Enda is afraid of Vincent.

ejmaztec · 05-02-2011 12:57PM

It was unfortunate for FG that the attempted leadership coup wasn't successful in getting rid of Enda all those months ago. They could have had someone with balls to take on Vincent or anyone else, but they fucked up, leaving the wet lettuce-leaf to take them into the election. He's going to cost them an outright majority.

sollar · 05-02-2011 01:10PM

ejmaztec wrote: »

It was unfortunate for FG that the attempted leadership coup wasn't successful in getting rid of Enda all those months ago. They could have had someone with balls to take on Vincent or anyone else, but they fucked up, leaving the wet lettuce-leaf to take them into the election. He's going to cost them an outright majority.

Also, after hearing of the exchange of views between Sarkozy and Cowan over the corp tax. We will need a strong leader for the next round in march. How is Enda going to deal with that? I'm getting worried now if he can't even face Vincent.

Duckworth_Luas · 05-02-2011 01:46PM

Will be voting for Luke Ming Flanagan myself. FG will get the first two seats in my constituency, the third is down to Ming and some random Fianna Failure. A vote for Ming is therefore a solid vote against the FF kleptocracy.

Enda is going to be the next Taoiseach. Personally I can't wait. The last time we had a decent, trustworthy government the leader was John Bruton. Bruton got the same media treatment that Enda is getting now. It didn't stop him being an excellent Taoiseach in an excellent government.

Sadly the dumbass people of Ireland decided to remove that FG/Labour/DL coalition and replace it with Dirty Bertie and his criminal gang of shelfish hoors. Not only that but the stupid fcukers voted the shower of greedy backstards in twice more.

FF have always used the media to promote themselves. Bertie would have given an interview when he was on the jacks and the media loved him for that.

Instead, Enda is now dictating to the media how he wants things done. For an opposition party leader he is in a powerful position. Recently he showed up late and left early from a press conference. The media hate being treated like this but they hate being told what to do even worse.

Enda brought his party back from the death. We saw the FFs run for the hills when the going got tough. When in the same situation Kenny stood his ground and eventually brought about a miraculous recovery in FG fortunes.

Ronin247 · 05-02-2011 01:48PM

Ricardo G wrote: »

Same old story with everyone of them, they make me sick to the core. Every politician will only answer the simple questions and avoid the real questions at all expense. Cowards every one of them !! Why cant a politician just be honest for once? i for one would respect him/her for telling the truth even if the answer was'nt the one i liked.... Throw all these amateurs into the liffey and let someone capable get on with the **** they caused for the last 20 years:mad:

snyper wrote: »

Because we dont want to hear the truth.

The country is ****ed and they cant afford to run it. It they tell you that they need to cut the dole in half and all other social benefits, i reckon they wont get voted in

+1. To Quote Jack Nicholson "You can't handle the truth!!!"

Enda Kenny has the election won,the only decision we have to make is by how many seats and will it be an outright majority.Are people so blind that they dont see that the only way to damage FG is get Enda in a 3 way debate with the following

Micheal Martin...The election is lost so he can say absolutely anything to damage Enda, it doesnt have to be true.They force him to make promises he cannot keep and they'll be back in power in 5 years.

Eamon Gilmore... He needs to damage FG so that they don't get an outright majority so he lets FF cut them to ribbons and he nods wisely from the side and drop the odd kick in the balls from outside the ring.If FF do enough damage he may have the biggest party and he can be Taoiseach

Vincent Browne.......... has shown how much he dislikes Enda before and would just be out to pointscore which isnt the purpose of the chair in a debate.

Why would Enda bother?? Not having the wisdom or the balls to walk away from a no win situation is how FF got us in this mess.

I also think that the 5 way debates are what Enda wants not because the others will rip FF to shreds but because Gerry Adams will make such a TWAT of himself that we wont notice how good or bad Enda is.

I am not a FG voter and never have been,I have previously voted FF.I will most likely vote SF as the candidate is the best of a(very very) bad lot.

Brenireland · 05-02-2011 01:51PM

Debates & Policy's win election as they should.

If Enda is refusing to do a 3 way debate & refusing to do a debate with VB,Well I am sorry Fine Gael do not deserve a vote if their leader cannot step up.

VB made a stupid statement,however FG'S possible partner in government Labour have policies which are just as bad.

ejmaztec · 05-02-2011 02:24PM

Brenireland wrote: »

Debates & Policy's win election as they should.

If Enda is refusing to do a 3 way debate & refusing to do a debate with VB,Well I am sorry Fine Gael do not deserve a vote if their leader cannot step up.

VB made a stupid statement,however FG'S possible partner in government Labour have policies which are just as bad.

Another FF party-political broadcast.:P

What happened to the multi-party debate that Kenny wanted after Martin excluded all but three?

cock robin · 05-02-2011 02:44PM

Odd that when Bertie Ahearn suggested that people who didn't agree with him on the economy should commit suicide en-mass that Kenny said fcuk all and made no complaints to anyone. The man is a coward and it makes me feel ill that he may actually enda up running the country. If he does were fcuked.

strobe · 05-02-2011 03:01PM

Duckworth_Luas wrote: »

Enda brought his party back from the death. We saw the FFs run for the hills when the going got tough. When in the same situation Kenny stood his ground and eventually brought about a miraculous recovery in FG fortunes.

The only people that brought about a miraculous recovery in FG fortunes are Fianna Fail. FG could have a convicted paedophile as leader and would still be in government come the 1st of March. They will be leading the country for the next four years despite the presence of Enda Kenny not because of it.

Bottle_of_Smoke · 05-02-2011 03:03PM

The real smoke is that he's afraid of a three way debate not Vincent Browne.

Of course he's suggested a 5 way debate. That will be nothing but interruptions and bickering -

Response to everything Gormley/Martin says: You ruined the country

Response to everything big Jarry says: You were in the 'ra and killed single mothers

Kenny just has to keep quiet and let the rest take each other out.

He can't pull the Vincent Browne card anymore because TV3 have offered an alternative moderater

mkearney · 05-02-2011 03:06PM

VinB is a buffoon. Kenny is right. have a debate by all means but let someone whi isn't going to turn it into a circus ref it - Mir O Callaghan, Mark Little, Kenny, - lots of decent options.

Duckworth_Luas · 05-02-2011 03:28PM

strobe wrote: »

The only people that brought about a miraculous recovery in FG fortunes are Fianna Fail. FG could have a convicted paedophile as leader and would still be in government come the 1st of March. They will be leading the country for the next four years despite the presence of Enda Kenny not because of it.

I was talking about Kenny's actual electoral achievements to date not the next general election. Under Enda Kenny Fine Gael increased their number of seats by 40% at the last election. That is an astounding figure. They have also increased their seats at local government at the last two local elections. I think they are now have the largest party representation on County Councils. These achievements have to be attributed to Enda. If he could turn around a moribund party then maybe he can do the same for the country.

JONJO THE MISER · 05-02-2011 03:40PM

I was going to vote F.G not now, Enda you are a coward if you don't debate on Vincent Browne, stop talking crap and debate you coward:mad:

chillywilly · 05-02-2011 03:47PM

:http://www.examiner.ie/breakingnews/ireland/bruton-too-much-focus-on-leaders-debates-492293.html

Fine Gael enterprise spokesman Richard Bruton has said Enda Kenny's refusal to take part in a three-way leaders' debate next Tuesday is not a serious issue for the party.

Mr Bruton said the party leader had committed to participating in a five-way debate, and would take part in a three-way leaders' debate later in the election campaign.

TV3 is to press ahead with a debate between Fianna Fáil's Micheál Martin and Eamon Gilmore of Labour next week.

Richard Bruton - who said he was amazed that Micheál Martin would not commit to a five-way debate between all five party leaders - said he believed too much was being made of the issue of leaders' debates.

"This is about policies and competing ideas about how we are going to change this country," he said.

"The idea of head-to-head clashes is great (as a) media spectacle, but the real decision that people are faced with is the choices between different approaches on fundamental issues."

URGHHHHHHH :mad:

Yeah Bruton, why would anyone want to see their future leader in the firing line and see if he is actually up for the job? These people make me so f*cking angry. And the worst part is that Enda is going to stroll into government with no f*cking effort on his part. It really just shows that this f*cker just want to be in power and has no intention of showing the people that he has what it takes to sort this mess out.

Sierra Oscar · 05-02-2011 03:56PM

mkearney wrote: »

VinB is a buffoon. Kenny is right. have a debate by all means but let someone whi isn't going to turn it into a circus ref it - Mir O Callaghan, Mark Little, Kenny, - lots of decent options.

Uninformed post alert!

TV3 have already stated that they will step Vincent Browne aside and put in place a different moderator for the debate if that is what Enda Kenny wishes.

Duckworth_Luas · 05-02-2011 03:58PM

chillywilly wrote: »

with no f*cking effort on his part.

Lack of effort never stopped Fianna Fáil taking credit when things went well.

When things went badly then actual responsibility never stopped Fianna Fáil blaming everyone else.

I do recall Bertie Ahern getting roundly spanked by John Bruton and Michael Noonan in RTÉ leaders debates in previous elections. In fact, on both occasions the stuttering prick was shown up to be the intellectual midget he is. He still became Taoiseach each time though.

Rosiestar · 05-02-2011 04:43PM

Its absolutely disgraceful that Enda Kenny is using the suicide remark to avoid getting a grilling from Vincent its a downright insult to those who have really been affected by suicide. He is downright asshole coward.

ejmaztec · 05-02-2011 04:49PM

I don't know why anyone would be scared of Vincent, he's a bit of a waffling, mumbling blatherer, who mixes his words up and is incoherent most of the time.

arybvtcw0eolkf · 05-02-2011 05:01PM

ejmaztec wrote: »

I don't know why anyone would be scared of Vincent, he's a bit of a waffling, mumbling blatherer, who mixes his words up and is incoherent most of the time.

What do you mean?.

veryangryman · 05-02-2011 05:35PM

Gerardo Teeny Bump wrote: »

What do you mean?.

I know what he means.

Compare him to Matt Cooper. I never hear a "hmmm", "ermm" or "wha" out of him. Browne may well be intelligent and a good interviewer but when it comes to verbal skills, he is god-awful. He's being doing stunts on TV3 in the past year to mask this so it is less noticeable.

ejmaztec · 05-02-2011 05:54PM

Gerardo Teeny Bump wrote: »

What do you mean?.

He gets the question out, then seems to lose control of his mouth. He accuses other people of cutting in, but he's as bad, and has several snipes at whoever's supposed to be answering his question. He then accuses them of not answering the question.

He's a journalist more than he's anything else.

ilovesleep · 05-02-2011 06:06PM

Vincent Browne is a pitbull. Anyone interested in running Ireland should have a debate with VB for practise because Sarkosy is a god damn awful prick bulling Ireland into increasing CT. Whats Enda going to do when/if he is taoiseach. Run away from Sarkosy perhaps? Give into Sarkosy's demands? This is not good from Enda. I was just warming to FG and all.

dsmythy · 05-02-2011 06:08PM

If he decides to join in the debate now people will say it's an embarressing U-turn. Can't win.

IHeartChemistry · 05-02-2011 06:12PM

Is this really the man we want running the country if he won't face questions live on TV? Kinda pathetic behaviour from Enda. Making me lean more towards Labour each coming day...

ilovesleep · 05-02-2011 06:18PM

IHeartChemistry wrote: »

Making me lean more towards Labour each coming day...

Yep, same here. Gearing towards Labour and Sinn Finn I am. But will give FG and independants some votes too to keep FF out.

dsmythy · 05-02-2011 06:22PM

IHeartChemistry wrote: »

Is this really the man we want running the country if he won't face questions live on TV? Kinda pathetic behaviour from Enda. Making me lean more towards Labour each coming day...

He will face questions on TV, just not on TV3.

IHeartChemistry · 05-02-2011 06:32PM

dsmythy wrote: »

He will face questions on TV, just not on TV3.

Still, he should be all for making his argument on as many national networks as possible. He's showing weakness which is exactly the quality we as a country don't need to see right now. We need to see a person take charge and control and win our confidence back. So far he's not doing himself any favours by refusing Vincent.

and another thing, who on RTE would do what Brown does? Tubridy? Dobson?

wonderfulname · 05-02-2011 06:33PM

Lol, the empty chair is now a symbol of all those who emigrated.

If he stuck to one excuse it would be somewhat believable but the story is changing hourly at this stage.

Geansai Rua · 05-02-2011 06:59PM

wonderfulname wrote: »

Lol, the empty chair is now a symbol of all those who emigrated.

If he stuck to one excuse it would be somewhat believable but the story is changing hourly at this stage.

I heard this earlier.. Someone explain the logic to this??

Duncan31 · 05-02-2011 07:37PM

No he is not saying that he is purposely leaving the empty chair as a symbol. He was asked for his opinion on the idea of v Browne going ahead and leaving an empty seat. He said if he does go ahead, that empty chair can be regarded as a symbol of all those who have left the country. To be honest, he was put on the spot and this is the best he could come up with. He is doing himself damage doing this but Id say he figures that he can afford to give away a percentage of the vote but cannot afford an absolutely disasterous tv debate

Doublin · 05-02-2011 07:38PM

wonderfulname wrote: »

Lol, the empty chair is now a symbol of all those who emigrated.

If he stuck to one excuse it would be somewhat believable but the story is changing hourly at this stage.

Unbelievable, wonder how many of his PR/Media people were working on that angle over the last 24hours.. When I get time this week I'm going to search out some of his speeches from the last 6 months because I'm feeling he is exactly the same as what are in power in the Dail at the moment(full of waffle & spoofing) & nothing will change with him in power. As for taking on the EU, as people said previously VB is a pussycat compared to them.

Some people are saying he is a crap debater but a great organiser & has a great grasp on the issues and this compensates. But if he has such a great grasp on things & what he plans to put into place then he should be able to stand up against anyone & defend/stand by these. To have the ability to avoid bull**** & answer questions in a straightforward manner is to me the most important thing in this election. TBH, I'm leaning towards favouring kicking every existing Dail member out onto the Dole.

Enda is afraid of Vincent.

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