The so called FF "Heave"

SEPT 23 1989 · 19-01-2011 12:36AM #1

Does anyone else smell a rat over this whole episode?

Its all too nice and civilised for a party like Fianna Fail

I think the truth about Anglo and FF is so bad that they are willing to stage this sham event to deflect public and media attention away from the real story

maybe im wrong?

orourkeda · 19-01-2011 12:37AM

SEPT 23 1989 wrote: »

Does anyone else smell a rat over this whole episode?

Its all too nice and civilised for a party like Fianna Fail

I think the truth about Anglo and FF is so bad that they are willing to stage this sham event to deflect public and media attention away from the real story

maybe im wrong?

Who's buying it?

FreudianSlippers · 19-01-2011 12:53AM

I think it's just foreshadowing FF splitting into 2 parties.

I think the younger crowd of FFers want to distance themselves from the guys that really fúcked the place up. In fairness, it's not really fair to blame everyone in FF when some of them had no power or influence.

I'd still vote for a young FFer with good, progressive ideas and a bit of balls!

orourkeda · 19-01-2011 12:54AM

OisinT wrote: »

I think it's just foreshadowing FF splitting into 2 parties.

I think the younger crowd of FFers want to distance themselves from the guys that really fúcked the place up. In fairness, it's not really fair to blame everyone in FF when some of them had no power or influence.

I'd still vote for a young FFer with good, progressive ideas and a bit of balls!

A Fianna Fail party member with an original idea? You are joking right?

FreudianSlippers · 19-01-2011 12:55AM

orourkeda wrote: »

A Fianna Fail party member with an original idea? You are joking right?

Nope. There's no reason that young party members aren't as disgusted with the party as everyone else.

F-Stop · 19-01-2011 01:00AM

OisinT wrote: »

I'd still vote for a young FFer with good, progressive ideas and a bit of balls!

Yeah, her name's Harney, and they were the PDs, and no, we don't need a fcuking repeat of that shiitfest, thanks all the same. Please baby jesus, let FF die once and for all.

policarp · 19-01-2011 01:02AM

In the "Tug Of War" I would say Brian Cowan is always going to win.

Awful_Bliss · 19-01-2011 01:04AM

As an anti FF person I'm loving all this carry on. After this debacle they still have a **** leader and now Michael Martin has joined the rest in resigning. Loving it!

orourkeda · 19-01-2011 01:05AM

OisinT wrote: »

Nope. There's no reason that young party members aren't as disgusted with the party as everyone else.

Then why run on a FF ticket if you are disgusted with the party. Or is it simply a matter of using their resources

SEPT 23 1989 · 19-01-2011 01:05AM

OisinT wrote: »

Nope. There's no reason that young party members aren't as disgusted with the party as everyone else.

So why are they still members of that party who have caused so much destruction to the republic that they claim to want to represent?

FreudianSlippers · 19-01-2011 01:07AM

orourkeda wrote: »

Then why run on a FF ticket if you are disgusted with the party. Or is it simply a matter of using their resources

SEPT 23 1989 wrote: »

So why are they still members of that party who have caused so much destruction to the republic that they claim to want to represent?

I don't think they will be for long. The thing about FF is that they still have money (well access to money) and money is necessary to win campaigns.

orourkeda · 19-01-2011 01:08AM

F-Stop wrote: »

Yeah, her name's Harney, and they were the PDs, and no, we don't need a fcuking repeat of that shiitfest, thanks all the same. Please baby jesus, let FF die once and for all.

They are going to get skullf*cked at this election. Even at this talk of their demise may be somewhat premature. What happens at the election after that may provide a clearer picture as to what position they are really in.

orourkeda · 19-01-2011 01:09AM

OisinT wrote: »

I don't think they will be for long. The thing about FF is that they still have money (well access to money) and money is necessary to win campaigns.

But isn't it the ultimate hypocrisy to use a partys money to diss them. They are either FF or they are not.

ninebeanrows · 19-01-2011 01:33AM

I think it is a good publicity stunt, what have we hear and seen on the news for the last 5 days?

Fianna Fail propoganda and BS as if people actually care who their leader is. They just don't get it, they are still living in cloud cuckoo land.

And drilling it into the brains of the Irish populous that FF is important, all the aspects of the party set up are important to the Irish people blah blah blah, only adds the the notion of Fianna Fail as, 'The Party'.

And that is how it is in Ireland.

Don't let the polls fool you, fianna fail are still kicking out there, your friends may not have the gonads to tell you they will vote for them in the election, but look out for the quiet ones, there the ones who will secretly vote FF.

When it comes to it, old family party alignments rule.

I guarantee FF will get above 25% of the vote in the next GE.

We must not be foolish and think that FF are a thing of the past.

They are a scourge that will be so very hard to kill off.

FreudianSlippers · 21-01-2011 04:10PM

OisinT wrote: »

I think it's just foreshadowing FF splitting into 2 parties.

I think the younger crowd of FFers want to distance themselves from the guys that really fúcked the place up. In fairness, it's not really fair to blame everyone in FF when some of them had no power or influence.

I'd still vote for a young FFer with good, progressive ideas and a bit of balls!

The Herald is reporting that FF is breaking up into 2 parties. Called it :P

Capt'n Midnight · 22-01-2011 04:09AM

OisinT wrote: »

I think it's just foreshadowing FF splitting into 2 parties.

I think the younger crowd of FFers want to distance themselves from the guys that really fúcked the place up. In fairness, it's not really fair to blame everyone in FF when some of them had no power or influence.

I'd still vote for a young FFer with good, progressive ideas and a bit of balls!

Oh jebus - that's what the PD's were "High standards in high places" and look at their legacy, bike lanes that cars can use anytime, health system and justice system, free market and all that.

In the past people left FF and joined up again. Sometimes they were labelled as "independant FF" but provided you got re-elected you were always welcome back into the fold. ( this means that being expelled from the party has NO meaning)

fontanalis · 22-01-2011 04:40AM

OisinT wrote: »

Nope. There's no reason that young party members aren't as disgusted with the party as everyone else.

The older crowds antics (which the younger crowd didn't try to stop) will keep the younger crowd (gombeen to the core) out of power.
They're all a disease.

Capt'n Midnight · 22-01-2011 01:55PM

fontanalis wrote: »

The older crowds antics (which the younger crowd didn't try to stop) will keep the younger crowd (gombeen to the core) out of power.
They're all a disease.

Haughey survived the arms trial back in 1970. There have been lots of younger crowds since then and its just been business as usual.

To even suggest that a splinter group of FF could sort out the party is to ignore history and the rumours and the nepotisim and political apointees and consistent subsidisng of construction industry and developers - look at leaving Section 23 (investment properties / second homes) while reducing social welfare. Look at the recent tax changes where a self employed person on over €200 was actually paying less tax afterwards !!

Back in 1980 Haughey said "tighten our belts as we as a nation are living beyond our means" while still living the high life. The current crop could have said that back in 2008 and imposed the cuts back them, but instead it was business as usual, don't rock the boat and sure 'n all the EU will rescue us.

I can only conclude that they are worse than ever, I just hope that like Haughey they live to see their reputations in tatters, because we all know that none of those responsible will go to prison or suffer financially.

ejmaztec · 22-01-2011 02:06PM

OisinT wrote: »

Nope. There's no reason that young party members aren't as disgusted with the party as everyone else.

What's your definition of "young", and does this tool fall into the category?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dara_Calleary

HarryPotter41 · 22-01-2011 02:10PM

ejmaztec wrote: »

What's your definition of "young", and does this tool fall into the category?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dara_Calleary

And you define him as a tool based on what?

Monty Burnz · 22-01-2011 02:13PM

orourkeda wrote: »

Who's buying it?

You don't hear anyone talking about the incredibly suspicious Cowen meetings and golf with Anglo bosses anymore, do you?

How much has the decision that Anglo was 'systemic' cost the state by now? I won't be surprised to see it reach €100,000,000,000 (a hundred billion).

bonerm · 22-01-2011 02:13PM

OisinT wrote: »

I'd still vote for a young FFer with good, progressive ideas and a bit of balls!

And so it begins .... again.

fontanalis · 22-01-2011 02:14PM

bonerm wrote: »

And so it begins .... again.

The Fail gets Failer.

pajor · 22-01-2011 02:17PM

HarryPotter41 wrote: »

And you define him as a tool based on what?

Because he seems to have been elected on the very Irish principal that his Da was a TD so he can be as well.

It's something we need to get rid of in this country

Monty Burnz · 22-01-2011 02:18PM

OisinT wrote: »

I'd still vote for a young FFer with good, progressive ideas and a bit of balls!

Why would you? Presumably becasue your parents voted FF, and their parents, since time immemorial?

That's not a good enough reason to vote for the corrupt gombeens who are only interested in lining their own pockets and those of the other Fianna Failures. They bankrupted the country ffs!!

fontanalis · 22-01-2011 02:19PM

Monty Burnz wrote: »

Why would you? Presumably becasue your parents voted FF, and their parents, since time immemorial?

That's not a good enough reason to vote for the corrupt gombeens who are only interested in lining their own pockets and those of the other Fianna Failures. They bankrupted the country ffs!!

Short of genocide it doesn't get worse than this, and there are still people out there willing to vote for them?????

HarryPotter41 · 22-01-2011 02:21PM

pajor wrote: »

Because he seems to have been elected on the very Irish principal that his Da was a TD so he can be as well.

It's something we need to get rid of in this country

An assumption based totally on your view, not the reality of the situation. He got elected by virtue of a hard slog, has worked very hard since and has particularly worked hard ffor those with greatest needs in his area.

Capt'n Midnight · 22-01-2011 02:29PM

OisinT wrote: »

I'd still vote for a young FFer with good, progressive ideas and a bit of balls!

Why ?

When have FFers with good progressive ideas been able to influence party policy ??

How many of them have blown the whistle on corruption or have they always toed the party line.

How many of them have said anything recently about the country instead of about the future of the party ?

You can suggest anything you want when you know it will never be implemented.

I remind you of the old Myles na gCopleen phrase of people not doing something "before it was popular or profitable"

Monty Burnz · 22-01-2011 02:33PM

HarryPotter41 wrote: »

An assumption based totally on your view, not the reality of the situation. He got elected by virtue of a hard slog, has worked very hard since and has particularly worked hard ffor those with greatest needs in his area.

It's astonishing who many people in the Dail inherited their seats from the fathers or had parents who were TDs. Cowen, Coughlan and Brian (and Conor) Lenihan just for starters - the three top politicians in the country - the Taoiseach, the Tainaiste and the Minister for Finance.

Anyone know how many are in the Dail in total?

It's not healthy - politics should not be a family business. The voters are at least as much at fault.

Capt'n Midnight · 22-01-2011 02:34PM

OisinT wrote: »

I don't think they will be for long. The thing about FF is that they still have money (well access to money) and money is necessary to win campaigns.

The problem is that this money will cost a lot more than the 5% or 6% we are getting for the bail out

Galway tent money ??

they are incompetant , any third world dicatator would have billions stashed in an off shore account by now.

smellslikeshoes · 22-01-2011 02:38PM

OisinT wrote: »

I'd still vote for a young FFer with good, progressive ideas and a bit of balls!

I'm actually with you on this, the main problem is though none of the current young Fianna Fail actually had the balls to stand up and say hey wait a minute I don't agree with this crap. If any of them actually had a bit of balls they would have made their opposition to what the leaders of the party were doing known regardless of the consequences to their position in the party.

The so called FF "Heave"

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