How hard is it to emigrate to Israel?

Wibbs · 30-01-2011 01:31PM

Alejandra Damaged Photography wrote: »

A lot of people will just spit ignorant hatred towards anything Israeli, mostly its talking out of their arse.. Israel contribute more towards medicine, science, biotechnology, international security, agriculture etc than all her neighbours collectively.

Oh I agree, though TBH M that would not be that difficult. Their neighbours, indeed the majority of the Arab world is remarkably backward on that score. Loads of "graduates". In Islamic studies. :rolleyes: Given a choice between them and the general state of (middle eastern)Islamic countries I'd far prefer Israel. The ardent religious types on both sides are a complete waste of oxygen. The world was sure fcuked up by those three bloody desert religions.

Still I can see that and take issue with a lot of their morally dubious angles on things. Meh I suppose it's a whole culture with a low level siege mentality which colours everything. Not too dissimilar to some Irish in that sense.

Italia · 30-01-2011 01:32PM

Wibbs wrote: »

I do agree he was a tad OTT in his description, but and it's a big but, compare over time the demographics of the map of Israel;

Maybe my post wasn't clear enough. Cavehill's post specifically mentioned that SA was the 'last' country' to have blood laws for citizenship. That is complete crap. It's never been a requirement - at least not since it became a republic in 1961.
For reasons mainly work related, together with my parents, I emigrated to SA in 1967, just after Verwoerd was assasinated. I agree - not the best place to be in 1967!
I am not even 'white' in the apartheid definition and none of my relatives were SA in origin / marriage / descent. Yet, all of us were able to get SA citizenship after the standard 5yrs residency. Nothing more was asked of us to get citizenship.

I cannot comment on the Israeli side of things, but I don't like seeing untruths posted and passing them off as true.

arybvtcw0eolkf · 30-01-2011 01:36PM

Zebra3 wrote: »

You can read about Israel's racist attitude to the Irish below.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/middle-east/uns-irish-battalions-bid-farewell-to-a-long-bitter-tour-in-lebanon-687708.html

Wanna talk about the contents of that articule?.

Before you do, I'll let you know. I was serving in Lebanon when that articule was printed.. I was with the 88th Irish Battalion, UNIFIL.

I'll just leave you with this thought.. Our biggest regret on withdrawing from Lebanon was the PLO's failure to provide us with information which would allow us to bring home the remains of Private Kevin Joyce (18).. Instead the Palestinians use his remains as a political pawn, making us make political protestations against Israel in the hope that they'll provide us with a snippet of information leading to his recover.. Today he's the longest held kidnap victim in Lebanon.

Lumen · 30-01-2011 01:46PM

Chicks with guns. What's not to like?

Oh yeah, international law, human rights abuses, ethnic cleansing, murderous settlers, paranoid reactionary scumbags with nukes.

Still, chicks with guns. What's not to like?

Debthree · 30-01-2011 01:52PM

whiteboy wrote: »

How hard stupid is it to emigrate to Israel?

VERY!

My name is URL · 30-01-2011 02:06PM

Alejandra Damaged Photography wrote: »

A lot of people will just spit ignorant hatred towards anything Israeli, mostly its talking out of their arse.. Israel contribute more towards medicine, science, biotechnology, international security, agriculture etc than all her neighbours collectively.

Almost every hour of every day everyone in Ireland will use something invented or produced in Israel which will make life easier for him/her.

Anything Israeli or anything related to how Israel conducts itself on the international stage? Just because people buy Israeli products doesn't negate the questionable acts undertaken by its military and given the go-ahead by government. The world would be a much different place if people were entitled only to speak negatively about aspects of places from which they don't import goods.

Wibbs · 30-01-2011 02:08PM

On topic, a guy I knew did emigrate there. Back in the 90's. He's Jewish which helped(though I knew a fair few non Jews who went to Kibutzs(sp) in the late 70's early 80's). He didnt stay long though. Less than a year. He's too much of a mick and the food and the heat got to him.

He agreed with Makikomi on a few points. The gorgeous easy to approach women, the often hard to crack through attitude of the locals and the need to drop the hail fellow well met Irish thing.

The whole daily security thing which was very necessary he found it a bit heavy going at times. AFAIR though he was there when there were regular suicide attacks so that would freak you out alright.

wes · 30-01-2011 02:11PM

My name is URL wrote: »

he world would be a much different place if people were entitled only to speak negatively about aspects of places from which they don't import goods.

I have never seen anyone say something similar about the other ME countries. After all, if you drive a car, good chance the oil came from those places, or if you get on a bus etc. Sure no one could criticize any ME country almost, if we are to follow the logic offered. Luckily enough, the logic is only ever trotted out in relation to Israel.

Same for the US, if you running a computer, its either Intel, AMD etc all US companies, sure we can't criticize the US, but again I rarely see anyone make such a ridiculous argument.

johnnyskeleton · 30-01-2011 02:13PM

af_thefragile wrote: »

Why would you wanna go to Israel in particular?

If its just for the climate, there are so many other brilliant places to go to. Such as Spain, Portugal, Italy, Greece... And if you want something different, Morocco is an amazing place too... Much easier to live in these places than in Israel.

The West Bank is an easier place to live in than Israel.

Wibbs · 30-01-2011 02:17PM

My name is URL wrote: »

Anything Israeli or anything related to how Israel conducts itself on the international stage? Just because people buy Israeli products doesn't negate the questionable acts undertaken by its military and given the go-ahead by government.

Exactly. Plus the instant knee jerk "oh you're an anti Semite!!!" if even the slightest(factual) criticism of Israel comes up. Its real paranoid shít. Hey I can well understand the low level paranoia and siege mentality. Christ you have Irish people still hand wringing over the Famine and it hardly affects us now and that's a lot longer ago than the pograms in Russia and Germany and a couple here too. Still the outright denial and avoidance of well dubious morals at times does the country no favours.

arybvtcw0eolkf · 30-01-2011 02:18PM

Wibbs wrote: »

The whole daily security thing which was very necessary he found it a bit heavy going at times. AFAIR though he was there when there were regular suicide attacks so that would freak you out alright.

lol, I was there for the start of the first & second intifada's!..

Interesting times indeed.

Right I'm actually dead late, I'm on the way over to the Clonskeagh Mosque for a Judo competition.

Peace.

Paco Rodriguez · 30-01-2011 02:45PM

No more Denny Gold Medal sausages in the morning with your brew......nah

Nodin · 30-01-2011 02:57PM

Sefirah wrote: »

Or a conversion to Judaism- but making aliyah doesn't count on following the orthodox version of Jewishness- I have many non-Jewish friends in Israel who were able to emigrate there because they had one Jewish grandparent- particularly among Russians.

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This is true. It's safe to say that there doesn't seem to be a rigorous check on beliefs......
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/6987848.stm

rainbowdrop · 30-01-2011 02:58PM

I met an Isreali guy once, when I was staying at the Flying Pig hostel in Amsterdam. We had a great conversation that went on for hours about what his life was like living in Isreal......

Unfortunately, we were both mashed out of our heads at the time on Magic Mushrooms and strong weed, so I can't remember details, just that it was a really interesting place to live!:D

Nodin · 30-01-2011 03:00PM

Paco Rodriguez wrote: »

No more Denny Gold Medal sausages in the morning with your brew......nah

No, you can get pork, apparently. Depends where you live, or so I've been told.

Nodin · 30-01-2011 03:01PM

rainbowdrop wrote: »

I met an Isreali guy once, when I was staying at the Flying Pig hostel in Amsterdam. We had a great conversation that went on for hours about what his life was like living in Isreal......

Unfortunately, we were both mashed out of our heads at the time on Magic Mushrooms and strong weed, so I can't remember details, just that it was a really interesting place to live!:D

Truly the solution to many of the worlds problems is more outside of the gourd experiences.

The Saint · 30-01-2011 03:05PM

Nodin wrote: »

No, you can get pork, apparently. Depends where you live, or so I've been told.

You can get prok products easily enough alright, but the sausages are nothing like the delicious 90% trotter and snout babies you get in Ireland so its difficult to knock up a good old Irish brekkie.

Edit: No black and white pudding either.

bronte · 30-01-2011 03:15PM

I dunno Op, first thing I heard after getting off a coach in Israel was a feckin bomb going off. My dad got his wallet robbed too.... in fcukin Bethlehem or Jerusalem.
Abode of peace my arse.
Jerusalem's a shithole/in Bruges

Grizzly 45 · 30-01-2011 03:37PM

Want your saussies,bacon etc in Israel?Go to Mikes bar in Tel Aviv.Right next door to the US embassy on the beach. Had a lovely fry and bacon burger there.
Soilders all over the place.Not surprising since Israel has been on a war footing since the day of its inception in 1948.Guns all over the place..Damn right,felt 1000% safer in Tel Aviv than I ever did on O Connel St Dublin in broad daylight.Yeah teachers carry guns over there..They got a bit tired of Palestinian terrorists coming into schools in the 1970s and massacaring Jewish kids!!

No scobes,beggars,druggies,or Roma selling "beeg issuuue" on the streets.Which are very clean.More than ours actually Tel Aviv looks a bit ramschackle with no city centre as such.It all looks abit tempoary,well maybe not surprising if you are expecting to be chucked into the Mediterrianian somday,you are really not going to build anything permanent. Get used to an odd week as Sabath goes from Fri evening to Saturday evening and busisness as normal on Sunday!Takes awhile to get the head around that one.
Irish bars all over the place!! Guinness on tap,Mad big ads in hebrew for Bushmills and Jameson on the streets.They are very curious about the Irish,as they dont see many of them in Tel Aviv,as most of us sod off to Jureslaem to see the holy sites.Also well intrested in the NI situation as they genuinely gave the impression of wanting to find some sort of a solution to the conflict.Nor were they inclined to sweeping generalisations like us Irish....They dont assume straight off that we are ALL IRA or Hammas supporters.Unlike our neighbours who still think "all Paddies are IRA!"It's not without is faults and they readily admit to it too.They have extremist religious bigots as well,who make life difficult for the moderates to try and sort things out.
Personally,I'd go to a country first before making any judgements on it or listening to others propaganda.Then decide.

Zebra3 · 30-01-2011 04:03PM

dubtom wrote: »

In fairness now it just says the Israel soldiers were pissed off with the Irish for stopping their advance in Lebanon, I see no racist stuff in that article.

The Israelis were spreading the "drunken Paddies" propaganda because Irish troops were limiting their invasion of another country.

Alejandra Damaged Photography wrote: »

Wanna talk about the contents of that articule?.

Before you do, I'll let you know. I was serving in Lebanon when that articule was printed.. I was with the 88th Irish Battalion, UNIFIL.

I'll just leave you with this thought.. Our biggest regret on withdrawing from Lebanon was the PLO's failure to provide us with information which would allow us to bring home the remains of Private Kevin Joyce (18).. Instead the Palestinians use his remains as a political pawn, making us make political protestations against Israel in the hope that they'll provide us with a snippet of information leading to his recover.. Today he's the longest held kidnap victim in Lebanon.

I'm fully aware of that. but the OP was looking for advice on moving to Israel and I was providing him/her with some information that he/she may find of interest.

arybvtcw0eolkf · 30-01-2011 04:32PM

Zebra3 wrote: »

The Israelis were spreading the "drunken Paddies" propaganda because Irish troops were limiting their invasion of another country.

Weak, very weak. And for your information, we were very well able to do that all by ourselves without the help of the Israeli's.. Indeed, had Robert Fisk wished to finish that articule he could have told you about the St.Patricks day celebrations in the officers mess in Camp Shamrock.

In fact, given there was a war we enjoyed pretty good relations with the Israelis, better with the Lebanese, awful with the Palestinians & dreadful with the Hezbollah & Amal.

And in fact we didn't limit their invasion of another country, in a heart beat the IDF could have swept us to one side.. And 'The battle of At Tiri' Robert Fisk refer's to was a very limited action between the South Lebanese Army and UNIFIL troops from Ireland, Fiji and Denmark.

Zebra3 wrote: »

I'm fully aware of that. but the OP was looking for advice on moving to Israel and I was providing him/her with some information that he/she may find of interest.

And what would the OP find interesting in an articule about an Irish infantry battalion serving with UNIFIL, the PLO, the Hezbollah, a kidnapped Irish soldier, the SLA and the Israeli army in LEBANON?.

We're returning this summer, guess what the biggest moan is "bollox, the Israeli border is closed", that and the fact it's going to be a "dry trip" (no gargle).

UglyBolloxFace · 30-01-2011 05:21PM

Alejandra Damaged Photography wrote: »

Wanna talk about the contents of that articule?.

Before you do, I'll let you know. I was serving in Lebanon when that articule was printed.. I was with the 88th Irish Battalion, UNIFIL.

I'll just leave you with this thought.. Our biggest regret on withdrawing from Lebanon was the PLO's failure to provide us with information which would allow us to bring home the remains of Private Kevin Joyce (18).. Instead the Palestinians use his remains as a political pawn, making us make political protestations against Israel in the hope that they'll provide us with a snippet of information leading to his recover.. Today he's the longest held kidnap victim in Lebanon.

Should you be divulging all of this information? Isn't it classified? Or is it already public knowledge?

UglyBolloxFace · 30-01-2011 05:26PM

rainbowdrop wrote: »

I met an Isreali guy once, when I was staying at the Flying Pig hostel

The irony of an Israeli guy staying at a hostel with that name

kincsem · 30-01-2011 05:29PM

Easy.

5th July 1950 - Law of Return passes, guarantees all Jews right to live in Israel

and also the day I was born.

The Law of Return 5710 (1950)*

Right of aliyah**
1. Every Jew has the right to come to this country as an oleh**.
Oleh's visa 2. (a) Aliyah shall be by oleh's visa. (b) An oleh's visa shall be granted to every Jew who has expressed his desire to settle in Israel, unless the Minister of Immigration is satisfied that the applicant

(1) is engaged in an activity directed against the Jewish people; or
(2) is likely to endanger public health or the security of the State.

Oleh's certificate 3. (a) A Jew who has come to Israel and subsequent to his arrival has expressed his desire to settle in Israel may, while still in Israel, receive an oleh's certificate. (b) The restrictions specified in section 2(b) shall apply also to the grant of an oleh's certificate, but a person shall not be regarded as endangering public health on account of an illness contracted after his arrival in Israel.

Residents and persons born in this country 4. Every Jew who has immigrated into this country before the coming into force of this Law, and every Jew who was born in this country, whether before or after the coming into force of this Law, shall be deemed to be a person who has come to this country as an oleh under this Law.
Implementation and regulations 5. The Minister of Immigration is charged with the implementation of this Law and may make regulations as to any matter relating to such implementation and also as to the grant of oleh's visas and oleh's certificates to minors up to the age of 18 years.

arybvtcw0eolkf · 30-01-2011 06:04PM

UglyBolloxFace wrote: »

Should you be divulging all of this information? Isn't it classified? Or is it already public knowledge?

Seriously?...

yea I'll act dumb.. The above is classified information - Jesus H Christ on a stick!.

Nah, its public and no I'm not looking for links its all out there re. Private Joyce.

comeraghs · 30-01-2011 06:20PM

Israel is a fantastic country with wonderful history & great people. I spent 6 months on a kibbutz about a decade ago & I'd highly recommend it. Try a kibbutz first or Holiday too see if it is for you.

I wouldn't take the Anti-Isreal rubbish comparing the country with Naziism and all that seriously .... it's mostly by posh people with their che guevara t-shirts who think it's cool to be anti-Israel/USA/Democracy & think that Autocratic govts like Hizbollah/Cuba/Venezuela are the bees Knees ..... just proves that left wingers can be just as narrow-minded as right wingers.

Holybejaysus · 30-01-2011 06:55PM

1. Is there work for foreigners in Israel?

2. I would imagine you would need to be quite fluent in Hebrew, or could you get a job if you speak English? Say, in a hostel for example?

3. What is the pay like?

4. Israel is really a place I would love to visit, and work in for a period. How would one go about getting a work visa and finding work? How long is the visa for?

I'm not Jewish, or looking to convert or emigrate there. I just want to check the place out and make some money whilst travelling.

Note: I couldn't care less about the Palestinian cause, nor do I want to hear the paranoid rantings of the pro-Israel brigade. I really don't give a damn about the politics of either side, so don't bore me with the point scoring attempts.

I just want impartial, non-politically biased advice on my above questions please.

Kivaro · 30-01-2011 08:03PM

Holybejaysus wrote: »

I just want impartial, non-politically biased advice on my above questions please.

Well, you're screwed then.

Nodin · 30-01-2011 08:19PM

UglyBolloxFace wrote: »

Should you be divulging all of this information? Isn't it classified? Or is it already public knowledge?

http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2001/may/06/lebanon.ireland

benagain · 30-01-2011 08:33PM

comeraghs wrote: »

Israel is a fantastic country with wonderful history & great people. I spent 6 months on a kibbutz about a decade ago & I'd highly recommend it. Try a kibbutz first or Holiday too see if it is for you.

I wouldn't take the Anti-Isreal rubbish comparing the country with Naziism and all that seriously .... it's mostly by posh people with their che guevara t-shirts who think it's cool to be anti-Israel/USA/Democracy & think that Autocratic govts like Hizbollah/Cuba/Venezuela are the bees Knees ..... just proves that left wingers can be just as narrow-minded as right wingers.

if you want to live there for any lenght of time you will also be required to do 2 yrs milatary service or so im told

How hard is it to emigrate to Israel?

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