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  • #842
    petethedrummer
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,604 ✭✭✭petethedrummer


    dave2pvd wrote: »
    I agree that most of the dollars probably came from wealthy backers. However, there were many, many small donations made by everyday people who wanted to believe in the guy. I know quite a few among the local racing scene here who contributed.

    That same JC Kennedy mentioned in the quote (an owner of the AJC newspaper) you referenced has been a long time sponsor of racing in Atlanta. Several of my buddies went to that very fundraiser.

    While I have some sympathy for normal everyday fans who contributed, I wouldn't feel so sorry for some who is involved with organising or funding cycling events. Surely they must know about doping in cycling or have someone they could ask if Landis was likely to be lying. That said it was still money gained under false pretences.
    dave2pvd wrote: »
    His vow to pay the money back.....yeah, right. I mean, how the h3ll could he even do that? Not going to happen, I say.
    No idea, apart from the whistle blower case. Unless...the fund was about 1,000,000. 30% from ordinary fans. 300,000 is possible if he forgoes ever owning a house. And I can imagine there being another book from him.

    I wonder will Lance give back the money he made from his books. Or the charity money he is squandering on jet fuel to swan around the world. Or the SCA money.


  • #843
    RobFowl
    Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 11,672 Mod ✭✭✭✭RobFowl


    manusapple wrote: »
    Anyone who doesn't think Lance was doping, is clearly delusional !

    I've never even considered the possibility he didn't TBH ;)

    It's really more the scale and level of sophistication on the doping level and the allegations of corruption at the heart of the UCI which if true are quite frankly sickening.


  • #844
    hinault
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,932 ✭✭✭hinault


    It's clear to me that the sport can be allowed to continue to be self regulating.

    Out of this entire debacle from Festina to Monzano to Puerto to Landis, it is clear that since 1998 (when Festina broke) either the UCI has been unwilling or unable to take the effective steps to eradicate the doping problem.

    Think about it.

    Only when the civilian authorities in France (Festina), Spain (Puerto) and USA (Landis and the FBI) became involved, have we begun to see progress in the battle against doping.

    UCI are part of the problem and not the solution, along with the riders found to have doped.


  • #845
    Chips Lovell
    Moderators, Politics Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 24,277 Mod ✭✭✭✭Chips Lovell


    Some documents backing up what Landis has said about the UCI.


  • #846
    Morrisseeee
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,147 ✭✭✭Morrisseeee


    Wow, this story just gets better-n-better, at this stage I don't know if it's satirical, cool or confusing !! :pac::cool::confused:, there's a film to be made (in the future) that's for sure.


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  • #847
    Zascar
    Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators, Music Moderators Posts: 12,616 Mod ✭✭✭✭Zascar


    I'd say Landis is already negotiating to sell the story


  • #848
    ednwireland
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,753 ✭✭✭✭ednwireland


    hinault wrote: »
    It's clear to me that the sport cannot be allowed to continue to be self regulating.

    Out of this entire debacle from Festina to Monzano to Puerto to Landis, it is clear that since 1998 (when Festina broke) either the UCI has been unwilling or unable to take the effective steps to eradicate the doping problem.

    Think about it.

    Only when the civilian authorities in France (Festina), Spain (Puerto) and USA (Landis and the FBI) became involved, have we begun to see progress in the battle against doping.

    UCI are part of the problem and not the solution, along with the riders found to have doped.

    i'm assuming you mean cannot, but you'll get no arguement from me, at the end the uci has proved time an again that they are not prepared to grasp the nettle when it comes to doping (and lets be honest they were forced into doping contols in the 60's when riders were dying on the road)

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  • #849
    crumliniano
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 254 ✭✭crumliniano


    Just came across this full transcript of recent Kimmage Landis interview in the Sunday Times. It's got lots of things the sunday times editors excluded for libel, and length, reasons.

    Some pretty sensational stuff - e.g.

    "You won it back on the penultimate stage in the time trial?
    Yeah.
    So there is still pressure on you going into the time trial? You still have to do it?
    Yeah, exactly but I was relatively sure...I mean, I know Pereiro and I know he wasn’t going to have any new tricks that he hadn’t already tried so…I had talked to him about it and he told me that he had another blood transfusion to do but I still wasn’t concerned because I was a better time triallist than him regardless…
    You talked to him about it?
    Yeah, we talked openly about this in the peloton, that’s why I couldn’t believe no one did this before I did it. We literally just spoke openly; he did a blood transfusion and some artificial haemoglobin.""

    Pretty interesting portrait of Landis personality too.

    Pour a drink and get comfortable, it's a long read - a transcript of a seven hour interview.

    I came across it via this which gives some good background on the route to publication on nyvelocity.com and a view of Kimmage as a journalist.


  • #850
    sy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,653 ✭✭✭sy


    Thanks crumliniano but already posted earlier in this thread by spokeydokey.
    Incredible stuff.


  • #851
    papac
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 739 ✭✭✭papac


    crumliniano wrote: »

    I came across it via this which gives some good background on the route to publication on nyvelocity.com and a view of Kimmage as a journalist.

    Interesting read. Not sure I am totally comfortable with the Saint Paul Kimmage saviour of cycling-giving away his valuable work for nothing etc take on things.

    He works for News International.(This makes him suspect anyway in my book).He is probably extremely well paid and whatever he lost by publishing transcript on the net will be recouped in extra earnings later from a book or US media work when the Lance thing hits the fan.

    Clean cycling yes.Self aggrandinsing Murdoch bitches no thanks.


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  • #852
    Captain Havoc
    Moderators, Sports Moderators, Regional South East Moderators Posts: 11,393 Mod ✭✭✭✭Captain Havoc


    Sorry, I should have left a note to say I merged a thread started by Crumliniano with this one.

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  • #853
    Diarmuid
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,981 ✭✭✭Diarmuid


    papac wrote: »
    Not sure I am totally comfortable with the Saint Paul Kimmage saviour of cycling-giving away his valuable work for nothing etc take on things.
    WTF?


  • #854
    papac
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 739 ✭✭✭papac


    Diarmuid wrote: »
    WTF?

    Could you expand??:)


  • #855
    hinault
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,932 ✭✭✭hinault


    papac wrote: »
    Interesting read. Not sure I am totally comfortable with the Saint Paul Kimmage saviour of cycling-giving away his valuable work for nothing etc take on things.

    He works for News International.(This makes him a sh1tbag anyway in my book).He is probably extremely well paid and whatever he lost by publishing transcript on the net will be recouped in extra earnings later from a book or US media work when the Lance thing hits the fan.

    Clean cycling yes.Self aggrandinsing Murdoch bitches no thanks.

    Paul has been employed by several different news organisations since 1989.

    His editorial stance as regards doping in cycling has been consistent since 1989, regardless of where he has been employed.

    I suggest that you acquaint yourself with the facts instead of posting unfounded allegations.


  • #856
    hinault
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,932 ✭✭✭hinault


    ednwireland wrote: »
    i'm assuming you mean cannot, but you'll get no arguement from me, at the end the uci has proved time an again that they are not prepared to grasp the nettle when it comes to doping (and lets be honest they were forced into doping contols in the 60's when riders were dying on the road)

    Thanks - it was a typo on my behalf.


  • #857
    papac
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 739 ✭✭✭papac


    hinault wrote: »
    Paul has been employed by several different news organisations since 1989.

    His editorial stance as regards doping in cycling has been consistent since 1989, regardless of where he has been employed.

    I suggest that you acquaint yourself with the facts instead of posting unfounded allegations.

    What unfounded allegations.???

    Afaik I never suggested that PK had only worked for News International.It is, however ,my considered opinion that said organisation is a dangerous and malicious propaganda tool for the corporate fascism under which we all suffer and that no self respecting journalist should have any truck with them. Anyone who does is imo a sh1tbag.

    I never suggested that his views on doping were wrong or inconsistent.He has done some excellent work and all credit to him.

    In my op I was simply suggesting that he is not the Mother Theresa (don't get me started on her:))that most people seem (to me) to think he is.He has his own agenda and he will make a good earner off this I reckon.

    Strong opinions and language in my op but no false allegations. If you disagree please state what it is you think I have alleged which is false.


  • #858
    Lumen
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30,480 ✭✭✭✭Lumen


    papac wrote: »
    It is, however ,my considered opinion that said organisation is a dangerous and malicious propaganda tool for the corporate fascism under which we all suffer

    :pac:

    tin-foil-hat.jpg


  • #859
    papac
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 739 ✭✭✭papac


    Lumen wrote: »
    :pac:

    tin-foil-hat.jpg

    Who is that guy and why has he got my cat?? Seriuosly-my I have a ginger stripey minger of a cat just like that.

    Murdoch is an accessory to mass murder though. (imo-allegedly):D

    E2A. Now my wife has the hump cause She caught me putting a tinfoil hat on the cat for a picture.


  • #860
    Junior
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,266 ✭✭✭Junior


    papac wrote: »
    In my op I was simply suggesting that he is not the Mother Theresa (don't get me started on her:))that most people seem (to me) to think he is.He has his own agenda and he will make a good earner off this I reckon.

    Explain how you make out he'll make a good earner from this, he gave the free transcripts to NY Velocity ? Kimmage as far as I know has no interest in a book about Landis, as Landis I think has his own book on the way.


  • #861
    papac
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 739 ✭✭✭papac


    Junior wrote: »
    Explain how you make out he'll make a good earner from this, he gave the free transcripts to NY Velocity ? Kimmage as far as I know has no interest in a book about Landis, as Landis I think has his own book on the way.

    Let me state that I believe Paul Kimmage to be a genuine lover of cycling. My issue is with him being portrayed as some kind of selfless saint.
    To answer your question directly it seems to me that there is a good living to be made from being the guy who broke omerta when the Lance thing goes properly mainstream. (Articles-TV appearances etc.)
    As I have already stated I think PK has done some great stuff. It does not seem to unfair to me to remind people that he has made a good living from it also.Fair play to him for it.
    Helping to sell papers for News international however is-imo-unethical.(Thought I had better moderate my language:))


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  • #862
    ROK ON
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,831 ✭✭✭ROK ON


    papac wrote: »
    Let me state that I believe Paul Kimmage to be a genuine lover of cycling. My issue is with him being portrayed as some kind of selfless saint.
    To answer your question directly it seems to me that there is a good living to be made from being the guy who broke omerta when the Lance thing goes properly mainstream. (Articles-TV appearances etc.)
    As I have already stated I think PK has done some great stuff. It does not seem to unfair to me to remind people that he has made a good living from it also.Fair play to him for it.
    Helping to sell papers for News international however is-imo-unethical.(Thought I had better moderate my language:))

    I agree to a point. If one is a sports journalist that has at times (tho less now) makes a living from the level of cheating, then it maybe seen as bad for the career if doping is quashed. Sort of like David McWilliams IMHO - that guy will have very little to make money from when this economy finally emerges from depression (whenever the hell that is).

    Your opinion on NI imho is bizarre/ It is a company, not a charity. By its very nature it is designed to make money. It will (like most companies) enedevour to do that in a way that makes it likely that would be clients will buys its product.
    Look the Tribune was IMO a decent paper - however the fact that it has never made money EVER, shows that in the format that it existed the revenue generated failed at any time to justify its existence.


  • #863
    papac
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 739 ✭✭✭papac


    ROK ON wrote: »

    Your opinion on NI imho is bizarre/ It is a company, not a charity. By its very nature it is designed to make money. It will (like most companies) enedevour to do that in a way that makes it likely that would be clients will buys its product.
    Look the Tribune was IMO a decent paper - however the fact that it has never made money EVER, shows that in the format that it existed the revenue generated failed at any time to justify its existence.

    I know perfectly well that NI is a company which has to show a profit and I have no issue with that.
    I have a serious problem with Mr Murderochs organisation bullying and manipulating public opiniobn for its own cynical ends.Murdoch can and does make or break goverments all over the world.His level of control over media worldwide is extremely disturbing.
    British public opinion would never have worn the current illegal war in Iraq without his various organs rowing in behind the US Govt/oil industry/arms industry/Saudi royal family generated mass murder plan.There are numerous other examples.

    Off topic I know but the Tribunes demise is down to Irelands population density as much as anything.


  • #864
    Chips Lovell
    Moderators, Politics Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 24,277 Mod ✭✭✭✭Chips Lovell


    I write for a national newspaper. If I was ever in a position where I had to find a new job, there's plenty of Murdoch owned newspapers I'd be open to offers from. If that makes me a s**tbag, so be it. I know plenty of very fine, irreproachable journalists who work for News International papers.


  • #865
    Junior
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,266 ✭✭✭Junior


    papac wrote: »
    Let me state that I believe Paul Kimmage to be a genuine lover of cycling. My issue is with him being portrayed as some kind of selfless saint.
    To answer your question directly it seems to me that there is a good living to be made from being the guy who broke omerta when the Lance thing goes properly mainstream. (Articles-TV appearances etc.)
    As I have already stated I think PK has done some great stuff. It does not seem to unfair to me to remind people that he has made a good living from it also.Fair play to him for it.
    Helping to sell papers for News international however is-imo-unethical.(Thought I had better moderate my language:))

    But he hasn't broke the omerta around Lance, Landis has ? He hasn't made a good living from it either, he's a sports writer he doesn't dedicate every waking minute of his time to cycling reporting. I don't think you can see the wood from the trees with your hate for Murdoch.


  • #866
    papac
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 739 ✭✭✭papac


    Junior wrote: »
    But he hasn't broke the omerta around Lance, Landis has ? He hasn't made a good living from it either, he's a sports writer he doesn't dedicate every waking minute of his time to cycling reporting. I don't think you can see the wood from the trees with your hate for Murdoch.

    Fair points.


  • #867
    papac
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 739 ✭✭✭papac


    el tonto wrote: »
    very fine, irreproachable journalists who work for News International papers.
    There are many,myself included, who would find this a contradiction.


    I respect your right to disagree (obviously) and on reflection sh1tbag may have been a bit of a poor choice of word.:)


  • #868
    RobFowl
    Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 11,672 Mod ✭✭✭✭RobFowl


    http://www.velonation.com/News/ID/8099/French-Minster-for-Sports-Jouanno-says-Armstrong-should-admit-having-used-banned-substances.aspx

    The French minister for sport is asking LA to confess :rolleyes:


  • #869
    ednwireland
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,753 ✭✭✭✭ednwireland


    RobFowl wrote: »
    http://www.velonation.com/News/ID/8099/French-Minster-for-Sports-Jouanno-says-Armstrong-should-admit-having-used-banned-substances.aspx

    The French minister for sport is asking LA to confess :rolleyes:

    and we all know what lance thinks of the french authorities ;)
    i sure he will comply

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  • #870
    petethedrummer
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,604 ✭✭✭petethedrummer


    ednwireland wrote: »
    i sure he will comply

    He might not have a choice.

    "Jouanno has been French Minster of Sport since 2010, and is also a twelve-times national champion in judo".


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  • #871
    RobFowl
    Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 11,672 Mod ✭✭✭✭RobFowl


    One year after he sent information to USA Cycling and began a series of claims of doping against his former US Postal Service team, Floyd Landis has learned that he will face legal action by the UCI.

    Landis has said that Lance Armstrong, the US Postal Service team and others were involved in the systematic use of banned substances, and that former UCI President Hein Verbruggen helped cover up a positive test for EPO by Lance Armstrong in the 2001 Tour de Suisse.

    He also said that the UCI protected the Texan and several other important riders against doping cases, thus ensuring that the big names continued to race and bring money into the sport

    Read more: http://www.velonation.com/News/ID/8325/UCI-starts-legal-proceedings-against-Floyd-Landis.aspx#ixzz1LOXYR31A


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