CHEMTRAILS

SLUMLAMB · 22-01-2011 10:18PM

MeteoritesEire wrote: »

forgive me for not reading thru all 42 pages of this thread but I'd like to point out a website that lets you track commercial flights.I know which jets are flying over my house in Donegal.I think chemtrails are likely just ordinary contrails in various different conditions
http://www.flightaware.com

thanks but is therea way to find out what planes if any should be in a given place at a given time without having flight numbers or place of departure/arrival

SLUMLAMB · 22-01-2011 10:54PM

King Mob wrote: »

My bad. Thought you said someone had already done so.

If it was only one experiment done once, then yea basic science would require that I withhold judgement until more tests where done.

Then in that case, if you are to hold yourself to the standard you'd like to hold me to, you must go out and do this experiment yourself to disprove any and all nonsensical things I claim is up there, like pixie dust. Sounds fair right?

The reason I feel no need to do the experiment is because there is nothing to convince me there's anything there in the first place.
The believers however are claiming that there is something up there.

Well no it doesn't, the site makes references to natural phenomenon. As far as I saw there was nothing there about weather medication or chemtrails.

But as has been pointed out many times here, there are tons of examples of actual weather modification, none of which are secret.

But lets assume that the site said what you'd like it to say, that chemtrails are a type of weather modification.
After taking so much care to prevent a single person of the hundreds of thousands involved from speaking out and making sure that no one ever say any of the spraying planes on the ground and bribing flight tracking sites to keep the planes hidden, why in the world would they let the entire game slip on a government controlled website?

Yes I have. What's your point?

I dont want the site so say anything I would much prefer if none of it were true Im just pointing out that its plausable for aerosols (man made or not) to exist and to spread across the sky. So you believe that there is such a thing as weather modification just not in the form of chem trails Im interested to know what ways you think these people are using to do it and also who you think are doing it. The technology exists for submarines to go un-noticed so why not for planes and military air craft for obvious reasons do not show up on any of these sites so no bribing necessary. They are not letting the game slip you need to read between the lines. Whats your explaination on the trails you saw then and how many trails did you see at the same time.
one more link for you since you want to hear from a pilot who bear in mind may or may not know exactly what he is spraying but doesnt mean he isnt spraying.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XsBQpuBklI8

alastair · 22-01-2011 10:58PM

There are a number of sites that allow you to view a map to see live air traffic

http://www.radarvirtuel.com/

http://www.flightradar24.com/

22-01-2011 11:25PM

SLUMLAMB wrote: »

I dont want the site so say anything I would much prefer if none of it were true Im just pointing out that its plausable for aerosols (man made or not) to exist and to spread across the sky.

Yes. They are called clouds.

SLUMLAMB wrote: »

So you believe that there is such a thing as weather modification just not in the form of chem trails Im interested to know what ways you think these people are using to do it and also who you think are doing it.

Yes, it's called cloud seeding. They spray clouds with silver iodide and other things to induce it to start raining. They use this to elevate drought, disrupt potentially damaging storms and in a few cases stop it raining on important events like how China did.
None of this is secret.

SLUMLAMB wrote: »

The technology exists for submarines to go un-noticed so why not for planes and military air craft for obvious reasons do not show up on any of these sites so no bribing necessary.

So these are stealth planes that look and act exactly like normal planes?

SLUMLAMB wrote: »

They are not letting the game slip you need to read between the lines.

How exactly does "read between the lines" mean anything other than "assume it proves a conspiracy"

Why have this site at all? Why leave this so people can "read between the lines"?

SLUMLAMB wrote: »

Whats your explaination on the trails you saw then and how many trails did you see at the same time.

I don't have exact numbers because I have seen this many, many times.
And I have seen many many trails at the same time.
I believe based on the evidence for and lack of evidence against, that they trails are simply condensation.
Again, what's your point?

SLUMLAMB wrote: »

one more link for you since you want to hear from a pilot who bear in mind may or may not know exactly what he is spraying but doesnt mean he isnt spraying.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XsBQpuBklI8

Now leaving aside that this is poorly edited and the hypocrisy of a CTer ignoring a person's right to privacy when it suits them, and the fact that they are leaving out a lot of important details.
Why exactly would they be even able to walk into the base where the chemtrails come from, let alone find it or even have an employee say out loud their evil plan?

SLUMLAMB · 22-01-2011 11:43PM

*melanie* wrote: »

I love how my posting of my picture this morning was ignored.

Well? Is that amount of 'contrails' normal?? I really don't think so. Keep in mind, that was only what was in the view of the camera. There was many many more surrounding too.

Peace.

great pic
try get as many pics as possible as some people need to see the full extent of the criss cross formations so they cant argue that its normal flight paths theres no way the skies are that busy. Why argue against if you dont know or why would you care if you dont think anything us going on.

SLUMLAMB · 23-01-2011 12:14AM

King Mob wrote: »

Yes. They are called clouds.

Yes, it's called cloud seeding. They spray clouds with silver iodide and other things to induce it to start raining. They use this to elevate drought, disrupt potentially damaging storms and in a few cases stop it raining on important events like how China did.
None of this is secret.

So these are stealth planes that look and act exactly like normal planes?

How exactly does "read between the lines" mean anything other than "assume it proves a conspiracy"

Why have this site at all? Why leave this so people can "read between the lines"?

I don't have exact numbers because I have seen this many, many times.
And I have seen many many trails at the same time.
I believe based on the evidence for and lack of evidence against, that they trails are simply condensation.
Again, what's your point?

Now leaving aside that this is poorly edited and the hypocrisy of a CTer ignoring a person's right to privacy when it suits them, and the fact that they are leaving out a lot of important details.
Why exactly would they be even able to walk into the base where the chemtrails come from, let alone find it or even have an employee say out loud their evil plan?

1. How are they spraying? NOTE your now saying spraying and weather modification is real
2. I never mentioned stealth planes nor did I mention stealth submarines I said technology that would allow normal planes to go undetected if you dont believe in this type of technology then thats another days work
3. forget about read between the lines if you dont know what I meant thats your problem I was just saying they wont tell you in so many words but will give an indication as to something being there to maybe ward off at least some of the c.ters
4. I would prefer something of this nature not to be edited if it was edited I would be less likely to believe it as is shows there is bits that didnt fit what he was trying to get across. I dont really agree with filming someone without them knowing but the pilots identity is not revealed so I can overlook that plus every where you go these days you are being filmed monitored so makes no difference. This is not a BASE its a company and just like any other company it has a recaption which is where the recording took place finally as I said before you watched it the pilot may or may not know hat exactly he is spraying but he says he is spraying and if he did know he was sprying something he wouldn say it. Do you think the maker of the film built a "BASE" and made a sign for outside for the craic check out weather modification inc its a real company thats how he could find it

alastair · 23-01-2011 12:17AM

Cloud seeding has been public knowledge for donkeys years - it just has nothing to do with contrails or supposed 'chemtrails'. It's also of dubious effectiveness.

dapto1 · 23-01-2011 12:25AM

Don't think this has been posted:

http://skeptoid.com/episodes/4027

caseyann · 23-01-2011 12:34AM

dapto1 wrote: »

Don't think this has been posted:

http://skeptoid.com/episodes/4027

Ok who robbed our famous whistle blower who posts here

23-01-2011 01:41AM

SLUMLAMB wrote: »

1. How are they spraying? NOTE your now saying spraying and weather modification is real

By flying small civilian aircraft into the clouds they need to seed.

Again this isn't secret and it isn't chemtrails.

SLUMLAMB wrote: »

2. I never mentioned stealth planes nor did I mention stealth submarines I said technology that would allow normal planes to go undetected if you dont believe in this type of technology then thats another days work

So the planes are either invisible or underwater?

SLUMLAMB wrote: »

3. forget about read between the lines if you dont know what I meant thats your problem I was just saying they wont tell you in so many words but will give an indication as to something being there to maybe ward off at least some of the c.ters

Why? Why say it at all or ever and give nothing to the CTers?
Why would giving people clues to your diabolical plot ward them off?

Which parts of that site give any credence to chemtrails exactly?
How do you know it simply isn't what it appears to be: a boring section for climate research?

SLUMLAMB wrote: »

4. I would prefer something of this nature not to be edited if it was edited I would be less likely to believe it as is shows there is bits that didnt fit what he was trying to get across.

Yea but 4 minutes of silently driving to the building. That's just poor filmmaking.

SLUMLAMB wrote: »

I dont really agree with filming someone without them knowing but the pilots identity is not revealed so I can overlook that plus every where you go these days you are being filmed monitored so makes no difference.

But surely the people making sure chemtrails are kept underwraps would be able to figure it out? For all the filmmaker believes this guy's family could be put in danger if he becomes the leak that exposes chemtrails.
So not only is he a hypocrite by his own standards, he's a reckless hypocrite.

SLUMLAMB wrote: »

This is not a BASE its a company and just like any other company it has a recaption which is where the recording took place finally as I said before you watched it the pilot may or may not know hat exactly he is spraying but he says he is spraying and if he did know he was sprying something he wouldn say it.

But if you actually watch the film he says exactly what he sprays, where he does it and what it does.
But leaving the facts aside, why would he say anything at all to anyone? Why didn't he just tell the guy to get lost. (Frankly he would be well within his rights to do so even if he wasn't part of a vast conspiracy. Certainly what I'd do if some jerk turned up at my office expecting to film without a phone call first.)

SLUMLAMB wrote: »

Do you think the maker of the film built a "BASE" and made a sign for outside for the craic check out weather modification inc its a real company thats how he could find it

Again weather modification and cloud seeding (which is exactly what he is talking about) isn't a secret. There are many companies that do this for the various people who need it (again which he lists in the film).
What the filmmaker has done, is dishonestly present a guy who works for such a company and twisted the man's words to imply that he's referring to chemtrails when he is in fact doing no such thing.

So my opinion of the video:
A dishonest biased piece of garbage that the filmmaker should be ashamed of.

SLUMLAMB · 23-01-2011 06:41AM

King Mob wrote: »

By flying small civilian aircraft into the clouds they need to seed.

Again this isn't secret and it isn't chemtrails.

So the planes are either invisible or underwater?

Why? Why say it at all or ever and give nothing to the CTers?
Why would giving people clues to your diabolical plot ward them off?

Which parts of that site give any credence to chemtrails exactly?
How do you know it simply isn't what it appears to be: a boring section for climate research?

Yea but 4 minutes of silently driving to the building. That's just poor filmmaking.

But surely the people making sure chemtrails are kept underwraps would be able to figure it out? For all the filmmaker believes this guy's family could be put in danger if he becomes the leak that exposes chemtrails.
So not only is he a hypocrite by his own standards, he's a reckless hypocrite.

But if you actually watch the film he says exactly what he sprays, where he does it and what it does.
But leaving the facts aside, why would he say anything at all to anyone? Why didn't he just tell the guy to get lost. (Frankly he would be well within his rights to do so even if he wasn't part of a vast conspiracy. Certainly what I'd do if some jerk turned up at my office expecting to film without a phone call first.)

Again weather modification and cloud seeding (which is exactly what he is talking about) isn't a secret. There are many companies that do this for the various people who need it (again which he lists in the film).
What the filmmaker has done, is dishonestly present a guy who works for such a company and twisted the man's words to imply that he's referring to chemtrails when he is in fact doing no such thing.

So my opinion of the video:
A dishonest biased piece of garbage that the filmmaker should be ashamed of.

come on, a plane is a plane civilian or otherwise remember I never said the planes I saw were commercial or military or civilian/private big small or anything else so dont assume what I saw wasnt a civilian plane and what exactly do these planes you speak of do, simply fly up and gently encourage the clouds to rain or do they spray something into the cloud completly different to a clear sky being transformed into a cloud covered sky, which is what I and many others saw

What I was talking about was invisible to radar hense not needing to bribe any one in air teaffic control. you and I both know your smarter than to ask me about underwater planes or invisible planes. You know exactly what I meant of course they are not invisible everyone on this site has seen the planes they just dont all agree on what the trails are. Im starting to get the feeling you just want to offer smart replys. You have a brain use it to figure out what some one means if its not blatently obvious check the previous post, that sometimes jogs rhe memory if things are unclear.

I already told you to forget about that site so Im not getting into a discussion about it being boring or about psychology and tools used to deter a person or persons from one thing or another its not important now as I only showed you that link because I was under the impression you didnt think weather manipulation exists. You know it does So thats cleared up.

Dont focus on the start or on the quality of the film its whats being said in the film thats important because you asked for an interview with a pilot and you got one. The reason he speaks so freely about it is (a) he doesnt believe he is doing anything wrong as he works for a legit company and (b) he doesnt know he is being recorded and he says clearly he cant speak on camera without clearance, (why would his boss have these rules in place if there is no secrets involved somewhere) why would the pilot tell someone to get lost he had no way of knowing the man hadnt phoned the receptionist first. Your getting bogged down in the non important things again the reason I showed you this is because you wanted to know how none of the pilots ever say anything my point was simply the pilots might not even know they are doing what they are actally doing.

*melanie* · 23-01-2011 11:49AM

SLUMLAMB wrote: »

great pic
try get as many pics as possible as some people need to see the full extent of the criss cross formations so they cant argue that its normal flight paths theres no way the skies are that busy. Why argue against if you dont know or why would you care if you dont think anything us going on.

Thanks Slumlamb!

I was hoping to get feedback on the picture, although I see no-one, except for yourself, giving an opinion.
The debunkers have pretty much avoided it. Why?

There were criss cross patterns formed throughout the morning. I know the sky here in kilkenny is never this busy usually. I am not dumb.
I would have noticed, because I look to the sky all the time. Sadly, not enough people do this.

I will update with more pictures next time I see another spray. Today is very dull here, and I can see nothing.

Thanks for your comment.

alastair · 23-01-2011 11:55AM

SLUMLAMB wrote: »

What I was talking about was invisible to radar hense not needing to bribe any one in air teaffic control.

The best of luck with that.

alastair · 23-01-2011 12:00PM

*melanie* wrote: »

Thanks Slumlamb!

I was hoping to get feedback on the picture, although I see no-one, except for yourself, giving an opinion.
The debunkers have pretty much avoided it.

Because it's a picture of contrails - simple as that.
As to the revelation that there were lots of contrails recently - the big secret was covered on the RTE weather forecast no less - you weren't exactly alone in noticing them. That doesn't male them any more sinister or exotic though.

5uspect · 23-01-2011 12:26PM

*melanie* wrote: »

Thanks Slumlamb!

I was hoping to get feedback on the picture, although I see no-one, except for yourself, giving an opinion.
The debunkers have pretty much avoided it. Why?

There were criss cross patterns formed throughout the morning. I know the sky here in kilkenny is never this busy usually. I am not dumb.
I would have noticed, because I look to the sky all the time. Sadly, not enough people do this.

I will update with more pictures next time I see another spray. Today is very dull here, and I can see nothing.

Thanks for your comment.

There have been so many posts yesterday that I simply missed it.
There does not appear to be anything abnormal about the shot. It simply shows that there was a lot of air traffic over your area. If you look at the tracking sites linked to above you can probably check which flights these were.

The fact that they all follow the same direction is completely normal for aircraft.

namloc1980 · 23-01-2011 02:00PM

*melanie* wrote: »

Thanks Slumlamb!

I was hoping to get feedback on the picture, although I see no-one, except for yourself, giving an opinion.
The debunkers have pretty much avoided it. Why?

Because it's a picture of contrails. Nothing special about. Check out this website http://casper.frontier.nl/eidw/. It show aricraft that overfly us. The best thing is that you can select a date and time in the past and fast forward it to see the amount of aircraft that fly over Ireland. Each icon has the flight number, type of aircraft, destination etc on it.

23-01-2011 04:12PM

SLUMLAMB wrote: »

come on, a plane is a plane civilian or otherwise remember I never said the planes I saw were commercial or military or civilian/private big small or anything else so dont assume what I saw wasnt a civilian plane and what exactly do these planes you speak of do, simply fly up and gently encourage the clouds to rain or do they spray something into the cloud completly different to a clear sky being transformed into a cloud covered sky, which is what I and many others saw

The planes you saw were jets operated by airlines.
Cloud seeding planes are small private planes like Cessnas.
They don't go up to clear skies they go up and fly around a cloud.
Here are some videos
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gGoPiXoavi8&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2B3iMc3TG1g

SLUMLAMB wrote: »

What I was talking about was invisible to radar hense not needing to bribe any one in air teaffic control. you and I both know your smarter than to ask me about underwater planes or invisible planes. You know exactly what I meant of course they are not invisible everyone on this site has seen the planes they just dont all agree on what the trails are. Im starting to get the feeling you just want to offer smart replys. You have a brain use it to figure out what some one means if its not blatently obvious check the previous post, that sometimes jogs rhe memory if things are unclear.

Stealth plane:
http://www.techimo.com/forum/attachments/imo-community/19170d1202530750-counting-1000-images-f117_01.jpg
You can't just magic a commerical airliner and make it invisible to radar.
And if you're making the silly claim that the pilots don't know what they are doing, wouldn't they find it odd that their plane doesn't communicate with ground control and doesn't show up on anyone's radar?

SLUMLAMB wrote: »

I already told you to forget about that site so Im not getting into a discussion about it being boring or about psychology and tools used to deter a person or persons from one thing or another its not important now as I only showed you that link because I was under the impression you didnt think weather manipulation exists. You know it does So thats cleared up.

But nothing at all on that site has anything to do with manipulation.
But yea, if I was the head of a global evil conspiracy I totally would put evidence about it on my own sites, that's a great idea.

SLUMLAMB wrote: »

Dont focus on the start or on the quality of the film its whats being said in the film thats important because you asked for an interview with a pilot and you got one.

I actually did address what was said in the film, the comments of the quality and abject hypocrisy of the filmmaker were asides.
Also I asked for anyone who came forward about being actively involved in the conspiracy. By your own beliefs this pilot isn't involved.

SLUMLAMB wrote: »

The reason he speaks so freely about it is (a) he doesnt believe he is doing anything wrong as he works for a legit company and (b) he doesnt know he is being recorded and

No the reason he speaks so freely is because he works for a legitimate company that does a normal, not secret, service.
The film maker dishonestly implies that he is referring to chemtrails when he describes what he does.

SLUMLAMB wrote: »

he says clearly he cant speak on camera without clearance, (why would his boss have these rules in place if there is no secrets involved somewhere)

Because this is the case for most companies when a "documentary maker" asks for an interview. You'd never know when a dishonest hack might try to take your words out of context to further his agenda.

Now if your ridiculous logic holds and the boss put out this rule and forced all his employees to know it well, why isn't there a rule that prevents them from blabbing about the entire operation off camera to just anybody?

SLUMLAMB wrote: »

why would the pilot tell someone to get lost he had no way of knowing the man hadnt phoned the receptionist first.

Because the hack of filmmaker told him that he didn't call ahead, and it's clear no one had told him.
So yea he'd actually be well within his rights to sue the dishonest jerk.

SLUMLAMB wrote: »

Your getting bogged down in the non important things again the reason I showed you this is because you wanted to know how none of the pilots ever say anything my point was simply the pilots might not even know they are doing what they are actally doing.

But that's the thing, this pilot knows what he is doing: seeding clouds.
He specifically details how he does it and the process is nothing like what you believe the chemtrails look like.
He says he uses small aircraft like Cessnas, not the jet airliners you think are spraying chemtrails.
This company isn't a secret, it's not at a secret location and there isn't any security at all. None of which is consistent with your theory.
So do you actually thing that they do any cloud seeding at all or is it all chemtrails?

If your theory holds there must be pilots out there that fly jetliners about in odd patterns, very close together, have no radar footprint, no communication with any local ground control, fly in clear skies with something spraying out the back. And yet these guys would have no idea what they are doing? This is clearly (despite the filmmaker's dishonest efforts to imply otherwise) not what the pilot in the film is referring to.

And on top of this there must be thousands of these flights every day. And not one has come forward thinking his job is a little weird?

Samba · 23-01-2011 04:21PM

Hmmm, I shouldn't encourage but as I say, i do like to keep an open mind.

Interestingly The Canadian Discovery Channel ran a special on this back in '06.
They were going to take it one step further and send up a light aircraft directly into the plume of a persistent contrail.

Their experiment was axed by the Canadian Military, instead they took a sample from civilian aircraft and requested the US Military to provide a fuel sample.

The civilian craft showed up clean but no sample was forthcoming from the Military. (regardless if they had something to hide, that's not really surprising)

While interesting, that's all it remains, a thought in the back of my mind.
Until someone actually produces verified test results, it will remain a lingering thought and nothing more.

Does anyone in Ireland regularly release weather balloons?
I'm sure if you approached someone such as - http://www.flickr.com/photos/30721501@N05/sets/72157608235936214

They might allow you to piggy back some equipment on their flight.

SLUMLAMB · 23-01-2011 04:25PM

alastair wrote: »

The best of luck with that.

If you dont believe stealth technology exists outside of your typical spacecraft like stealth plane then I dont know where to start with you there are such things as stealth aircraft, submarines, ships, and evem missiles and the sole purpose of this technology is to render enemy radar, sonar, and infrared detection equiptment useless. Do your own research.
"The best of luck with that" is not a valuable addition to any debate is just a smart arse way of saying some one is wrong or what you believe is better.

SLUMLAMB · 23-01-2011 04:47PM

*melanie* wrote: »

I love how my posting of my picture this morning was ignored.

Well? Is that amount of 'contrails' normal?? I really don't think so. Keep in mind, that was only what was in the view of the camera. There was many many more surrounding too.

.

No its not normal neither is the way these trails cover the sky and are still there up to 5 hours later and its not to do with the colder weather either, if that was the case half of Russia would be covered with contrails permantly. For all you who keep going on about these flight tracker sites please go on to one yourself and find 3 or even 2 planes flying the same path within minutes of each other better still find two planes that fly about two plane widths apart over the same place and then then two more that intersect those paths in any given area and snip the screen shot and post it up.

SLUMLAMB · 23-01-2011 05:41PM

King Mob wrote: »

The planes you saw were jets operated by airlines.
Cloud seeding planes are small private planes like Cessnas.
They don't go up to clear skies they go up and fly around a cloud.
Here are some videos
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gGoPiXoavi8&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2B3iMc3TG1g

Stealth plane:
http://www.techimo.com/forum/attachments/imo-community/19170d1202530750-counting-1000-images-f117_01.jpg
You can't just magic a commerical airliner and make it invisible to radar.
And if you're making the silly claim that the pilots don't know what they are doing, wouldn't they find it odd that their plane doesn't communicate with ground control and doesn't show up on anyone's radar?

And on top of this there must be thousands of these flights every day. And not one has come forward thinking his job is a little weird?

I never said they were jet liners your completly confused about what im saying and Im not saying its commercial airlines making the trails Im pointing out that the technology is there to allow any craft go unnoticed or be invisible to radar stop taking things so literally and I never said chemtrails either.
I also said forget about the video I told you I showed you that because I thought you didnt believe weather modification was out there and I never said that that company were the ones putting any kind of trails in the sky I merely wanted to show you that it could be a company like this whos pilots believe they are doing legitimate work so drop it.

A few posts ago you tried to tell me the whole video was fake anyway now your the one informing me on the ligitimacy of the company.

Finally I dont have a theory and I did not post up here to have stupid arguments with people who try to tell me what I can and cant see in the sky I posted up here to talk to people who have seen the same thing. I dont care if its chem trails con trails or candyfloss trails I just want to know why the strange patterns, You for one done believe there is any such patterns so your are no use to me. Please dont bother writing a response to this Your right, Im wrong there are only jet liners in the sky and I only see what you have seen anything else is ludacris. Good luck

SLUMLAMB · 23-01-2011 05:54PM

King Mob wrote: »

The planes you saw were jets operated by airlines.
Cloud seeding planes are small private planes like Cessnas.
They don't go up to clear skies they go up and fly around a cloud.
Here are some videos
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gGoPiXoavi8&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2B3iMc3TG1g

THEY ARE NOT JUST FLYING ARUOND THE CLOUD AS YOU SO INNOCENTLY PUT IT THEY ARE BURNING OFF SOMETHING ( SILVER IODIDE) IN THE CANISTERS ON THE END OF EACH WING OR IS DAT JUST YOUR AVERAGE ROCKET PROPELLED LIGHT AIRCRAFT AND IN SECOND VID WHAT DO YOU SUPPOSE ALL THE PIPES ARE STICKING OUTOF THE WINGS FOR TO FRIGHTEN THE CLOUD AWAY

Samba · 23-01-2011 06:04PM

SLUMLAMB wrote: »

THEY ARE NOT JUST FLYING ARUOND THE CLOUD AS YOU SO INNOCENTLY PUT IT THEY ARE BURNING OFF SOMETHING ( SILVER IODIDE) IN THE CANISTERS ON THE END OF EACH WING OR IS DAT JUST YOUR AVERAGE ROCKET PROPELLED LIGHT AIRCRAFT AND IN SECOND VID WHAT DO YOU SUPPOSE ALL THE PIPES ARE STICKING OUTOF THE WINGS FOR TO FRIGHTEN THE CLOUD AWAY

We need a keyboard doctor stat!

Multiple trauma to key areas from what appears to be an acute case of keyboard mashing.

Relax, take a deep breath and carry on with the discussion go easy on your keyboard, you won't miss it until it's gone!

SLUMLAMB · 23-01-2011 06:16PM

King Mob wrote: »

The planes you saw were jets operated by airlines.
Cloud seeding planes are small private planes like Cessnas.
They don't go up to clear skies they go up and fly around a cloud.
Here are some videos

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2B3iMc3TG1g

Technically this video clearly shows (from 4mins,35secs) a trail of chemicals again silver iodide being ejected from a plane into the sky. A shorter term for a trail of chemicals is believe it or not a chemtrail. People have no problem believing this or calling this legitimate work by legitimate but refuse to believe it could be happening on a larger scale or with other chemicals to achieve a different result. Amazing!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

SLUMLAMB · 23-01-2011 06:31PM

Samba wrote: »

We need a keyboard doctor stat!

Multiple trauma to key areas from what appears to be an acute case of keyboard mashing.

Relax, take a deep breath and carry on with the discussion go easy on your keyboard, you won't miss it until it's gone!

sorry if bigger writing offended you or made you think im abusing my keyboard that really wasnt my intention my breathing is fine blood pressure normal the only ailment here was a mild case of caps lock on and some laziness on my part.

23-01-2011 06:51PM

SLUMLAMB wrote: »

I never said they were jet liners your completly confused about what im saying and Im not saying its commercial airlines making the trails

So then it was small propeller craft you saw making the trails then?

SLUMLAMB wrote: »

Im pointing out that the technology is there to allow any craft go unnoticed or be invisible to radar stop taking things so literally and I never said chemtrails either.

And that technology requires the plane to be radically different to normal civilian planes. It isn't a matter of just slapping on a coat of paint.
And this completely contradicts you theory about the pilots not knowing about it.

SLUMLAMB wrote: »

I also said forget about the video I told you I showed you that because I thought you didnt believe weather modification was out there and I never said that that company were the ones putting any kind of trails in the sky I merely wanted to show you that it could be a company like this whos pilots believe they are doing legitimate work so drop it.

So you posted a dishonest video that is clear misrepresenting facts to make it look like a guy is admitting to spraying chemtrails, but your point was to show that there was legitimate companies that do cloud seeding?
That doesn't make sense....

So do you believe that this company is simply was it says it is with no sinster conspiracy behind it and the filmmaker is just a dishonest idiot trying to support his agenda?

SLUMLAMB wrote: »

A few posts ago you tried to tell me the whole video was fake anyway now your the one informing me on the ligitimacy of the company.

I never said that, implied it or even hinted this.

SLUMLAMB wrote: »

Finally I dont have a theory and I did not post up here to have stupid arguments with people who try to tell me what I can and cant see in the sky I posted up here to talk to people who have seen the same thing. I dont care if its chem trails con trails or candyfloss trails I just want to know why the strange patterns, You for one done believe there is any such patterns so your are no use to me. Please dont bother writing a response to this Your right, Im wrong there are only jet liners in the sky and I only see what you have seen anything else is ludacris. Good luck

Yup that's how you get to the truth of matters, throwing hissy fits when people don't agree with you.

And again you're doing what you've accused me of doing to you.
I never said these patterns don't exist.

SLUMLAMB wrote: »

THEY ARE NOT JUST FLYING ARUOND THE CLOUD AS YOU SO INNOCENTLY PUT IT THEY ARE BURNING OFF SOMETHING ( SILVER IODIDE) IN THE CANISTERS ON THE END OF EACH WING OR IS DAT JUST YOUR AVERAGE ROCKET PROPELLED LIGHT AIRCRAFT AND IN SECOND VID WHAT DO YOU SUPPOSE ALL THE PIPES ARE STICKING OUTOF THE WINGS FOR TO FRIGHTEN THE CLOUD AWAY

Yes and notice the massive differences between cloud seeding and the trails you are so suspicious of.
Small propeller planes rather than jet planes.
Tight circles around a already existing cloud compared to huge patterns in a clear sky.
Trails coming from the wings rather than the tail.
The trails are thin, dark and hard to see as opposed to wide, white and very visible.

SLUMLAMB wrote: »

Technically this video clearly shows (from 4mins,35secs) a trail of chemicals again silver iodide being ejected from a plane into the sky. A shorter term for a trail of chemicals is believe it or not a chemtrail. People have no problem believing this or calling this legitimate work by legitimate but refuse to believe it could be happening on a larger scale or with other chemicals to achieve a different result. Amazing!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Again there are massive differences between cloud seeding and what you think is happening on a larger scale.
Also cloud seeding has never been a secret.

Yet to believe in chemtrails you have to make an awful lot of silly assumptions, listed in my last post.

So unless you have any evidence beyond "I don't understand something" then there is nothing to support the idea that the trails are anything other than contrails.

Brown Bomber · 23-01-2011 07:39PM

King Mob wrote: »

Also cloud seeding has never been a secret.

Yes it has. Operation Cumulus for one.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/1516880.stm

23-01-2011 07:59PM

Brown Bomber wrote: »

Yes it has.

I was referring to modern cloud seeding operations used by various governments.
But if you want to be pedantic...

I suppose we can conclude that jet engines themselves are a conspiracy as their early development was equally secretive.

Brown Bomber wrote: »

Operation Cumulus for one.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/1516880.stm

So they couldn't keep that a secret and it was only a small research project...
I wonder how they are able to the millions of people who would have to be involved quiet for all these years...

SLUMLAMB · 23-01-2011 08:06PM

King Mob wrote: »

Why exactly would they be even able to walk into the base where the chemtrails come from, let alone find it or even have an employee say out loud their evil plan?

You said he wouldnt be able to walk into the "base" and how would he be able to find it in the first place this to me sounds like you are saying the video is either a lie or fake or not real what ever way you want to put it and for the third time now I showed you the vid so you could see that its possible for things to go on without the full knowledge of the pilot and I clearly stated the pilot may or may not know what he is spraying. I never mentioned any I evil plan either, of course the employee would have to say out loud if he didnt nobody would hear him. Ive adopted your technique for debating here dwelling on the things that dont matter to avoid or skim over the important content. Im finished going around in circles with you if you want to do something constructive and prove me to be wrong go to one of the flight tracking sites and show me where two flights follow the same or similar flight paths at the same time within a minute of each other or less than ten plane lengths of each other or where a plane intersects the flight path of another over a certain spot in Ireland within minutes of each other.

I already offered this challenge to those who deny any kond of formations in the sky and so far nothing has come back.

alastair · 23-01-2011 08:11PM

SLUMLAMB wrote: »

THEY ARE NOT JUST FLYING ARUOND THE CLOUD AS YOU SO INNOCENTLY PUT IT THEY ARE BURNING OFF SOMETHING ( SILVER IODIDE) IN THE CANISTERS ON THE END OF EACH WING OR IS DAT JUST YOUR AVERAGE ROCKET PROPELLED LIGHT AIRCRAFT AND IN SECOND VID WHAT DO YOU SUPPOSE ALL THE PIPES ARE STICKING OUTOF THE WINGS FOR TO FRIGHTEN THE CLOUD AWAY

Jeez - if I can decifer the shouted stream of consciousness, it sure sounds like some crop spraying you saw - but then who can tell until you fess up to the specifics of these non-civilian, radar evading, mystery planes.

CHEMTRAILS

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