far too much baggage, too much hurt, and too many bad memories, Sinn Fein are/were the political wing of the Provisional IRA, hence most peoples dislike, obviously if you are aware of this^ then thats your choice. Personally I can't stomach them or what they stand for.

terenc · 07-02-2011 08:14PM

Gerry Adams and SF should take a crash course in economics even basic maths. He talks about corruption and dishonesty well maybe he should look a bit closer to home and the bodies of innoncent people that the IRA buried where he is running for election.

westdub15 · 07-02-2011 09:47PM

LordSutch wrote: »

Far too much baggage, too much hurt, and too many bad memories, Sinn Fein are/were the political wing of the Provisional IRA, hence most peoples dislike, obviously if you are aware of this^ then thats your choice. Personally I can't stomach them or what they stand for.

yet the unionists in the north who have experienced the worst of the Provisional IRA can stomach going into government with them, time to move on.

SEVERA · 07-02-2011 10:04PM

yes i agree well said this holier

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thou attitude is bringing the whole debate down, as for

TV

3 the do plan to have a 5 party debate after the 3 party debate, this was announced by

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presence last week and she

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personally

i agree it should be just 1 five party debate

Junco Partner · 07-02-2011 10:05PM

i probably would after labour though its time for the left to have a chance

caseyann · 07-02-2011 11:30PM

LordSutch wrote: »

Far too much baggage, too much hurt, and too many bad memories, Sinn Fein are/were the political wing of the Provisional IRA, hence most peoples dislike, obviously if you are aware of this^ then thats your choice. Personally I can't stomach them or what they stand for.

Ah but British murdered and degraded Irish people and treated them like **** for decades,and they have the same people who backed up their terrorist elements along with their Judaical element on these horrendous bigoted racist crimes in politics and we are meant to forget and forgive and accept them.
A bit double standard eh when Sinn Féin were the ones who committed to the cease fire and without them there would have been none.
Kiss loyalist butt and dirty our own.
This rubbish makes my blood boil.

Turn a thread of will you be voting Sinn Féin to a thread on bashing.

gsxr1 · 07-02-2011 11:36PM

Past history put aside .

I was always a SF voter both sides of the border .

But watching Pearse Doherty on Frontline right now is giving me major second thoughts. I think their hap-hazard way of dealing with the black hole could destroy a already broken country. They are great at a community level all the same.

I have just become Undecided .. feck...

Pete_Cavan · 07-02-2011 11:37PM

It tells you what a joke of a party SF are that their supporters here only want to defend them against claims that they are terrorists and ignore posts questioning their economics policies. Even their supporters cant explain their economics policies.

whippet · 07-02-2011 11:43PM

Pete_Cavan wrote: »

It tells you what a joke of a party SF are that their supporters here only want to defend them against claims that they are terrorists and ignore posts questioning their economics policies. Even their supporters cant explain their economics policies.

Their economic policies fantasies are just headlines to attract angry voters who don't read anything below a banner headline and SF know they will not be in a position to implement them ...so in essence it's a form of getting votes by false promises

NotorietyH · 07-02-2011 11:47PM

Anyone who is thinking of voting for Sinn Fein should have watched or should watch on RTE Player, tonight's episode of Frontline. I can't imagine anyone walking away from it thinking that Sinn Fein's economic policy is anything but reckless, misguided and incredibly dangerous. A muddled performance from Pearse Doherty where he avoided answering most questions by dancing around the question asked and gave very confusing replies to the questions he did answer. They had an independent economist on the panel who basically said that Sinn Fein's economic policy was barely worth discussing because it made so little sense.

I can understand people wanting to vote for Sinn Fein as either a protest vote or just the desire to see a change in the staus quo of the government, but I can't see their economic policies leading to anything but complete disaster for the country.

anyone here going to vote sinn féin?

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