anyone here going to vote sinn féin?

jbkenn · 31-01-2011 03:13AM

sharkie66 wrote: »

You are having a laugh! But joking aside, does that mean you won't be voting for the only 32 county Republican Party in the next election then?

Wish you the best with the limited Republican choices to vote for in the election.

I am not having a laugh. the leadership of Sinn Fein is U.K. based

sharkie66 · 31-01-2011 09:47AM

Max Power1 wrote: »

There hasnt been up to now.

Ive been a staunch SF supporter until fairly recently, when their ridiculous leftist (OTT) financial policies turned me off them. I would class myself as a republican, however it is the rest of their party policies and ideals that I couldnt vote for. The links to the "troubles" would be the least of my worries if SF were to be in coalition. Especially with similar left-wing socialst parties like Labour.

IMO the dole wasnt cut enough.

€188 per week is still WAY too high for social welfare payments.

Your words above! Sorry but with that attitude your Republican mask slipped there and shows us that you are a something very different from what a true Republican should be! Tory politics I'd be saying there Max!

Bottle_of_Smoke · 31-01-2011 10:18AM

jbkenn wrote: »

I am not having a laugh. the leadership of Sinn Fein is U.K. based

If you were actually that much of a republican you wouldn't regard Belfast as the UK

problemchimp · 31-01-2011 10:34AM

yep!

jbkenn · 31-01-2011 10:42AM

Bottle_of_Smoke wrote: »

If you were actually that much of a republican you wouldn't regard Belfast as the UK

If it is not in the U.K., where is it?.
Queens University
Fitzwilliam St,
Belfast,
County Antrim
BT9 6AW, U.K.

jbkenn

sharkie66 · 31-01-2011 10:57AM

jbkenn wrote: »

If it is not in the U.K., where is it?.
Queens University
Fitzwilliam St,
Belfast,
County Antrim
BT9 6AW, U.K.

jbkenn

Belfast is in Ireland and all of its inhabitants are Irish.

Your post above is surely a ploy to upset true Republicans and this thread is not about that! You should try and shake off your siege mentality baggage and work with your opponents to bring about a solution to the mess we ALL are in here on the island of Ireland.

The so called FF Republicans brought this country to its knees and Sinn Fein Republicans are trying to point out the obvious regarding burning bond holders who are not worthy of a bailout. Simple! Trading insults will get this country nowhere and I mean it when I say that I really hope you choose a party which can help the ordinary worker on low wages have some sort of a decent standard of living.

Beir bua.:)

Bottle_of_Smoke · 31-01-2011 11:13AM

jbkenn wrote: »

If it is not in the U.K., where is it?.
Queens University
Fitzwilliam St,
Belfast,
County Antrim
BT9 6AW, U.K.

jbkenn

You're either having a laugh or really need to read up on republicanism.

LordSutch · 31-01-2011 11:19AM

sharkie66 wrote: »

Belfast is in Ireland and all of its inhabitants are Irish.

Yes thats, true, but Belfast is also the Capital of Northern Ireland, which in turn is a region of the United Kingdom, and this is regardless of whether you like it being in the UK (or not), but it currently is > And that's a fact!

Sinn Feins primary objective is to Unite the island of Ireland, by pulling Northern Ireland out of the UK, and currently as of (Jan/2011) this still has not been achieved!

To deny that Northern Ireland is part of the UK is just ridiculous.

lugha · 31-01-2011 11:26AM

LordSutch wrote: »

To deny that Northern Ireland is part of the UK is just ridiculous.

True, it is nonsense. But harmless enough nonsense.
But to suggest that we can simply tell the EU and IMF to feck off ......

sharkie66 · 31-01-2011 11:33AM

LordSutch wrote: »

Yes thats, true, but Belfast is also the Capital of Northern Ireland, which in turn is a region of the United Kingdom, and this is regardless of whether you like it being in the UK (or not), but it currently is > And that's a fact!

Sinn Feins primary objective is to Unite the island of Ireland, by pulling Northern Ireland out of the UK, and currently as of (Jan/2011) this still has not been achieved!

To deny that Northern Ireland is part of the UK is just ridiculous.

Did I ever deny this fact?
I merely said that ALL inhabitants of Belfast are Irish, born on the island of Ireland. Some other facts a fairly large amount of people have difficulty accepting. Still a fact though! Regarding your point about SF's objective re uniting Ireland surely a noble cause and all it is, it will take time but mark my words it will happen and when it does all this talk of difference will be a thing of the past! True Republicans have always called for the orange, the green and dissenter to work together for that objective. You too might like to join the cause in time. We are patient people and once again I urge you and all like you to consider deeply about giving SF a vote.
Beir bua:)

lugha · 31-01-2011 11:49AM

sharkie66 wrote: »

Regarding your point about SF's objective re uniting Ireland surely a noble cause and all it is, it will take time but mark my words it will happen and when it does all this talk of difference will be a thing of the past! True Republicans have always called for the orange, the green and dissenter to work together for that objective.

But that kind of mind numbing delusion is surely a reason not to vote for Sinn Fein (apart from all the other reasons

) If they cannot grasp the relatively simple truth that unionists will NEVER be persuaded to willingly join a UI then how much faith can we have in their policies?
It would be nice (for republicans) if unionists could be persuaded to join a UI. It would be nice if the simple and popular plan to tell the EU and IMF to get stuffed would work. But they won't. And it won't.

pavcro10 · 31-01-2011 11:52AM

Never thought I would! But yes, I'm voting sinn fein this time out

LordSutch · 31-01-2011 12:01PM

pavcro10 wrote: »

Never thought I would! But yes, I'm voting sinn fein this time out

I hope/presume you are fully aware of their baggage, their economic policies, & their aims?

fred252 · 31-01-2011 12:08PM

no and anyone who is doesn't understand the consequences of their "economic policyes".

that said, their view on pushing the bond holders in the banks towards a debt for equity swap (or some other type of debt restructuring) is good and i'm surprised none of the other parties are taking this line as it is populous and not that crazy.

that sensible stuff aside most of their candidates are as thick as planks. that might be good enough for americans but i like my t.d.s to be somewhat intelligent.

jbkenn · 31-01-2011 02:51PM

sharkie66 wrote: »

Belfast is in Ireland and all of its inhabitants are Irish.

Your post above is surely a ploy to upset true Republicans

Excuse me... WTF is a "true Republican", enlighten me please.

jbkenn

sharkie66 · 31-01-2011 03:31PM

jbkenn wrote: »

Excuse me... WTF is a "true Republican", enlighten me please.

jbkenn

As a Republican, I will never vote for a U.K. based political party.

Your words my friend!

If you were any sort of an Irish Republican or knowledgable in Irish politics then you would know where Sinn Fein has its Headquarters.

I used 'true' as an adjective because I have serious doubts that you are a Republican at all but in fact someone masquerading as one. Your posts in this thread show you as a person who only likes to taunt people because of their beliefs and ideals.

If you need a lesson in Republicanism then that is fair enough but I charge by the hour for teaching so in your own best interest please search elsewhere for your education. May I suggest the SF Headquarters in Parnell Square in DUBLIN for starters.

I really do hope you can find the information you need to clarify the difficulties you are having at the moment. While you are up there you might like to ask the staff therein who is the Republican candidate in your area so you can continue what you have started here with that person.

Wish you the best with the quest.

sharkie66 · 31-01-2011 03:55PM

fred252 wrote: »

no and anyone who is doesn't understand the consequences of their "economic policyes".

Ahem........ surely you mean policies

that said, their view on pushing the bond holders in the banks towards a debt for equity swap (or some other type of debt restructuring) is good and i'm surprised none of the other parties are taking this line as it is populous and not that crazy.

that sensible stuff aside most of their candidates are as thick as planks. that might be good enough for americans but i like my t.d.s to be somewhat intelligent.

Fred, pot calling the kettle black comes to mind re above :rolleyes:

sharkie66 · 31-01-2011 04:34PM

lugha wrote: »

But that kind of mind numbing delusion is surely a reason not to vote for Sinn Fein (apart from all the other reasons ) If they cannot grasp the relatively simple truth that unionists will NEVER be persuaded to willingly join a UI then how much faith can we have in their policies?
It would be nice (for republicans) if unionists could be persuaded to join a UI. It would be nice if the simple and popular plan to tell the EU and IMF to get stuffed would work. But they won't. And it won't.

http://www.newsletter.co.uk/news/Loyalists-voting-for-Sinn-Fein.6690225.jp
Loyalists voting for Sinn Fein - UDA boss
Lugha your claim that Unionists will never be willing to join a united Ireland might need to be revised if this recent article in the Belfast Newsletter is anything to go by! It would appear that unionists ARE voting for SF in Belfast because their own parties have gone down the FF track i.e not looking after the ordinary man on the street but only those with big bucks!

Some, as you would say, mind numbing delusion!!! Sooner or later my friend it will happen but for the moment I think we should all work together to sort out the 26 counties problems. I think you could find it in your heart to give SF a vote seeing that the loyalists/unionists have managed to do it and that FG/Lab are all on for threatening the EU/IMF with default once elected!
Beir bua:D

shocksy · 31-01-2011 04:36PM

Sinn Féin will have my vote on the day, and they are the only ones getting a vote from me.

LordSutch · 31-01-2011 04:46PM

shocksy wrote: »

Sinn Féin will have my vote on the day, and they are the only ones getting a vote from me.

I hope/presume you are fully aware of their baggage, their economic policies, & their aims?

Teclo · 31-01-2011 04:53PM

I wonder how many agents of a foreign power will be elected to the Dáil this time.

sharkie66 · 31-01-2011 06:04PM

Teclo wrote: »

I wonder how many agents of a foreign power will be elected to the Dáil this time.

Sorry Teclo but what are you suggesting?

beir bua

jbkenn · 31-01-2011 06:19PM

sharkie66 wrote: »

As a Republican, I will never vote for a U.K. based political party.

Your words my friend!

If you were any sort of an Irish Republican or knowledgable in Irish politics then you would know where Sinn Fein has its Headquarters.

I used 'true' as an adjective because I have serious doubts that you are a Republican at all but in fact someone masquerading as one. Your posts in this thread show you as a person who only likes to taunt people because of their beliefs and ideals.

If you need a lesson in Republicanism then that is fair enough but I charge by the hour for teaching so in your own best interest please search elsewhere for your education. May I suggest the SF Headquarters in Parnell Square in DUBLIN for starters.

I really do hope you can find the information you need to clarify the difficulties you are having at the moment. While you are up there you might like to ask the staff therein who is the Republican candidate in your area so you can continue what you have started here with that person.

Wish you the best with the quest.

I will give you this for free, no hourly charge, definition of a Republican, from Wikipedia

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Republican

Republican can refer to:
An advocate of a republic, a form of government that is not a monarchy or dictatorship, and is generally associated with the rule of law

As a citizen, worker and taxpayer in the Republic of Ireland, I reckon that makes me a Republican.

I cannot find any definition of a "true Republican" anywhere, but, I can only conclude from you that I should move to the U.K. work and pay my taxes to HM Government and claim to be a citizen of Ireland, to be a "true Republican"

jbkenn

danbohan · 31-01-2011 06:27PM

jbkenn wrote: »

I will give you this for free, no hourly charge, definition of a Republican, from Wikipedia

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Republican

Republican can refer to:
An advocate of a republic, a form of government that is not a monarchy or dictatorship, and is generally associated with the rule of law

As a citizen, worker and taxpayer in the Republic of Ireland, I reckon that makes me a Republican.

I cannot find any definition of a "true Republican" anywhere, but, I can only conclude from you that I should move to the U.K. work and pay my taxes to HM Government and claim to be a citizen of Ireland, to be a "true Republican"

jbkenn

so somebody born on the northern part of this island who has an irish passport and heritage is less irish than you ?

jbkenn · 31-01-2011 06:37PM

danbohan wrote: »

so somebody born on the northern part of this island who has an irish passport and heritage is less irish than you ?

Where did I say that?.

jbkenn

danbohan · 31-01-2011 06:41PM

jbkenn wrote: »

Where did I say that?.

jbkenn

I should move to the U.K. work and pay my taxes to HM Government and claim to be a citizen of Ireland,

sounds to me like you are denying nationalists in northern ireland their right to be Irish

lugha · 31-01-2011 06:54PM

sharkie66 wrote: »

Lugha your claim that Unionists will never be willing to join a united Ireland might need to be revised if this recent article in the Belfast Newsletter is anything to go by! It would appear that unionists ARE voting for SF in Belfast because their own parties have gone down the FF track i.e not looking after the ordinary man on the street but only those with big bucks!

It has also been reported that some nationalists vote for big Ian Paisley. But they do so, not because they subscribe to his protestant state for a protestant people vision but because he is quite the accomplished local politician. Similarly, loyalists voting for Sinn Fein because they are perceived to deliver on local issues does not mean that they subscribe to Sinn Fein’s big plan of a united Ireland.

sharkie66 wrote: »

Some, as you would say, mind numbing delusion!!! Sooner or later my friend it will happen but for the moment I think we should all work together to sort out the 26 counties problems.

As per above, my charge of delusion stands. Yes, a UI probably will happen (though it is by no means a certainty) but not after unionists are convinced. Those nationalists who favour a UI are not looking to see how they might address the concerns of unionists (a futile pursuit of course) but to the population census to see if they are close to outbreeding them yet!

sharkie66 wrote: »

I think you could find it in your heart to give SF a vote ...

Alas, my brain is the organ OC on this matter.

I am restricting my views on SF in this thread to their policies. But I have a fundamental problem with SF before I even get to their policies that I and others have outlined on (many!) other threads. Short version: I’m not fully convinced that they are democrats.

sharkie66 wrote: »

and that FG/Lab are all on for threatening the EU/IMF with default once elected!

I think they will seek to have it renegotiated (and I have no great expectation of their success). To “threaten” them with default is another delusional notion. To you really think we are in a position to be threatening anyone? Suppose we had no banking crisis and our only (!) major problem was the 20 billion annual budget deficit? How would you propose we fix that, given that you would chase away anyone who would lend us money, and Sinn Fein don’t favour spending cuts?

lugha · 31-01-2011 07:08PM

danbohan wrote: »

sounds to me like you are denying nationalists in northern ireland their right to be Irish

I doubt if it is possible to deny anyone that right. You could however, refuse to respect it. But then that's par for the course around here. Look at the wide spread refusal of republicans to respect unionists who choose not to use "Irish" as part of their identity.
Anyway, what has any of this got to do with voting, or not, for Sinn Fein?

sharkie66 · 31-01-2011 11:37PM

Lugha,

It has also been reported that some nationalists vote for big Ian Paisley.
Can you show me the evidence for this please?

As per above, my charge of delusion stands. Yes, a UI probably will happen (though it is by no means a certainty) but not after unionists are convinced. Those nationalists who favour a UI are not looking to see how they might address the concerns of unionists (a futile pursuit of course) but to the population census to see if they are close to outbreeding them yet!

Here you accuse me of being delusional in my views while then agreeing with my
assertion! To top it off you go on about population increases and other unfounded assertions with no evidence to support your argument. Me... delusional? Have a closer look at yourself before dissing others!

sharkie66 · 31-01-2011 11:49PM

lugha wrote: »

I doubt if it is possible to deny anyone that right. You could however, refuse to respect it. But then that's par for the course around here. Look at the wide spread refusal of republicans to respect unionists who choose not to use "Irish" as part of their identity.
More unfounded assertions with little evidence to support any of them!:rolleyes:

anyone here going to vote sinn féin?

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