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anyone here going to vote sinn féin?

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  • #332
    Xclusiv Barber
    Closed Accounts Posts: 117 ✭✭Xclusiv Barber


    The vast majority of voters are over 40yrs old. Yes? Of that, the vast majority of those will never vote SF. They will hit much bigger numbers but will be out voted at the older majority end of electorate. However, in 10-15 yrs time.....?


  • #333
    Pete_Cavan
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,360 ✭✭✭Pete_Cavan


    Jim236 wrote: »
    Well if we separate the sovereign debt from the private debt, we wouldn't be defaulting because the sovereign debt is managable. But if we don't do this, we will default, with or without the bailout.

    Bullsh*t. Iceland separated banking debt and sovereign debt and they still needed the IMF to bail them out because they couldnt get money from the bond markets. SF want us to default on banking debt like Iceland but want us to reject the IMF unlike Iceland. Their plan cannot work. There is no way the bond markets will lend us the €18bn we need for this year if we default on billions of euro worth of loans because they know there is no way they will ever get their money back.

    I'll take it you have accepted the fallacy that is SFs plan to use the NPRF to cover this years deficit (even though it is not enough) and also use the same money for a stimulus package, and for its primary purpose ie. paying pensions in the future. Using the NPRF to cover the deficit will see it all used up (therefore nothing left for the stimulus) and it does not see a return from covering the deficit so we have no money left for future pensions either. Sinn Feins plan does not work.


  • #334
    Banbh
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,037 ✭✭✭Banbh


    Better to stick with the FF-GR plan. That really worked - if you're a millionaire.


  • #335
    whoopdedoo
    Closed Accounts Posts: 503 ✭✭✭whoopdedoo


    henryporter wrote: »
    After watching Pierse Doherty on Primetime on Wednesday last an emphatic NO! - I can't believe that the sum total of Sinn Fein's economic policies are to take what remains of the Pension Fund an what is on reserve in the Central Bank and use that to p!ss away on one years Public Expenditure while not having any idea what to do next year, while at the same time allowing us to become alienated by anyone willing to ever lend us money on the future (unless they're aiming to make us the first sub-prime Country!)

    correct me if I'm but didn't the ECB/IMF/Goldman Sachs screw us out of our €19,000,000,000 pension reserves b4 they'd give us the €85,000,000,000 loan?!?

    we are broke are we not?


  • #336
    Capt'n Midnight
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    disgruntled voter wrote: »
    Yes SF here.
    Sick of the 3 main Parties trying to outdo each other on promises.
    Good oppoition needed in next dail.
    Just my take on it anyway.
    Actually SF are promising more than anyone, they are the only party proposing to roll back recent cuts and increase government spending

    And there is the little matter of dropping the debt which in anyone's books is quite probably the biggest financial promise ever in the history of Irish politics.


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  • #337
    Capt'n Midnight
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    lugha wrote: »
    Well at least that is a sensible reason to vote for them. They certainly will be a different type of opposition to FF.
    But for those who will vote SF because they approve of their policies, that will never be implemented because they won't be in power ...... :rolleyes:
    Though I can't help commenting that they won't be a different type of opposition seeing has how they have been in opposition for bleedin' ages and the rhetoric, spin etc, hasn't really changed all that much over time.

    Unless I'm very much mistaken they have been in opposition longer than any other party.


  • #338
    Chipboard
    Closed Accounts Posts: 427 ✭✭Chipboard


    I'm shocked that the boards.ie poll has FG and Lab way out in front. They're no different to FF - they're taking the IMF Dollar and forcing us to pay for the sins of Irelands elite.

    If they get in and they mortgage us up to our eyeballs I am going take my name off the Electoral Register and never watch another current affairs programme again.

    I dont intend to be telling my grandkids in 40 years time that I voted for this ridiculous plan.


  • #339
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 0 ✭ [Deleted User]


    So whats your solution?


  • #340
    SafeSurfer
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,147 ✭✭✭SafeSurfer


    dabestman1 wrote: »
    Im just reading the posts about the apparent links of crime to Aengus o snodaigh, sounds like SF bashiing to me. Anyway, Remember Judge Curtain, caught with Child Porn, ran as a councillor for the PDs and Michael McDowell campaigned for him, so by your logic is Michael McDowell a Paedophile?

    So you would criticise Michael Mc Dowell for canvassing with a paedophile before he became aware of it but will not criticise Gerry Adams for canvassing with his paedophile brother Liam after he became of aware of it? Is this not hyprocritical?

    Extract from Suzanne Breen Article, full atricle here http://www.tribune.ie/article/2010/jan/24/the-truth-about-gerry-adams-has-been-dragged-kicki/

    The day after the Gorman interview, Adams told RTÉ that, on hearing Liam was in Sinn Féin, he "moved immediately" to stop his Dáil nomination and "to get him dumped out of Sinn Féin... I moved very, very quickly".



    The following Sunday we printed material that proved that he was lying. We published photographs of Gerry Adams canvassing in June in the 1997 Dáil election campaign with the brother he believed was a paedophile and from whom he was allegedly estranged. This canvass occurred eight months after Gerry Adams said Liam had been "dumped" from the party.



    The Adams brothers were seen laughing on the canvass in a shopping centre and on Dundalk streets. Liam was proudly sporting a Sinn Féin badge. Liam's Sinn Féin colleagues from Dundalk gave us details of his extensive involvement in the party and how he "breathed new life into the Muirhevnamor cumann", setting up many community schemes and always talking about his brother.



    We also revealed that it wasn't Gerry Adams who stopped Liam becoming the party's Dáil candidate. Republicans present at the selection convention said Liam Adams had entered the convention, which was chaired by Caoimhghín Ó Caoláin, as a candidate. But when he saw that the crowd was strongly in favour of his rival, Hanratty, he stood up and announced he was withdrawing from the race. Minutes were taken of the meeting. Again, Gerry Adams had lied.



    Sinn Féin Louth TD Arthur Morgan rushed to his leader's defence. Liam Adams had been a member of Sinn Féin, he admitted, but he'd played a minor, short-lived role. He "was never a party officer".



    The following week's Sunday Tribune proved that was completely untrue. We revealed that Liam Adams had been Sinn Féin's most senior official in Co Louth. He was chairman of the Louth comhairle ceantair, liaising directly with the leadership. Morgan would later claim this had "slipped his memory".

    Multo autem ad rem magis pertinet quallis tibi vide aris quam allis



  • #341
    Chipboard
    Closed Accounts Posts: 427 ✭✭Chipboard


    Deleted User wrote: »
    So whats your solution?

    My solution is to let the free Market operate. Do you know that the US government was asked to inject $30bn to save Lehman Bros and they wouldn't write that cheque, and FF are prepared to write a cheque for €80bn (over $100bn) in this little Island of 4m odd people - it's ludicrous and if you want to know why their doing it go to the following post

    http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?p=70475017


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  • #342
    Chipboard
    Closed Accounts Posts: 427 ✭✭Chipboard


    By the way, the whole Nama project is based around this term "long term economic value". There is no such thing. It's a made up concept with no basis. There are a number of ways to value an asset and long term economic value isn't one of them. As Morgan Freeman said in the Shawshank Redemption, it's a made up term so that the guys in Nama can wear a suit and have a job (little poetic licence used here).

    The correct way to value the assets going into Nama would by yield (would result in a very low value for income producing assets and mo value for residential developments and land) or by net present value NPV (which would result in a close to nil value as they will have wait so long to liquidate them). The Nama set up is designed to try and hide the time value of money (a dollar today is worth more than a dollar in ten years time).

    We are paying for this.


  • #343
    Capt'n Midnight
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    Xclusiv Barber wrote: »
    The vast majority of voters are over 40yrs old. Yes? Of that, the vast majority of those will never vote SF. They will hit much bigger numbers but will be out voted at the older majority end of electorate. However, in 10-15 yrs time.....?
    In 10-15 years time most of those voters will have grown out of it. Just like previous generations.


  • #344
    sharkie66
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 129 ✭✭sharkie66


    Have a gawk at this article boys and girls and any doubting Thomas amongst posters out there!

    http://www.examiner.ie/ireland/sf-jobs-plan-is-well-worked-out-and-deserves-to-be-taken-seriously-144204.html#ixzz1CzbfzUuh

    I see Labour are moving closer and closer to Sinn Fein's stance with Gilmore doing his Angry Man stunt. How FG can do business with Lab will be interesting to see!!


  • #345
    UDAWINNER
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 860 ✭✭✭UDAWINNER


    SafeSurfer wrote: »
    So you would criticise Michael Mc Dowell for canvassing with a paedophile before he became aware of it but will not criticise Gerry Adams for canvassing with his paedophile brother Liam after he became of aware of it? Is this not hyprocritical?

    Extract from Suzanne Breen Article, full atricle here http://www.tribune.ie/article/2010/jan/24/the-truth-about-gerry-adams-has-been-dragged-kicki/

    The day after the Gorman interview, Adams told RTÉ that, on hearing Liam was in Sinn Féin, he "moved immediately" to stop his Dáil nomination and "to get him dumped out of Sinn Féin... I moved very, very quickly".



    The following Sunday we printed material that proved that he was lying. We published photographs of Gerry Adams canvassing in June in the 1997 Dáil election campaign with the brother he believed was a paedophile and from whom he was allegedly estranged. This canvass occurred eight months after Gerry Adams said Liam had been "dumped" from the party.



    The Adams brothers were seen laughing on the canvass in a shopping centre and on Dundalk streets. Liam was proudly sporting a Sinn Féin badge. Liam's Sinn Féin colleagues from Dundalk gave us details of his extensive involvement in the party and how he "breathed new life into the Muirhevnamor cumann", setting up many community schemes and always talking about his brother.



    We also revealed that it wasn't Gerry Adams who stopped Liam becoming the party's Dáil candidate. Republicans present at the selection convention said Liam Adams had entered the convention, which was chaired by Caoimhghín Ó Caoláin, as a candidate. But when he saw that the crowd was strongly in favour of his rival, Hanratty, he stood up and announced he was withdrawing from the race. Minutes were taken of the meeting. Again, Gerry Adams had lied.



    Sinn Féin Louth TD Arthur Morgan rushed to his leader's defence. Liam Adams had been a member of Sinn Féin, he admitted, but he'd played a minor, short-lived role. He "was never a party officer".



    The following week's Sunday Tribune proved that was completely untrue. We revealed that Liam Adams had been Sinn Féin's most senior official in Co Louth. He was chairman of the Louth comhairle ceantair, liaising directly with the leadership. Morgan would later claim this had "slipped his memory".


    Everyone has a relation to be ashamed of, meanwhile Bertie selected a certain person to the senate despite this person being accused of rape not once but twice and also gave him a lead role in dublin port.


  • #346
    SafeSurfer
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,147 ✭✭✭SafeSurfer


    UDAWINNER wrote: »
    Everyone has a relation to be ashamed of, meanwhile Bertie selected a certain person to the senate despite this person being accused of rape not once but twice and also gave him a lead role in dublin port.

    The facts are that Joe Burke was the partner of an FF senator Maria Corrigan. The DPP dropped charges against Burke in November 2008.
    So Gerry Adams has shown how ashamed he is of his child abusing brother by canvassing with him, attending his wedding and allowing him to be a senior party member in both county Louth and west Belfast?

    How can Gerry Adams have any credibility in condemning Clerical Child Sexual Abuse and its cover up when he protected his paedophile brother?

    The Sinn Fein constitution states : "Where allegations of sexual harassment and sexual assault are made, they should be referred directly to an ard chomhairle."

    So the leader of Sinn Fein disregarded the constitution of the party of which he is leader.

    As for Bertie Ahern's nomination of a person accused twice of rape to the Port authority I find it disgusting and shameful.

    However Bertie Ahern's actions don't make Gerry Adam's protection of a paedophile any less serious. It simply means that a former and present leader of 2 of the country's main political parties have no credibility.

    Of the 2 only one, Gerry Adams is seeking to be elected in the forthcoming general election.

    Multo autem ad rem magis pertinet quallis tibi vide aris quam allis



  • #347
    sharkie66
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 129 ✭✭sharkie66


    SafeSurfer wrote: »
    The facts are that Joe Burke was the partner of an FF senator Maria Corrigan. The DPP dropped charges against Burke in November 2008.
    So Gerry Adams has shown how ashamed he is of his child abusing brother by canvassing with him, attending his wedding and allowing him to be a senior party member in both county Louth and west Belfast?

    How can Gerry Adams have any credibility in condemning Clerical Child Sexual Abuse and its cover up when he protected his paedophile brother?

    The Sinn Fein constitution states : "Where allegations of sexual harassment and sexual assault are made, they should be referred directly to an ard chomhairle."

    So the leader of Sinn Fein disregarded the constitution of the party of which he is leader.

    As for Bertie Ahern's nomination of a person accused twice of rape to the Port authority I find it disgusting and shameful.

    However Bertie Ahern's actions don't make Gerry Adam's protection of a paedophile any less serious. It simply means that a former and present leader of 2 of the country's main political parties have no credibility.

    Of the 2 only one, Gerry Adams is seeking to be elected in the forthcoming general election.



    SS,
    It is obvious at this stage that you are not going to vote for Sinn Fein. Bringing up hearsay by the likes of a dodgy Independent Newspaper pen pusher, namely ms Breen to qualify your dodgy argument is tiresome.

    We all know why you will not vote for SF at this stage and anything else you say is more information than we need to be perfectly honest!

    There is another thread on boards.ie which deals with your tedious slant on things i.e. 'Why I won't be voting for SF'.

    Surely you could do us all a favour and add something to THIS thread re voting for SF rather than the constant harping on about hearsay and links from the pro British Sindo Independent newspapers and Sindo Tribune.
    :) beir bua


  • #348
    fuked
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3 ✭fuked


    I feel that SF couldn't do any worse than what has already been done to our lovely country Ireland!!! As for FF and not forgetting the Greens... Well they have done more that the British have in 700 years. They destroyed it!

    FG, Labour, FF, Greens, Independents, the defunked PD's have all contributed to this, as they have all been in power in some way over the years. If it weren't for such a party like SF, who might I add were kept out of the policitical arena for years. And don't forget, all the parties have blood on their hands show how or other. So, if anyone wants to know something or have action taken, just go to your local SF councilor / TD and you will get both a reply and action taken.

    I guess its all over now, bar the shouting, and I bet David Camoron is rubbing his has with glee.


  • #349
    SafeSurfer
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,147 ✭✭✭SafeSurfer


    sharkie66 wrote: »
    SS,
    It is obvious at this stage that you are not going to vote for Sinn Fein. Bringing up hearsay by the likes of a dodgy Independent Newspaper pen pusher, namely ms Breen to qualify your dodgy argument is tiresome.

    We all know why you will not vote for SF at this stage and anything else you say is more information than we need to be perfectly honest!

    There is another thread on boards.ie which deals with your tedious slant on things i.e. 'Why I won't be voting for SF'.

    Surely you could do us all a favour and add something to THIS thread re voting for SF rather than the constant harping on about hearsay and links from the pro British Sindo Independent newspapers and Sindo Tribune.
    :) beir bua

    The thread title is "anyone here going to vote Sinn Fein".

    This is a question, is it not? So the thread would equally be of interest to those who are intent on voting Sinn Fein, those who are intent on not voting Sinn Fein and the undecided.

    As a citizen and a voter I am expressing my opinion on why I believe one of the candidates in the general election and the leader of one of the parties contesting the election, Gerry Adams has a serious integrity and credibility issue in relation to his membership of the provisional IRA and in the protection of his brother who sexually abused his daughter.

    You say that

    We all know why you will not vote for SF at this stage and anything else you say is more information than we need to be perfectly honest!

    My point is that more information is needed. More questions need to be asked of Mr. Adams in relation to the issues I have raised.

    How can we have "more information than we need" when seeking the truth?

    It may be convenient if the issues surrounding Gerry Adam's credibility stopped being raised and this thread could be solely for posters who share the same point of view.

    However there are posters here who believe it is worth questioning the integrity of all politicians who seek our support. These posters remain, like the questions surrounding Gerry Adam's credibility.
    "They haven't gone away you know."

    Multo autem ad rem magis pertinet quallis tibi vide aris quam allis



  • #350
    SafeSurfer
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,147 ✭✭✭SafeSurfer


    fuked wrote: »
    I feel that SF couldn't do any worse than what has already been done to our lovely country Ireland!!! As for FF and not forgetting the Greens... Well they have done more that the British have in 700 years. They destroyed it!

    FG, Labour, FF, Greens, Independents, the defunked PD's have all contributed to this, as they have all been in power in some way over the years. If it weren't for such a party like SF, who might I add were kept out of the policitical arena for years. And don't forget, all the parties have blood on their hands show how or other. So, if anyone wants to know something or have action taken, just go to your local SF councilor / TD and you will get both a reply and action taken.

    I guess its all over now, bar the shouting, and I bet David Camoron is rubbing his has with glee.

    Are you serious. The second oldest political party on the island kept out of the political arena for years? That was the policy of the party, it was called abstentionism. It ended in 1981 with the election of Booby Sands MP. This decision was summed up by Danny Morrison when he said at an Ard Fheis


    "Who here really believes we can win the war through the ballot box? But will anyone here object if, with a ballot paper in this hand and an Armalite in the other, we take power in Ireland?".

    Multo autem ad rem magis pertinet quallis tibi vide aris quam allis



  • #351
    SafeSurfer
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,147 ✭✭✭SafeSurfer


    fuked wrote: »
    I
    And don't forget, all the parties have blood on their hands show how or other. .

    How do, for example the Green party have blood on their hands?

    Multo autem ad rem magis pertinet quallis tibi vide aris quam allis



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  • #352
    Xclusiv Barber
    Closed Accounts Posts: 117 ✭✭Xclusiv Barber


    Capt'n Midnight wrote: »
    In 10-15 years time most of those voters will have grown out of it. Just like previous generations.

    good point. Reality will hav kicked in once independence, marriage, mortgage, kids etc kicks in. I'm inclined to agree. The folly of youth eh....


  • #353
    Alastriona73
    Closed Accounts Posts: 13 ✭Alastriona73


    I will be voting for SF because

    1. I hate FF
    2. I really really hate FG
    3. A vote for Labour is a vote for FG


  • #354
    fuked
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3 ✭fuked


    With all the creditibility questions flying round. Who are the next government going to be? It looks like that Gerry Adams may have some questions to answer, but so have all the rest. So while we wait for an answer to the questions, like through the tribunal system. The country goes down the pan.
    Now, it looks like SF don't have as many questions as the other parties have to answer. Since they never really got a chance to run Ireland. So why not give SF a crack at the whip for a change... Or SF and Labour in power and have some focus on the working class people of Ireland and give them back the dignity! If anyone thinks that none of the politicial parties in Ireland have no questions to answer, their wrong!

    As for who I'll be voting for. Well SF of course, and just to add I have 4 children of voting age that have partners, who I will ask to vote for SF., because I feel SF can do the job!


  • #355
    fuked
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3 ✭fuked


    SafeSurfer wrote: »
    How do, for example the Green party have blood on their hands?

    Think of the people who have taken their lives over the debt they were left in after the ecomony caved in. Good hard working people, who have paid taxes all their lives and raised families. And small business people going to the wall and having to lay workers off.

    The Green party knew who and what they were getting into with FF, but their hunger for power and greed for a big wage made them hold on in government for longer than they should have.


  • #356
    Damer
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 130 ✭✭Damer


    It's a no from me!


  • #357
    SafeSurfer
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,147 ✭✭✭SafeSurfer


    fuked wrote: »
    Think of the people who have taken their lives over the debt they were left in after the ecomony caved in. Good hard working people, who have paid taxes all their lives and raised families. And small business people going to the wall and having to lay workers off.

    The Green party knew who and what they were getting into with FF, but their hunger for power and greed for a big wage made them hold on in government for longer than they should have.

    So the Green party have blood on their hands becuase the decisions they have made led people to commit suicide?

    Would you therefore say that if an individual made a decision to end a relationship with someone who subsequently chose to commit suicide, that they too have blood on their hands?

    Multo autem ad rem magis pertinet quallis tibi vide aris quam allis



  • #358
    sharkie66
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 129 ✭✭sharkie66


    SafeSurfer

    We all know why you will not vote for SF at this stage and anything else you say is more information than we need to be perfectly honest!

    My point is that more information is needed. More questions need to be asked of Mr. Adams in relation to the issues I have raised.

    How can we have "more information than we need" when seeking the truth?


    My point is that the information you are providing is very very dodgy and as you haven't once supplied us here with CREDIBLE evidence maybe you might be better off on the other thread related to SF bashing.

    Regarding the title of the thread i.e. 'anyone here going to vote for Sinn Fein...' My point is that you have stated your case and we are all fine with it but the constant SF bashing is tedious because you keep stating unsupported hearsay!

    Please supply the credible evidence for all your assertions and put the rest of us out of misery...thanks.


  • #359
    UDAWINNER
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 860 ✭✭✭UDAWINNER


    SafeSurfer wrote: »
    How do, for example the Green party have blood on their hands?
    Innocent Iraqis and Afghanis, because they don't have the balls to carry out checks at shannon airports, a thing they promised when in opposition.


  • #360
    LordSutch
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12,076 ✭✭✭✭LordSutch


    fuked wrote: »
    I feel that SF couldn't do any worse than what has already been done to our lovely country Ireland!!! As for FF and not forgetting the Greens... Well they have done more that the British have in 700 years. They destroyed it!

    I think you'll find they built it!

    And Sinn Fein will wreck it. if they ever get in, although that's not going to be anytime soon :)


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  • #361
    zig
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,206 ✭✭✭zig


    sharkie66 wrote: »
    Have a gawk at this article boys and girls and any doubting Thomas amongst posters out there!

    http://www.examiner.ie/ireland/sf-jobs-plan-is-well-worked-out-and-deserves-to-be-taken-seriously-144204.html#ixzz1CzbfzUuh

    I see Labour are moving closer and closer to Sinn Fein's stance with Gilmore doing his Angry Man stunt.
    Ive really noticed that one recently, cringe worthy to be honest, but id really love to see a Lab/SF alliance.


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