New York introduces outdoor smoking ban in public places.

Run_to_da_hills · 04-02-2011 01:29PM #1

New York has gone a step further with smoking bans and has now provoked lighting up in public parks, plazas and beaches.

Ireland was only a short time behind New Yorks initial ban in indoor public places, i guess it wont be too long before you will be fined for lighting up in In outdoor public places here.

The funny thing about all this is that the fine for being caught smoking a fag would be more than that for smoking a spliff

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1353091/New-York-smoking-ban-spreads-Central-Park-public-places.html

Jesus Wept · 04-02-2011 01:30PM

Good stuff.

prinz · 04-02-2011 01:31PM

New York.......you made me do this *lights up* Ooooooooh yeah *sunbathes on beach*

NoDice · 04-02-2011 01:31PM

.....oh shit.. They're coming for us... *hides with precious stinky ashtray*

ishvalian · 04-02-2011 01:31PM

Well that's bent!

RichieC · 04-02-2011 01:32PM

Land of the free indeed.

spider guardian · 04-02-2011 01:32PM

Can't see this being brought in over here. The pubs are badly hit as it is. Besides everyone knows the real craic goes on in the smoking areas!

Jesus Wept · 04-02-2011 01:33PM

RichieC wrote: »

Land of the free indeed.

You can't legally punch people in the lungs either.

Dravokivich · 04-02-2011 01:34PM

RichieC wrote: »

Land of the free indeed.

you're a dinosuar plisken!

shayser · 04-02-2011 01:35PM

Paradise can't be that far away now, surely...

Canis Lupus · 04-02-2011 01:35PM

RichieC wrote: »

Land of the free indeed.

Well smokers imposed their smoking and the resulting buts on the non smokers since forever and now the non smokers are fighting back.

I don't really see the problem with the ban.

RichieC · 04-02-2011 01:36PM

The-Rigger wrote: »

You can't legally punch people in the lungs either.

Don't be fking ridiculous..

Duggy747 · 04-02-2011 01:37PM

I can understand beaches, fag butts in the sand is a bit manky.

I couldn't see it being brought over here, especially parks: 1) Who would respect the law and 2) who would be prickish enough to ring the Gardaì on a guy sitting on a bench having a fag?*

*rhetorical question :pac:

strobe · 04-02-2011 01:38PM

Canis Lupus wrote: »

Well smokers imposed their smoking and the resulting buts on the non smokers since forever and now the non smokers are fighting back.

I don't really see the problem with the ban.

...and the smokers that don't throw their buts on the ground or 'impose' their smoking on other people? Perhaps we should legislate against people eating outside too on the off chance some of them throw their wrappers or leftovers on the ground?

Jesus Wept · 04-02-2011 01:38PM

RichieC wrote: »

Don't be fking ridiculous..

I won't be.

RichieC · 04-02-2011 01:39PM

Duggy747 wrote: »

who would prickish enough to ring the Gardaì on a guy sitting on a bench having a fag?

The kinda pricks who would support such a draconian violation of freedom.

dark crystal · 04-02-2011 01:40PM

Ridiculous.

Have they banned cars too, because exhaust fumes are far more hazardous to non smokers than cigarette smoke outdoors.

I honestly don't know why smokers get such a raw and unfair deal from governments, who are only too happy to take the money they stump up for their (totally legal) habit.

If governments believe them to be such a danger as to warrant banning their use outdoors, then why not just ban them completely and be done with it?

TobyZiegler · 04-02-2011 01:43PM

Totally agree with the work place smoking ban but surely this is taking things a bit too far?

Couldnt the people who will now be out imposing the fine for smoking just have been sent out to clamp down on littering and told to fine people who threw cigarettes on the ground?

NoDice · 04-02-2011 01:48PM

It's defo not as acceptable in the US as it is here though imo. I lit up walking through Orlando a few years ago and people looked at me as if I had just skinned a cuddly, fluffy puppy whilst humping Micky Mouse in a clown outift or something. Some woman actually gasped when she saw me take out a cigarette box from my bag.

smellslikeshoes · 04-02-2011 01:49PM

I'm anti smoking but personally I think this is a step too far. Who's to say that this isn't the first step in them starting to ban things outright, smoking=banned, alcohol = banned fastfood = banned etc.
Someone smoking on the beach is hardly going to impact on the health of other people.

Duggy747 · 04-02-2011 01:49PM

dark crystal wrote: »

Have they banned cars too, because exhaust fumes are far more hazardous to non smokers than cigarette smoke outdoors.

Many people I've met don't think car exhausts are worse than second-hand smoke. I've never heard of anyone commiting suicide in a garage with cigeratte smoke :pac:

Yakult · 04-02-2011 01:51PM

Run_to_da_hills wrote: »

.

The funny thing about all this is that the fine for being caught smoking a fag would be more than that for smoking a spliff

Isnt it the same here? Cheaper to get get caught smoking a spliff rather than tobacco?

Orando Broom · 04-02-2011 01:54PM

RichieC wrote: »

Land of the free indeed.

Whoever told you that is your enemy.

Canis Lupus · 04-02-2011 01:57PM

strobe wrote: »

...and the smokers that don't throw their buts on the ground or 'impose' their smoking on other people? Perhaps we should legislate against people eating outside too on the off chance some of them throw their wrappers or leftovers on the ground?

Collateral damage

Wompa1 · 04-02-2011 01:58PM

Meh. Don't smoke and don't particularly care. I was in Las Vegas a few months ago where people smoke everywhere and was in Greece a few years ago with people smoking. I'd be happier if people weren't allowed to smoke around me..if it's in a park I don't care...I think Chicago has a ban on smoking in parks where they have a playground which sounds kind of fair....

But in a park you'd imagine the smoke you would just disapate in the air pretty quick. But again I don't care, it's fine with me

dark crystal · 04-02-2011 01:59PM

By the way, slightly off topic, but is it legal to smoke a herbal cigarette in a public space? All natural ingredients, no chemicals etc...

These type of cigarettes don't have any of the same risks assosciated with the normal kind, so it would seem pointless banning them as they pose no risk to the non smoker, no?

Badgermonkey · 04-02-2011 01:59PM

Canis Lupus wrote: »

Well smokers imposed their smoking and the resulting buts on the non smokers since forever and now the non smokers are fighting back.

I don't really see the problem with the ban.

I don't smoke but to prevent those who wish to engage in it from doing so in the outdoors seems excessively nannyish to me.

Unfortunately smokers have always had a blindspot, whereby they don't regard their cigarette butts as litter. Their casual dispersal of same does their argument no favours.

Minstrel27 · 04-02-2011 02:01PM

It is a bit excessive from the law makers in New York.

Dr. Baltar · 04-02-2011 02:05PM

A fantastic step in the right direction. I'm going to write to my local TDs and ask them to bring this in. Hey, while we're at it, we should also fine people for eating unhealthy foods in public! Oh! And we should ban cars too! They're bad for the environment, bad for my health!

Hell, let's shut down pubs altogether! Nuter our children so they don't have unprotected sex! A liberal paradise for all! :rolleyes:

seamus · 04-02-2011 02:06PM

The clean air claim is nonsense, obviously. Cigarette butts are an issue as smokers universally seem to think that cigarette butts aren't rubbish and throw them on the ground as soon as they're done. Go anywhere that smokers congregate and you'll see butts everywhere.

It's much easier to catch someone who's actually smoking than someone who's after throwing a butt on the ground, so banning smoking a way easier than catching people littering, but it does seem to be needlessly prohibitive. Just make it a massive fine (say $5,000) for throwing a fag on the ground and most people will cop on.

The pubs are badly hit as it is.

Yes, it's all to do with the smoking ban. Nothing to do with insane prices and piss-poor customer awareness.

strobe · 04-02-2011 02:07PM

Badgermonkey wrote: »

I don't smoke but to prevent those who wish to engage in it from doing so in the outdoors seems excessively nannyish to me.

Unfortunately some smokers have always had a blindspot, whereby they don't regard their cigarette butts as litter. Their casual dispersal of same does their argument no favours.

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New York introduces outdoor smoking ban in public places.

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