Cigarette Advertising

fonecrusher1 · 21-01-2011 01:54AM

Smoking is cool. So is spitting.

Geansai Rua · 21-01-2011 01:54AM

shouldnt have been banned...
If people are stupid enough to let the ads make them take up such a filthy habit, let them at it.

sure why dont they ban alcohol, razor ads and anything else that people can hurt themselves with if thats the case..

hal9000 · 21-01-2011 10:55AM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=smmhuhpE7Ag

ARE YOU SMOKING YET!

orourkeda · 21-01-2011 11:03AM

danh789 wrote: »

Do you agree with the ban on cigarette advertising? I just got thinking about this last week while watching the snooker. Remember the days of the Benson and Hedges sponsored Irish Masters?

Or more so in Formula 1. I grew up loving the beauty of cars such as the Rothman sponsored Williams Renault and the Benson and Hedges Jordan's. In fact its fair to say the ban finished off many teams. With the money from tobacco companies there is a good chance Jordan might still be on the F1 grid.

Thats my point. I grew up with with all this cigarette advertising. Loved it, the branding, the colour etc. But I have never once smoked a cigarette in all my life.

So what is everyone else's opinion on the ban of cigarette advertising?

The beauty of the car wasnlt created by a cigrette.

The snooker tournament would probably have attracted the same players playing to the same standard with another sponsor

orourkeda · 21-01-2011 11:05AM

Geansai Rua wrote: »

shouldnt have been banned...
If people are stupid enough to let the ads make them take up such a filthy habit, let them at it.

sure why dont they ban alcohol, razor ads and anything else that people can hurt themselves with if thats the case..

400 odd people a year die on the roads in Ireland with countless injuries. I don't see car ads getting banned.

PAULWATSON · 21-01-2011 11:07AM

I'm too dumb to think for myself. If they advertised the tobacca I'd be off like a train.

SOME CHANCE. Welcome to the nanny state.

giant_midget · 21-01-2011 11:17AM

Marlboro still sponsor the Ferrari F1 team, The barcode that you see on the rear wing is the marlboro logo & also on alonso and massa's race suits..

I do miss the old embassy world championship snooker, their logo fitted well...

Fratton Fred · 21-01-2011 11:26AM

bm365 wrote: »

The Black and Gold returns!

http://www.ineedthat.co.za/capetown/wp-content/uploads/2011/01/renault_r30_2011_lotus_livery-11.jpg

Pity about the red on the front and rear wings

I've driven that car. Well not that exact one, but a JPS lotus F1 car.

Well, when I say driven, I mean that was my Scalextric car when I was a kid and I wouldn't use anything else.

Didn't turn me into a smoker though. Marlboro did that.

21-01-2011 11:34AM

Alcohol advertisements should also be banned.

PAULWATSON · 21-01-2011 11:35AM

Deleted User wrote: »

Alcohol advertisements should also be banned.

Not just that, BAN EVERYTHING.

Duggy747 · 21-01-2011 11:39AM

Heh, I remember seeing fag ads on papers and magazines. They always consist of the words "fresh", "crisp", "full flavour", "taste" and usually show a bunch of people sitting around laughing with each of them smoking. Looked like they were having such good fun.

I used to think with the amount of them smoking in such confined spaces they probably stunk the place out :pac:

KungPao · 21-01-2011 12:33PM

Duggy747 wrote: »

Heh, I remember seeing fag ads on papers and magazines. They always consist of the words "fresh", "crisp", "full flavour", "taste" and usually show a bunch of people sitting around laughing with each of them smoking. Looked like they were having such good fun.

I used to think with the amount of them smoking in such confined spaces they probably stunk the place out :pac:

Mid-late nineties Playboy was great for cig ads. Kool cigarettes, with these well-off, good looking people being cool because they smoke Kool cigerettes.

I wish I was kool.

smokedeels · 21-01-2011 01:25PM

Top athletes recommend it

Even the modern day footballer enjoys a good smokable

Irish Guitarist · 21-01-2011 01:39PM

I saw a Chuck Berry concert on Sky Arts recently which was sponsored by Avo cigars. I looked at the homepage and it seems they sponsor a lot of concerts.

Here's a list of the bands and musicians that have played concerts for them http://www.avo.ch/en/programm/artist_history

I don't know why this type of advertising is allowed when cigarette advertising isn't.

On topic I don't think it matters if smoking is advertised. I see the same amount of young people taking up smoking now as when I went to school.

Actually not advertising smoking might somehow make it seem cooler to kids as it might be seen as more taboo and something they're not supposed to be doing. The only way to stop cigarettes would be to ban them.

jimthemental · 21-01-2011 01:56PM

Great thread idea OP. I think you're right, it gave a certain extra exclusivity to F1 and snooker for me as a kid, I knew I'd never have the kind of money these boys had and also knew that I couldn't smoke either at that age. I think it made everything seem cooler and more grown up. The logos, colour schemes and the event choices themselves were very well done too. I'd say Guinness are one of the only ones in that league anymore and even they have faltered in recent years, especially with that dot ad.

amacachi · 21-01-2011 02:52PM

Crasp wrote: »

ferrari still sponsored by marlboro though.

Pretty sure they're not any more.
I still remember all the F1 teams from back in the day by the cigarette sponsor, Benetton were Mild 7, Ligier were Gauloises, Jordan were B+H, McLaren were Marlboro, Williams were Rothmans. At the time I didn't even know some of them were cigarette brands, ah the innocence of youth.

Crasp · 21-01-2011 03:00PM

amacachi wrote: »

Pretty sure they're not any more.
I still remember all the F1 teams from back in the day by the cigarette sponsor, Benetton were Mild 7, Ligier were Gauloises, Jordan were B+H, McLaren were Marlboro, Williams were Rothmans. At the time I didn't even know some of them were cigarette brands, ah the innocence of youth.

I just checked - they are: http://www.ferrari.com/English/Formula1/Partners/Sponsors/Philip_Morris_International/Pages/PMI.aspx

as said already all the blanks patches or "bar codes" on the overalls/cars (wings, engine covers etc) are where the marlboro logo goes at grands prix in countries where tobacco advertising is permitted.

CrazyRabbit · 21-01-2011 05:37PM

Without all the advertising, my father may not have started smoking.
And he may not have gotten cancer from it.
And he may not have died from that cancer, leaving 4 young kids behind and a grieving widow.

So **** the F1 racing industry. I'm glad of the severe restrictions on cigarette advertising. The sooner we get rid of this scourge the better.

Jagle · 21-01-2011 05:41PM

CrazyRabbit wrote: »

Without all the advertising, my father may not have started smoking.
And he may not have gotten cancer from it.
And he may not have died from that cancer, leaving 4 young kids behind and a grieving widow.

So **** the F1 racing industry. I'm glad of the severe restrictions on cigarette advertising. The sooner we get rid of this scourge the better.

very sorry for your loss, thank god your dad didnt see a advert for drink, and drank himself into alcoholism, and beat your mother and died of liver failure leaving behind 4 young kids and a black and blue wife.

worse still, an add for nike shoes, adn he spent all the money to feed ye on trainers he didnt need.

see what im getting at here? dont think it was the adverts fault but your dads really

smokedeels · 21-01-2011 06:07PM

CrazyRabbit wrote: »

Without all the advertising, my father may not have started smoking.
And he may not have gotten cancer from it.
And he may not have died from that cancer, leaving 4 young kids behind and a grieving widow.

So **** the F1 racing industry. I'm glad of the severe restrictions on cigarette advertising. The sooner we get rid of this scourge the better.

Sorry your father died, but it doesn't give you the right to police other peoples lives or get away with suggesting it.

I like smoking and I accept the health risks, that's my business not yours, irrespective of how smoking affected you or your family.

CrazyRabbit wrote: »

**** the F1 racing industry.

I agree with this, on the basis that it's a cr@p sport.

elgriff · 21-01-2011 06:12PM

juma · 21-01-2011 06:32PM

As already said Marboro use the barcodes as a form of advertising. However as far as I know Marboro have exclusive sponsorship rights with the Ferrari. It is them who are selling the advertising space on the Ferrari cars to other companies such as Shell, Santander etc.

CrazyRabbit · 21-01-2011 08:02PM

Jagle wrote: »

very sorry for your loss, thank god your dad didnt see a advert for drink, and drank himself into alcoholism, and beat your mother and died of liver failure leaving behind 4 young kids and a black and blue wife.

worse still, an add for nike shoes, adn he spent all the money to feed ye on trainers he didnt need.

see what im getting at here? dont think it was the adverts fault but your dads really

In my fathers day, smoking was very heavily advertised as the cool thing to do. It's true that the choice was my dads, but he started smoking when he was 12...a child. And I've no doubt that the advertising contributed significantly to his decision to smoke as children are easily influenced by advertising.

smokedeels wrote: »

Sorry your father died, but it doesn't give you the right to police other peoples lives or get away with suggesting it.

I like smoking and I accept the health risks, that's my business not yours, irrespective of how smoking affected you or your family..

You can choose to drink bleach if you want to. It's your choice to be as dumb as you wish. I just don't want it being advertised as something positive. No matter who the ads are targeted at, kids will see them, and will be influenced.

In the future, I'd like to see smoking being perceived by the vast majority of people as disgusting & stupid. Preventing positive ads for smoking will contribute to this. Since less people smoking will reduce passive smoke inhalation, littering, & hospital waiting lists, this will benefit me, my children, grandchildren etc. So I have every right to my opinion.

BTW, would either of you be ok with Heroin being advertised in the media?

RichieC · 21-01-2011 08:07PM

Interesting to note the first real experiment in "PR" was to convince women to smoke cigarettes, prior to that it was a faux pas for women to be seen smoking, Edward Bernays branded it "torches of freedom" linking it to womens liberation.

it was a resounding success if you consider more women now smoke than men.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Torches_of_Freedom

Jagle · 21-01-2011 08:11PM

CrazyRabbit wrote: »

In my fathers day, smoking was very heavily advertised as the cool thing to do. It's true that the choice was my dads, but he started smoking when he was 12...a child. And I've no doubt that the advertising contributed significantly to his decision to smoke as children are easily influenced by advertising.

You can choose to drink bleach if you want to. It's your choice to be as dumb as you wish. I just don't want it being advertised as something positive. No matter who the ads are targeted at, kids will see them, and will be influenced.

In the future, I'd like to see smoking being perceived by the vast majority of people as disgusting & stupid. Preventing positive ads for smoking will contribute to this. Since less people smoking will reduce passive smoke inhalation, littering, & hospital waiting lists, this will benefit me, my children, grandchildren etc. So I have every right to my opinion.

BTW, would either of you be ok with Heroin being advertised in the media?

while i agree your father may not of known the ciscumstances of what he was doing, my father began smoking at aged 7, quit now i still think it was your fathers fault. i understand your points but in all reality do those car adds make you slow down? no

and no im against the idea of herion being advertised, tho cannabis and ecstasy im all for advertising, to be takin in a safe way, if that helps

smokedeels · 21-01-2011 08:32PM

CrazyRabbit wrote: »

In my fathers day, smoking was very heavily advertised as the cool thing to do. It's true that the choice was my dads, but he started smoking when he was 12...a child. And I've no doubt that the advertising contributed significantly to his decision to smoke as children are easily influenced by advertising.

You can choose to drink bleach if you want to. It's your choice to be as dumb as you wish. I just don't want it being advertised as something positive. No matter who the ads are targeted at, kids will see them, and will be influenced.

In the future, I'd like to see smoking being perceived by the vast majority of people as disgusting & stupid. Preventing positive ads for smoking will contribute to this. Since less people smoking will reduce passive smoke inhalation, littering, & hospital waiting lists, this will benefit me, my children, grandchildren etc. So I have every right to my opinion.

BTW, would either of you be ok with Heroin being advertised in the media?

You equated smoking cigarettes with drinking bleach and taking heroin, so I'll leave the discussion at that, I have a feeling it will be fruitless.

nlgbbbblth · 21-01-2011 09:16PM

Cigarette advertising was slowly eroded throughout the 1980s and 1990s. This is wholly unfair on the cigarette companies.

In an ideal world we should go back to the 1960s / 1970s methods of advertising - television, full page descriptive adverts in magazines etc.

So yes - bring back cigarette advertising. But not in a token way.

RichieC · 21-01-2011 09:23PM

nlgbbbblth wrote: »

Cigarette advertising was slowly eroded throughout the 1980s and 1990s. This is wholly unfair on the cigarette companies.

In an ideal world we should go back to the 1960s / 1970s methods of advertising - television, full page descriptive adverts in magazines etc.

So yes - bring back cigarette advertising. But not in a token way.

http://www.smoke-free.ca/factsheets/pdf/earningspercig-04.pdf

it hasn't effected their profits or growth.

so what difference does it make.

Jagle · 21-01-2011 09:25PM

RichieC wrote: »

http://www.smoke-free.ca/factsheets/pdf/earningspercig-04.pdf

it hasn't effected their profits or growth.

so what difference does it make.

was just about to get something like this together,

laws enforcing cigarette advertsiing vrs. cigarette company profit

strokemyclover · 21-01-2011 09:39PM

Who cares really. It only means the sporting event/team you follow will be known by a different name or colour. No biggie!

So the sports men and women involved won't be paid the mega bucks they used to when cigarette advertising was involved, that's a good thing in my opinion. Seeing some over-hyped pr1ck in a car or a snooker hall dressed in the colours of a product I know is killing me is kind of insulting really!

I still love smoking btw! I just want to be sponsored for doing so!

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