anyone here going to vote sinn féin?

shtemcguire · 28-01-2011 06:38PM #1

they have policies that want to help the poor and they are republican which is good

Nozebleed · 28-01-2011 06:39PM

yes. i look forward to the 5 way leader debate. will make interesting viewing.

shtemcguire · 28-01-2011 06:48PM

Nozebleed wrote: »

yes. i look forward to the 5 way leader debate. will make interesting viewing.

when is it?

Ken. · 28-01-2011 06:49PM

yes,if theres one running in my area(kildare south)

lugha · 28-01-2011 07:18PM

shtemcguire wrote: »

they have policies that want to help the poor

Leaving aside my usual reservations about SF, it is very possible that their policies would make everybody, poor included, considerably worst off. And in any case, their policies won't matter much unless they are in power (most unlikely), and also have sufficient clout to impose their policies over the very different ones of the other parties (even more unlikely).

In truth, if you considering voting SF, you should do so on the basis of effective they will be as an opposition party, not a party of government.

shtemcguire wrote: »

and they are republican which is good

If by this you mean they give the united Ireland project greater priority, then it is largely irrelevant. The mechanism to make this happen is agreed, there is very little they can do in practice to make it happen any quicker.

Nehaxak · 28-01-2011 07:20PM

Yep, voting SF here.

henryporter · 28-01-2011 08:26PM

After watching Pierse Doherty on Primetime on Wednesday last an emphatic NO! - I can't believe that the sum total of Sinn Fein's economic policies are to take what remains of the Pension Fund an what is on reserve in the Central Bank and use that to p!ss away on one years Public Expenditure while not having any idea what to do next year, while at the same time allowing us to become alienated by anyone willing to ever lend us money on the future (unless they're aiming to make us the first sub-prime Country!)

dartbhoy · 28-01-2011 08:27PM

I'll be voting for Sinn Fein,the first time their running a canidate in the Cork North West area and Des O'Grady will be getting my number 1.

eddison · 28-01-2011 08:27PM

You know it doesn't matter what their financial policies are, we have signed a contract for lots of money, and have to pay it back.
SF are not stoopid, they know if they had the choice to tax company directors like in INTEL to the hilt, they would leave.
But their financial policies are completely irrelevant, because they will be in power with someone else.
But mention that the first president of FG was Eoin O' Duffy also commander of the 2nd Northern division of the IRA, and they go strangely silent !! Funny also it that you will not find this particular piece of history on their web site???

There is no way in hell SF will be voted in, but be in power with FF, or FG, or LB probably. So those other parties who have more financial experience will balance SF out. Therefore it doesn't matter if they have have a policy to bring in the Hijab, they wont be able to do it without agreement from another party...

johngalway · 28-01-2011 08:41PM

No. I don't believe in wasting my vote.

namelessguy · 28-01-2011 08:49PM

eddison wrote: »

But that doesn't stop people who are SF haters (also hate travellers, forign nationals, coloured, and vote FG) bashing SF amap.

So you're ok with making sweeping generalisation that anyone who votes for FG are racists? You've obviously had a bad experience, was it the wifes family?

eddison wrote: »

But mention that the first president of FG was Eoin O' Duffy also commander of the 2nd Northern division of the IRA, and they go strangely silent !!

What relevance does that have with anything? Most of the founders of the modern political parties were members of the IRA.

eddison wrote: »

Funny also it that you will not find this particular piece of history on their web site???

I'm sure there's quite a bit of Sinn Féin's history that you won't find on their website. And is it relevant? I remember covering the topic in history in secondary school, as I'm sure anyone who took history at leaving cert level would have.

I won't be voting Sinn Féin. I don't agree with most of their policies and the whole issue of insisting that Gerry McCabe's killers were released not to mention a Ferris going to greet upon their release means I won't for the long term.

keithm1 · 28-01-2011 08:56PM

It will be a first for me and my family voting sf

eddison · 28-01-2011 09:10PM

So you're ok with making sweeping generalisation that anyone who votes for FG are racists? You've obviously had a bad experience, was it the wifes family?

Ok, you are right, I edited the comment out about FG and racism, fair enough.
The wifes family? ha! no dude, I think your getting me mixed up with Lars1916.

But you keep bringing up history, what about all the victims of Michael Collins? Do you know any of his victims names?

CoalBucket · 28-01-2011 09:23PM

I have a bit of a quandry when it comes to voting this time around. My constituency is Cork South Central. It looks like the last seat in this 5 seater will be a race between the Fianna Fail candidate Michael McGrath and the Sinn Fein candidate Chris O'Leary.

Normally I would never vote sinn fein. I am against most of their policies.
I don't want to vote for sinn fein but my vote might just be the difference in keeping a Fianna Fail TD out of the Dail.

Before the FF leadership change Micheal Martin was in trouble in this constituency. I definitely would have voted Sinn Fein if it meant keeping that slimeball out. But now he is the FF leader the local FF leeches or supporters as they like to call themselves will get him over the line.

So I am contemplating it.

namelessguy · 28-01-2011 09:24PM

eddison wrote: »

The wifes family? ha! no dude, I think your getting me mixed up with Lars1916.

My bad!

eddison wrote: »

But you keep bringing up history,?

I do believe you brought up history when you brought up Eoin O'Duffy.

eddison wrote: »

what about all the victims of Michael Collins? Do you know any of his victims names?

Nope. Nor do I know any of the "victims" of other War of Independence era IRA members nor the "victims" of the British forces.

What's the relevance of Michael Collin's "victims"?

eddison · 28-01-2011 09:33PM

Michael Collins is the founder of FG. I'm kinda used to people reliving history here, and bringing up treaty, anti treaty stuff.

The relevance is all parties had a gun in their hand at one stage, but all have changed. And I believe SF have changed too.

eddison · 28-01-2011 09:44PM

CoalBucket wrote: »

Before the FF leadership change Micheal Martin was in trouble in this constituency. I definitely would have voted Sinn Fein if it meant keeping that slimeball out. But now he is the FF leader the local FF leeches or supporters as they like to call themselves will get him over the line.

So I am contemplating it.

Why is Martin, (i call him MOTU master of the universe-non smoking) a slimeball?
He does come across as 'quiet now children, adults are talking'.

namelessguy · 28-01-2011 09:50PM

eddison wrote: »

Michael Collins is the founder of FG..

Michael Collins died in 1922. Fine Gael was founded in 1933.

eddison wrote: »

The relevance is all parties had a gun in their hand at one stage, but all have changed. And I believe SF have changed too.

True but none of them advocated for and celebrated the release of the killers of a Gard who did nothing other than attempt to uphold the laws of the country and protect it's citizens.

CoalBucket · 28-01-2011 10:05PM

eddison wrote: »

Why is Martin, (i call him MOTU master of the universe-non smoking) a slimeball?
He does come across as 'quiet now children, adults are talking'.

Well apart from his obvious political failings of which theyre are many, he just comes across as a slimeball to me and i have met him many times.

the groutch · 28-01-2011 10:18PM

CoalBucket wrote: »

I have a bit of a quandry when it comes to voting this time around. My constituency is Cork South Central. It looks like the last seat in this 5 seater will be a race between the Fianna Fail candidate Michael McGrath and the Sinn Fein candidate Chris O'Leary.

Normally I would never vote sinn fein. I am against most of their policies.
I don't want to vote for sinn fein but my vote might just be the difference in keeping a Fianna Fail TD out of the Dail.

Before the FF leadership change Micheal Martin was in trouble in this constituency. I definitely would have voted Sinn Fein if it meant keeping that slimeball out. But now he is the FF leader the local FF leeches or supporters as they like to call themselves will get him over the line.

So I am contemplating it.

yeah, I can see alot of people voting for SF (and ULA and independents) where it's a close thing, just to keep a FF candidate out

28-01-2011 10:22PM

Honestly, there's enough threads that delve into the History of Sinn Fein, the title of this thread is

"anyone here going to vote sinn féin?"

So lets keep it to that please. No more derailing please.

eddison · 28-01-2011 10:23PM

namelessguy wrote: »

Michael Collins died in 1922. Fine Gael was founded in 1933.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fine_Gael

namelessguy · 28-01-2011 10:30PM

eddison wrote: »

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fine_Gael

Perchance did you look at the frame to the right? Third sentence down, underneath the current deputy leader?

Back on topic, have never voted for Sinn Fein and don't think I ever will. Some of it has to do with their policies but alot of it would have to do with their history. Though if unionists in NI can go in to NI then I should at least consider them and not dismiss them out of hand. The racit FG voter that I am :pac:

thetonynator · 28-01-2011 11:21PM

shtemcguire wrote: »

they have policies that want to help the poor and they are republican which is good

They have policies - I think you will find every political party has policies!

As for voting for them - I can't imagine why anyone would want to vote for a party that has such strong ties with a terrorist organisation.

They have two candidates in Carlow-Kilkenny, with a 16% support overall. (Opinion poll in Kilkenny people on wednesday). If the transfers work out right for them they might take a seat.

cabledude · 28-01-2011 11:44PM

What sealed Sinn Fein's fate with me was the time Martin Ferris daughter was a guest on The Late Late show. She at the time was the mayor of Tralee(I think).
She was asked repeatedly to condemn the murder of Det.Garda Gerry McCabe in Askeaton , Limerick in the early 90's. She refused to do so.

Any person elected to any office in Irish society must at all times encourage the citizens to uphold the laws of the land. For her to refuse to condemn this cold blooded murder was a disgracefull way to behave. Whatever her personal views on the matter, she was on the show as the Mayor and youngest member of Tralee council and therefore had an obligation to act accordingly.

I would never vote for a party who's officials would refuse to condemn the murder of a Garda.

On top of this their economic policies are hare brained and off the wall. Gerry Adams was interviewed for BBC radio in recent days and could not tell the interviewer what the VAT rates in Ireland were. He then went on to say that childrens allowance should not have been cut. Again the interviewer probed this point by asking Mr. Adams what the child benefit rates were in Ireland. He did not know. I will rest my case.

tomasocarthaigh · 29-01-2011 04:07AM

Ill be voting SF / ULA in Laois Offaly, and for Tony Mc Laughlin if he runs in the General Election. What order? Probably ULA No 1, if eleiminated it'll then benefit SF who may need the transfer, maximising my vote...

eddison · 29-01-2011 04:18AM

Perchance did you look at the frame to the right? Third sentence down, underneath the current deputy leader?

Yes, Namelessguy, Officially, Fianna Gael started in 1933, officially, that is but who is to know when it unofficially started?
Fianna Gael was inextricably linked with the IRA, with Eoin O' Duffy. Eoin O' Duffy was president of Fianna gael. He was also Chief of Staff of the IRA, around 1922. This was also the time Collins was shot dead. So it seems reasonable to assume Collins, and Eoin O' Duffy may have unofficially started Fianna Gael around that time.

Wikipedia also states:
'''Although most Irish political parties recognise his [Michael Collins] contribution to the foundation of the modern Irish state, supporters of Fine Gael hold his memory in particular esteem, regarding him as their movement's founding father, through his link to their precursor Cumann na nGaedheal.'''

Therefore we have Eoin O' Duffy Chief of staff of the IRA, and president of Fianna Gael, and Michael Collins according to wikipedia regarded as the founder. Both men connected with Fianna Gael, and the suggested date around 1922. This could be way out though

femur61 · 29-01-2011 08:16AM

namelessguy wrote: »

I won't be voting Sinn Féin. I don't agree with most of their policies and the whole issue of insisting that Gerry McCabe's killers were released not to mention a Ferris going to greet upon their release means I won't for the long term.

Besides having screwed up economic policies The above reason will have a huge influence on me why I would never vote SF. Burn the bond holders and what happens to my savings?

namelessguy · 29-01-2011 01:19PM

eddison wrote: »

Yes, Namelessguy, Officially, Fianna Gael started in 1933, officially, that is but who is to know when it unofficially started?
Fianna Gael was inextricably linked with the IRA, with Eoin O' Duffy. Eoin O' Duffy was president of Fianna gael. He was also Chief of Staff of the IRA, around 1922. This was also the time Collins was shot dead. So it seems reasonable to assume Collins, and Eoin O' Duffy may have unofficially started Fianna Gael around that time.

Wikipedia also states:
'''Although most Irish political parties recognise his [Michael Collins] contribution to the foundation of the modern Irish state, supporters of Fine Gael hold his memory in particular esteem, regarding him as their movement's founding father, through his link to their precursor Cumann na nGaedheal.'''

Therefore we have Eoin O' Duffy Chief of staff of the IRA, and president of Fianna Gael, and Michael Collins according to wikipedia regarded as the founder. Both men connected with Fianna Gael, and the suggested date around 1922. This could be way out though

Yes Eoin O'Duffy was a member of the IRA .As where two other leaders of Fine Gael, WT Cosgrave and Richard Mulchay. Eoin O'Duffy was also a general in the Free State Army, which was formed around a core of pre-treaty IRA members when the IRA split after the War of Independence. To top that off he served as the first commissioner of An Garda Síochána.

Why is at all relevant that some Independence era IRA members formed Fine Gael? They also formed Fianna Fail.

Capt'n Midnight · 29-01-2011 01:35PM

eddison wrote: »

Michael Collins is the founder of FG. I'm kinda used to people reliving history here, and bringing up treaty, anti treaty stuff.

The relevance is all parties had a gun in their hand at one stage, but all have changed. And I believe SF have changed too.

oh dear lord

this crap again

excluding those politicians who were in SF or an offshoot of SF name one elected representative who had a gun in their hand since CJ was accused of gun running 40 years ago ??????

Gerry on the other hand has been president of SF for the last 28 years (so no fresh blood there ) and both the Irish and British governments have stated that he is/was on the IRA Army Council.

I suspect there is a lot of shilling going on, the % of threads about SF are a lot higher than their vote and a lot of posters with low counts.

highlandseoghan · 29-01-2011 01:46PM

I will be voting sf because they are the only party to care for the poor and unemployed. No other party will do anything for the less well off. I will also be voting for 2 independents.

Sf will work hard for the irish people I dont think any other party will work as hard.

anyone here going to vote sinn féin?

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