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Horrific treatment of prisoners.

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  • #62
    Einhard
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,919 ✭✭✭Einhard


    MUSSOLINI wrote: »

    Why would they lie? There are dozens of first hand accounts of abuse.

    Why would a convicted criminal make false allegations against the state that he hates, and the screws who enforce the will of that state by keeping him under lock and key?! Seriously, nobody is that naive...
    stovelid wrote: »
    Despise terrorists of all hues (and I never agreed with them having any type of political status in prison) but obviously I vehemently oppose the torture or deliberate mistreatment of same: then and now.

    I agree there, but all we have are unsubstantiated allegations on the prisoners part. Yet Mussolini seems to think that anything that passes from the mouths of unreconstructed terrorists should be treated as gospel.


  • #63
    Wolfe Tone
    Closed Accounts Posts: 14,670 ✭✭✭✭Wolfe Tone


    Einhard wrote: »
    Why would a convicted criminal make false allegations against the state that he hates, and the screws who enforce the will of that state by keeping him under lock and key?! Seriously, nobody is that naive...
    So should such concerns be ignored?

    I agree there, but all we have are unsubstantiated allegations on the prisoners part. Yet Mussolini seems to think that anything that passes from the mouths of unreconstructed terrorists should be treated as gospel.


    Well, if you look at the track record of how republicans have been treated in prisons in the north and the first hand accounts there is a lot of evidence that suggests they are telling the truth. It at least merits closer investigation. Personally I believe them. Why would they lie in letters sent to their families and friends?

    I am currently trying to find info on how loyalists are treated. Although I am having trouble finding a loyalist site to look at.


  • #64
    martic
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 515 ✭✭✭martic


    MUSSOLINI wrote: »
    I am currently trying to find info on how loyalists are treated. Although I am having trouble finding a loyalist site to look at.

    Here's a link you might find a few hardened loyalists in

    http://www.givemyheadpeace.co.uk/?gclid=CKenmeeTxaYCFUZP4QodFn9tgg


  • #65
    Bottle_of_Smoke
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,769 ✭✭✭Bottle_of_Smoke


    InTheTrees wrote: »
    I give money to Amnesty International.

    Thats an organisation I respect and trust. Whats their take on the issue?

    Ignorance. They're self serving scum. Its easy to talk about prisoners far away but go to amnesty.ie or amnesty.org.uk not a f*cking word is said about this. Cancel your direct debit mate.

    Yeah I disagree with the methods militant republicans use but the way they're being treated in prison is sick. We have no right to condemn guantanamo when this sh*t is going on in our backyard.


  • #66
    scientific1982
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,562 ✭✭✭scientific1982


    MUSSOLINI wrote: »
    I dont report to anyone. I am my own man. I just thought it was shocking, I had assumed that republican prisoners today where treated the same as every other prisoner.

    I am a republican, but I support the GFA.
    Most people on these boards dont have a clue what their brethren went through in the north.


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  • #67
    Cook my sock
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 597 ✭✭✭Cook my sock


    its disgraceful joe...
    Nah but seriously thats not on. can the eu not intervene? or are they still useless with everything bar lending money?


  • #68
    southsiderosie
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,560 ✭✭✭southsiderosie


    MUSSOLINI wrote: »
    There are murderers in the prison who arent republican and they are not treated as bad. You could apply your logic to any prisoner tbh to palm off mistreatment allegations.
    MUSSOLINI wrote: »
    Ah but Terry the "normal" murderers are not being treated the same way.

    Do you have any data to support this? Because from everything I have read, prison conditions across the UK today are dire. Overcrowding is an issue in England and Wales, allegations of brutality exist outside of the North, and prison guards have shown themselves to be rather callous and incompetent when it comes to the non-Republican Maghaberry inmates as well.


  • #69
    aDeener
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,487 ✭✭✭aDeener


    smk89 wrote: »
    There are no republican prisoners today.
    The people you are referring to bomb civilian areas to try to get a united Ireland despite the fact that less than 40% of nationalists want one!
    They stopped being republicans when we got a government, now they are just terrorists who don't even represent any minority.

    well then they aren't nationalists


  • #70
    FlutterinBantam
    Closed Accounts Posts: 14,575 ✭✭✭✭FlutterinBantam


    MUSSOLINI wrote: »
    I dont report to anyone. I am my own man. I just thought it was shocking, I had assumed that republican prisoners today where treated the same as every other prisoner.

    I am a republican, but I support the GFA.

    Well I didn't think it was shocking.


    People who continually beat the drum for terrorists are ten a penny.

    Talk to the security forces, the innocent women and children,blown up without warning by these thugs.

    What do you want, five star hotels?:rolleyes:


  • #71
    FUNKY LOVER
    Closed Accounts Posts: 905 ✭✭✭FUNKY LOVER


    here is a link i found.
    http://www.morningstaronline.co.uk/index.php/news/content/view/full/4322


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  • #72
    Locust
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 319 ✭✭Locust


    MUSSOLINI wrote: »
    Why would they lie? There are dozens of first hand accounts of abuse.

    To gain support for 'the cause' - Same as that indymedia tripe, because the 'media' / propaganda is the most powerful weapon they have. They make themselves out to be so badly persecuted to gain support.
    I sure the odd lad gets a kickin here or there or is denied his exercise for a day or somethin, but its not the way you make it out in the original post.

    Some of those eejits have had the best times of thier lives on the inside. I have heard that some of the biggest and best xmas parties have been inside the prisons!


  • #73
    FUNKY LOVER
    Closed Accounts Posts: 905 ✭✭✭FUNKY LOVER


    i still cant get over that some people here dont believe a story without a link or it been reported on SKY NEWS:rolleyes:

    its the usual bury their head in the sand carry on.


  • #74
    enda1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,165 ✭✭✭enda1


    If its happening, it shouldn't be. If its happening it should be investigated and the officers responsible for the actions be charged and the service apologise and put into place processes so that it can not happen again.

    But until there's some sort of official investigation and finding, its all just hearsay and bordering on libel, so there's not much point in debating it really.


  • #75
    thirtythirty
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,178 ✭✭✭thirtythirty


    MUSSOLINI wrote: »


    Their treatment is simply horrific, even when compared to that of your "ordinary" criminal, eg a thief etc.

    An 85 year old woman in my apartment block just back after a slow and painful 5 months recovery of a broken hip, returned to her apartment and went out to lunch, only to come back to find her apartment door smashed in and prized jewellery taken. Did I mention it was her birthday?

    That "ordinary thief" can go f*ck themselves. They deserve everything they get, and I would hope they are subjected to modern day torture, rather than lying comfortably in their cell just counting down the days till they can go out and do it again.


  • #76
    Jesus Wept
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,243 ✭✭✭✭Jesus Wept


    The conditions in Prisons here are a disgrace.


  • #77
    southsiderosie
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,560 ✭✭✭southsiderosie


    FUNKY LOVER wrote: »
    here is a link i found.
    http://www.morningstaronline.co.uk/index.php/news/content/view/full/4322
    FUNKY LOVER wrote: »
    i still cant get over that some people here dont believe a story without a link or it been reported on SKY NEWS:rolleyes:

    its the usual bury their head in the sand carry on.

    No, it's the usual navel-gazing "Oh my God, LOOK what they are doing to REPUBLICANS!!!!!" thread...which is particularly egregious in this case as it is obvious based on the articles that you and others have posted that there are serious systemic problems in UK prisons that affect ALL prisoners, regardless of political affiliation.


  • #78
    CrazyRabbit
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,659 ✭✭✭CrazyRabbit


    "Beatings, torture, excessive and unnecessary invasive searches, intimidation, psychological torture, the works."

    Hmm...if the prisoner is a mass murderer or paedophile, is it ok then?
    Whenever I see a news story about either, it usually comes with user comments advocating these & a lot more.

    So, the public would seem to be all in favour of human rights abuses when the human in question is a murderer or child abuser.

    It's amazing how good people can be at justifying unjustifiable actions.


  • #79
    Coriolanus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,879 ✭✭✭Coriolanus


    CrazyRabbit wrote: »
    "Beatings, torture, excessive and unnecessary invasive searches, intimidation, psychological torture, the works."

    Hmm...if the prisoner is a mass murderer or paedophile, is it ok then?
    Whenever I see a news story about either, it usually comes with user comments advocating these & a lot more.

    So, the public would seem to be all in favour of human rights abuses when the human in question is a murderer or child abuser.

    It's amazing how good people can be at justifying unjustifiable actions.

    For me, it just shows how unnatural the judeao-christian morality that we're all supposed to subscribe to is. People don't want to turn the other cheek, they don't want a dignified proportional punishment. They want bloody, feral vengeance on those who transgress against them.


  • #80
    Samba
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,476 ✭✭✭Samba


    Overheal wrote: »
    Poltics, tbh. Not AH
    The Waltzing Consumer wrote: »
    No links
    No references
    No sources
    No quotes or reports from reputable charities and NGOs who in the past were vocal about prisons in Northern Ireland

    OP, you are talking about a small group of scumbags who ignore 99.99999999999999999% of the people on this island and continue pretending to be political and have a worthy cause. F**k them and their lies
    FUNKY LOVER wrote: »
    i still cant get over that some people here dont believe a story without a link or it been reported on SKY NEWS:rolleyes:

    its the usual bury their head in the sand carry on.

    No no no, this is why we have The Conspiracy Theory Forum


  • #81
    aDeener
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,487 ✭✭✭aDeener


    The-Rigger wrote: »
    The conditions in Prisons here are a disgrace.

    i agree, they are far too nice


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  • #82
    jackiebaron
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,038 ✭✭✭jackiebaron


    FlutterinBantam wrote: »
    Well I didn't think it was shocking.


    People who continually beat the drum for terrorists are ten a penny.

    Talk to the security forces, the innocent women and children,blown up without warning by these thugs.

    What do you want, five star hotels?:rolleyes:

    Eh, no!

    Just that they be treated within the parameters of the law.


  • #83
    jackiebaron
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,038 ✭✭✭jackiebaron


    spottyelephant wrote: »
    An 85 year old woman in my apartment block just back after a slow and painful 5 months recovery of a broken hip, returned to her apartment and went out to lunch, only to come back to find her apartment door smashed in and prized jewellery taken. Did I mention it was her birthday?

    That "ordinary thief" can go f*ck themselves. They deserve everything they get, and I would hope they are subjected to modern day torture, rather than lying comfortably in their cell just counting down the days till they can go out and do it again.


    So what specific methods of torture do you think should be employed against prisoners and how often? Also which prisoners should be tortured more intensely and brutally than others?
    Also if a prisoner agrees to be subjected to more savage bouts of torture than was originally sanctioned in his sentence, does he get his tariff reduced? For example if a thief is jailed for 12 months with moderate torture included in the punishment can he plea bargain to be subjected to more intense torture over the course of say six months thus reducing his sentence?


  • #84
    gonedrinking
    Closed Accounts Posts: 810 ✭✭✭gonedrinking


    141_Oscar_Mike wrote: »
    They're criminals. Scum of the nation. Whats the problem?

    we're wasting money keeping them alive


  • #85
    Iwasfrozen
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,250 ✭✭✭✭Iwasfrozen


    141_Oscar_Mike wrote: »
    They're criminals. Scum of the nation. Whats the problem?
    Don't be retarded, they're people.
    gonedrinking wrote:
    we're wasting money keeping them alive
    Same to you.


  • #86
    Nodin
    Closed Accounts Posts: 46,938 ✭✭✭✭Nodin


    spottyelephant wrote: »
    That "ordinary thief" can go f*ck themselves. They deserve everything they get, and I would hope they are subjected to modern day torture, rather than lying comfortably in their cell just counting down the days till they can go out and do it again.

    In the old days they were treated to olden day torture, and they went out and did it again.

    Now you think in modern days if they were treated with modern day torture it would make a difference?


  • #87
    gonedrinking
    Closed Accounts Posts: 810 ✭✭✭gonedrinking


    Iwasfrozen wrote: »


    Same to you.

    I'm not a burden to society. In fact I create jobs for people like you.


  • #88
    delta_bravo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,571 ✭✭✭delta_bravo


    The-Rigger wrote: »
    The conditions in Prisons here are a disgrace.

    Well it's best not to commit a crime and end up in one then.


  • #89
    Nodin
    Closed Accounts Posts: 46,938 ✭✭✭✭Nodin


    The number of people with superpowers who use boards is amazing...
    gonedrinking wrote: »
    I'm not a burden to society. In fact I create jobs for people like you.

    Who are people like him?

    Who am I?

    What am I wearing?

    Do I look sexy in it?

    Any chance of the lotto numbers for tonight?


  • #90
    Unique User Name
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 324 ✭✭Unique User Name


    I think this thread is a bit rich considering it was started by one of the founders of facism. People in glass houses Mussolini.....


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  • #91
    Nodin
    Closed Accounts Posts: 46,938 ✭✭✭✭Nodin


    Unique User Name wrote: »
    I think this thread is a bit rich considering it was started by one of the founders of facism. People in glass houses Mussolini.....

    He's never been the same since the time they hung him upside down....


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