Apparently up to 100,000 Irish people were sold into slavery in the 17th century.

BenjAii

I have to say, I'd never heard of this before ever, so am a little credulous. Would love to hear if anyone has more information on this.

The story being that Cromwell between 1651-60 sold somewhere between 50,000 - 100,000 Irish women and children into slavery in the Caribbean.


http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0863222870?ie=UTF8&tag=moonpoint&linkCode=xm2&camp=1789&creativeASIN=0863222870

recedite

Apparently they all died of tropical diseases within a short time, so he had to refund the money. That's when they got the idea of going to Africa.

jdooley28

to hell or barbados!

pwd

recedite wrote: »

Apparently they all died of tropical diseases within a short time, so he had to refund the money. That's when they got the idea of going to Africa.

that's interesting. can you link a source?

paddyland

So not only was he a puritanical monster, but he was a corrupt puritanical monster...

red herring

pure evil.:mad:

pwd

he abolished christmas celebrations in england apparently

http://scholar.google.co.uk/scholar?hl=en&q=cromwell+%22abolished+christmas%22&as_sdt=2000&as_ylo=&as_vis=0

pwd

http://www.amazon.com/Stolen-Village-Baltimore-Barbary-Pirates/dp/0862789559

more on irish slavery

longshanks

the shamrock is the national symbol on monserrat (where the volcano erupted a few years back)

merengueca

Also Monserrat celebrates St Patricks day, grows shamrock and has a fine smattering of Kelly's, Murphy's etc as local surnames. In fact some linguists connect the island accent with certain Irish inflections.

caesarthechimp

I think the later Irish migration to places like Monserrat involved the Irish as slave owners and foremen rather than slaves.

neil_18_

jdooley28 wrote: »

to hell or barbados!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kLLH1i5_LlQ

dermothickey

Plantations it all started with the plantation of Ireland. We were slaves here and we were slaves there too....apparently the first slaves brought to the states in Virginia were all Irish.

irishtrader

i was reading somewhere that a priest from there traced his roots back to drogheda and he visited the town last summer to try and build ties as a number of people from his area are of irish ancestry..

Overheal

we grew up thinking the Irish were hard workers...

Now we know they were just worked hard.

A much better fit with modern Ireland, no?

Coriolanus

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0uCOrLJ_rQQ

ValJester

Indentured servants is a more accurate term for the Irish who entered slavery. By that I mean the fact that the Irish who initially crossed the Atlantic to be used as unskilled labour agreed to bonded labour in exchange for passage, hardly a surprise given the chaos of early modern Europe. These Irish would have been very cruelly expolited, however their treatment differs somewhat from black slavery, as the Irish labourer's children would have been born free.

dory

As has been said, Ireland has a connection with Montserrat, and there was once a black Irish speaking population there, who I was told learned Irish from their boss (the Irish slave owner).

Pablo Sanchez

Montserrat is the only other country in the world that celebrates March 17th as their national day...not in recognition of st Pat but rather to commemorate the date of a slave revolt against the Irish land/slave owners, they figured it was a good time to do so while the Irish were enjoying their st Patrick's days shenanigans.

Mahatma coat

I have heard interesting tales about this too

apparently trhe first waves to the Carribian were Bonded slaves, but by the third boat Irish 'Pioneers' were rockin up in their sunday finest ready for a new life

charlemont

Its true alright..

charlemont

Enrate wrote: »

I think the later Irish migration to places like Monserrat involved the Irish as slave owners and foremen rather than slaves.

Ulster scots irish/ anglo irish were the slave owners , as far as I know..too tired to find link

recedite

charlemont wrote: »

Ulster scots irish/ anglo irish were the slave owners , as far as I know..too tired to find link

When in doubt, Blame the Brits...:rolleyes:

charlemont

recedite wrote: »

When in doubt, Blame the Brits...:rolleyes:

Its true , honest, The great famine wasnt the only famine Ireland had,

( Just a few generations after arriving in Ulster, considerable numbers of Ulster-Scots emigrated to the North American colonies of Great Britain. Between 1717 and 1775, an estimated 200,000 migrated to what became the United States of America.[7] In the United States Census of 2000, 4.3 million Americans (1.5% of the population of the United States) claimed Scotch-Irish ancestry. The author Jim Webb suggests that the true number of people with some Scotch-Irish heritage in the United States is more in the region of 27 million.[8][9][10] Two possible reasons have been suggested[who?] for the disparity of the figures of the census and the estimation.)

aujopimur

charlemont wrote: »

Its true , honest, The great famine wasnt the only famine Ireland had,

( Just a few generations after arriving in Ulster, considerable numbers of Ulster-Scots emigrated to the North American colonies of Great Britain. Between 1717 and 1775, an estimated 200,000 migrated to what became the United States of America.[7] In the United States Census of 2000, 4.3 million Americans (1.5% of the population of the United States) claimed Scotch-Irish ancestry. The author Jim Webb suggests that the true number of people with some Scotch-Irish heritage in the United States is more in the region of 27 million.[8][9][10] Two possible reasons have been suggested[who?] for the disparity of the figures of the census and the estimation.)

Hence the name Hillbillys

charlemont

aujopimur wrote: »

Hence the name Hillbillys

True King Billy of the Hill, the red or orange scarfs gave the term Rednecks, And im sure they were thinking of the Peep O Day Boys when they founded the KKK.

parmaviolet

There was a documentary about this on TG4 a while ago called "Red Legs". Can't find it on youtube unfortunately but it was very interesting, apparently the Irish slaves were unable to withstand the heat of the sun for too long (hence the name) and were replaced with African slaves and simply left to live on their own on the islands.

Ah here we go http://live.tg4.ie/main.aspx?content=29594557441 might just be visible in Ireland

aujopimur

There is a very interisting book The Stolen Village which tells of the inhabitants of Baltimore in West Cork Being taken to North Africa by slavers in the 1600's.

hatz7

to hell or barbados by Sean O'Callaghan is about it

Its a good read!

charlemont

recedite wrote: »

Apparently they all died of tropical diseases within a short time, so he had to refund the money. That's when they got the idea of going to Africa.

Yes, It was because we couldnt work in that climate to the same extent as the Africans could for obvious reasons..

hatful

The Scotti (Irish raiders) carried out attacks in the 5th century when the Roman empire in Britain was crumbled and brought slaves back to Ireland. That's how St. Patrick came to Ireland the first time round.

Zzippy

I was in Montserrat about 25 years ago and remember having my passport stamped with a shamrock. The local tour guide who drove us around claimed the first slaves on the island were Irish, and later waves of black slaves replaced them, they intermarried so a lot of the islanders have Irish surnames. Driving around quite a few of the businesses did have Irish names.
Beautiful place, such a pity about the volcanic eruption that pretty much destroyed it.

shanered

Here there is only 5,000 or so people still living there. Would love to visit it!