Apparently up to 100,000 Irish people were sold into slavery in the 17th century.

BenjAii · 02-04-2010 06:53PM #1

I have to say, I'd never heard of this before ever, so am a little credulous. Would love to hear if anyone has more information on this.

The story being that Cromwell between 1651-60 sold somewhere between 50,000 - 100,000 Irish women and children into slavery in the Caribbean.

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0863222870?ie=UTF8&tag=moonpoint&linkCode=xm2&camp=1789&creativeASIN=0863222870

recedite · 02-04-2010 09:51PM

Apparently they all died of tropical diseases within a short time, so he had to refund the money. That's when they got the idea of going to Africa.

jdooley28 · 03-04-2010 01:38AM

to hell or barbados!

pwd · 03-04-2010 01:41AM

recedite wrote: »

Apparently they all died of tropical diseases within a short time, so he had to refund the money. That's when they got the idea of going to Africa.

that's interesting. can you link a source?

paddyland · 03-04-2010 06:16AM

So not only was he a puritanical monster, but he was a corrupt puritanical monster...

red herring · 03-04-2010 06:19AM

pure evil.:mad:

pwd · 03-04-2010 06:32AM

he abolished christmas celebrations in england apparently

http://scholar.google.co.uk/scholar?hl=en&q=cromwell+%22abolished+christmas%22&as_sdt=2000&as_ylo=&as_vis=0

pwd · 04-04-2010 01:32PM

http://www.amazon.com/Stolen-Village-Baltimore-Barbary-Pirates/dp/0862789559

more on irish slavery

longshanks · 06-04-2010 10:56PM

the shamrock is the national symbol on monserrat (where the volcano erupted a few years back)

merengueca · 09-04-2010 06:11PM

Also Monserrat celebrates St Patricks day, grows shamrock and has a fine smattering of Kelly's, Murphy's etc as local surnames. In fact some linguists connect the island accent with certain Irish inflections.

caesarthechimp · 09-04-2010 09:17PM

I think the later Irish migration to places like Monserrat involved the Irish as slave owners and foremen rather than slaves.

neil_18_ · 10-04-2010 10:00PM

jdooley28 wrote: »

to hell or barbados!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kLLH1i5_LlQ

dermothickey · 13-04-2010 10:13PM

Plantations it all started with the plantation of Ireland. We were slaves here and we were slaves there too....apparently the first slaves brought to the states in Virginia were all Irish.

irishtrader · 01-09-2010 04:55PM

i was reading somewhere that a priest from there traced his roots back to drogheda and he visited the town last summer to try and build ties as a number of people from his area are of irish ancestry..

Overheal · 02-09-2010 03:47PM

we grew up thinking the Irish were hard workers...

Now we know they were just worked hard.

A much better fit with modern Ireland, no?

Coriolanus · 02-09-2010 10:36PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0uCOrLJ_rQQ

ValJester · 16-10-2010 02:43AM

Indentured servants is a more accurate term for the Irish who entered slavery. By that I mean the fact that the Irish who initially crossed the Atlantic to be used as unskilled labour agreed to bonded labour in exchange for passage, hardly a surprise given the chaos of early modern Europe. These Irish would have been very cruelly expolited, however their treatment differs somewhat from black slavery, as the Irish labourer's children would have been born free.

dory · 21-10-2010 09:29PM

As has been said, Ireland has a connection with Montserrat, and there was once a black Irish speaking population there, who I was told learned Irish from their boss (the Irish slave owner).

Pablo Sanchez · 16-01-2011 03:52PM

Montserrat is the only other country in the world that celebrates March 17th as their national day...not in recognition of st Pat but rather to commemorate the date of a slave revolt against the Irish land/slave owners, they figured it was a good time to do so while the Irish were enjoying their st Patrick's days shenanigans.

Mahatma coat · 25-01-2011 02:42AM

I have heard interesting tales about this too

apparently trhe first waves to the Carribian were Bonded slaves, but by the third boat Irish 'Pioneers' were rockin up in their sunday finest ready for a new life

charlemont · 25-01-2011 02:44AM

Its true alright..

charlemont · 25-01-2011 02:48AM

Enrate wrote: »

I think the later Irish migration to places like Monserrat involved the Irish as slave owners and foremen rather than slaves.

Ulster scots irish/ anglo irish were the slave owners , as far as I know..too tired to find link

recedite · 25-01-2011 10:40AM

charlemont wrote: »

Ulster scots irish/ anglo irish were the slave owners , as far as I know..too tired to find link

When in doubt, Blame the Brits...:rolleyes:

charlemont · 25-01-2011 03:25PM

recedite wrote: »

When in doubt, Blame the Brits...:rolleyes:

Its true , honest, The great famine wasnt the only famine Ireland had,

( Just a few generations after arriving in Ulster, considerable numbers of Ulster-Scots emigrated to the North American colonies of Great Britain. Between 1717 and 1775, an estimated 200,000 migrated to what became the United States of America.[7] In the United States Census of 2000, 4.3 million Americans (1.5% of the population of the United States) claimed Scotch-Irish ancestry. The author Jim Webb suggests that the true number of people with some Scotch-Irish heritage in the United States is more in the region of 27 million.[8][9][10] Two possible reasons have been suggested[who?] for the disparity of the figures of the census and the estimation.)

aujopimur · 25-01-2011 05:32PM

charlemont wrote: »

Its true , honest, The great famine wasnt the only famine Ireland had,

( Just a few generations after arriving in Ulster, considerable numbers of Ulster-Scots emigrated to the North American colonies of Great Britain. Between 1717 and 1775, an estimated 200,000 migrated to what became the United States of America.[7] In the United States Census of 2000, 4.3 million Americans (1.5% of the population of the United States) claimed Scotch-Irish ancestry. The author Jim Webb suggests that the true number of people with some Scotch-Irish heritage in the United States is more in the region of 27 million.[8][9][10] Two possible reasons have been suggested[who?] for the disparity of the figures of the census and the estimation.)

Hence the name Hillbillys

charlemont · 25-01-2011 06:20PM

aujopimur wrote: »

Hence the name Hillbillys

True King Billy of the Hill, the red or orange scarfs gave the term Rednecks, And im sure they were thinking of the Peep O Day Boys when they founded the KKK.

parmaviolet · 25-01-2011 06:26PM

There was a documentary about this on TG4 a while ago called "Red Legs". Can't find it on youtube unfortunately but it was very interesting, apparently the Irish slaves were unable to withstand the heat of the sun for too long (hence the name) and were replaced with African slaves and simply left to live on their own on the islands.

Ah here we go http://live.tg4.ie/main.aspx?content=29594557441 might just be visible in Ireland

aujopimur · 25-01-2011 07:55PM

There is a very interisting book The Stolen Village which tells of the inhabitants of Baltimore in West Cork Being taken to North Africa by slavers in the 1600's.

hatz7 · 28-04-2011 11:05PM

to hell or barbados by Sean O'Callaghan is about it

Its a good read!

charlemont · 28-04-2011 11:09PM

recedite wrote: »

Apparently they all died of tropical diseases within a short time, so he had to refund the money. That's when they got the idea of going to Africa.

Yes, It was because we couldnt work in that climate to the same extent as the Africans could for obvious reasons..

hatful · 20-08-2011 12:43PM

The Scotti (Irish raiders) carried out attacks in the 5th century when the Roman empire in Britain was crumbled and brought slaves back to Ireland. That's how St. Patrick came to Ireland the first time round.

Apparently up to 100,000 Irish people were sold into slavery in the 17th century.

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