The state of street safety.

Remmy · 15-01-2011 02:58AM

Farland wrote: »

if gardai arent already armed with tazers and mace they should be and should be allowed to use them... They have batons I think? But if they whipped one of them out they'd be handing over their badge in the morning.

Im sure I read a story a few years ago where three scumbags teamed up on a guy. Turned out the guy was a blackbelt and broke one guys arm, kicked one of the other guys knees out and dont know what happened to the third.

But that guy was later taken to court by the scumbags.

Im no expert but I think specialized sections in the gardai have have air tazers and mace.I think most gardai on the beat have a collabsible baton of some sort.

TanG411 · 15-01-2011 02:59AM

DB10 needs to join a rolleyes rehabilitation program.

Farland · 15-01-2011 03:01AM

Theres really nothing that can be done then? Just hope you arent hopped on by a gang of under 18's. Which is about 80% percent of the time in Dublin I'd say.

policarp · 15-01-2011 03:02AM

humberklog wrote: »

Eh...no...it is the kids.

If it's the kids where do they get it from?

Einhard · 15-01-2011 03:02AM

DB10 wrote: »

The police in that film were alot better at sorting out the scum than our idiotic police force, basically a bunch of college graduates scared of their own ****.

And yes I would prefer Denzel Washington dealing with the situation, then Fat Barry taking the squad car down the pub...

Nothing idiotic about it....take a look at yourself...:rolleyes:

Wow you love that little rolly eyes guy!

Have you seen Training Day? The whole point of the film is the destruction that the corruption and violent behaviour of Washington's character wreaks, and how his actions make him little better than the scumbags he purports to act against. And you want to use it as a Dummy's Guide to Policing!

DB10 · 15-01-2011 03:02AM

Rosicky7 wrote: »

DB10 needs to join a rolleyes rehabilitation program.

shame you based your username on such a **** player

bergkamp> ro****ty

smart man

Remmy · 15-01-2011 03:03AM

DB10 wrote: »

I've been asking that question for a while yet nobody will answer...:rolleyes:

I know a few people with one, they are a very handy self protector, and small when the fold up.

Surely some of the law/gardai know it alls that cover this place know the answer....

Those collabsible batons arent that hard to get but I wouldnt want to be caught carry one around and definitly not using one.I'd say it would come under a concealed weapon.It really has no other purpose than to strike people with.You couldn't really say you use it to whisk your morning pancakes with.:D

DB10 · 15-01-2011 03:04AM

Einhard wrote: »

Wow you love that little rolly eyes guy!

Have you seen Training Day? The whole point of the film is the destruction that the corruption and violent behaviour of Washington's character wreaks, and how his actions make him little better than the scumbags he purports to act against. And you want to use it as a Dummy's Guide to Policing!

come back to me when your opinion matters acting like you should be gardai chief, and it's called the gardai in this country Mr American...:rolleyes:

KylieWyley · 15-01-2011 03:06AM

DB10 wrote: »

So a few coppers roughing up some scum, is the same as years of rape, torture and genocide.

Idiotic post....:rolleyes:

Not really.

I was illustrating that if we condone attitudes such as allowing people to be "roughed up" because of stereotypes associated with their appearance or socioeconomic situation, then where do we draw the line? The notion of allowing people to be roughed because they might get up to no good is idiotic. I was being ironic.

Off you go and walk down the street with your baton :rolleyes:

DB10 · 15-01-2011 03:06AM

Remmy wrote: »

Those collabsible batons arent that hard to get but I wouldnt want to be caught carry one around and definitly not using one.I'd say it would come under a concealed weapon.It really has no other purpose than to strike people with.You couldn't really say you use it to whisk your morning pancakes with.:D

are they illegal to buy? so basically we are talking about a black market job here. no big e. then again the first place to get one is probly of scumbags.

Remmy · 15-01-2011 03:07AM

DB10 wrote: »

come back to me when your opinion matters acting like you should be gardai chief, and it's called the gardai in this country Mr American...:rolleyes:

So the Gardai dont have any role in policing?Its Garda'ing that they do?

Farland · 15-01-2011 03:07AM

I know someone who has one. Im 100% sure your not allowed carry them. SO once again your stuck getting the seven shades of sh*t kicked out of you. If the gards actually were driving by and saw me against three scumbags accepted I had the baton, It would probably be me in the backseat.

DB10 · 15-01-2011 03:07AM

KylieWyley wrote: »

Not really.

I was illustrating that if we condone attitudes such as allowing people to be "roughed up" because of stereotypes associated with their appearance or socioeconomic situation, then where do we draw the line? The notion of allowing people to be roughed because they might get up to no good is idiotic. I was being ironic.

stop it then...:rolleyes:

DB10 · 15-01-2011 03:09AM

Farland wrote: »

I know someone who has one. Im 100% sure your not allowed carry them. SO once again your stuck getting the seven shades of sh*t kicked out of you. If the gards actually were driving by and saw me against three scumbags accepted I had the baton, It would probably be me in the backseat.

you cant spend like thinking about ifs and buts, fact is the chances of them driving by are slim to none depending on area. u said this yourself, it has happened twice already.

Self defense is in the law, you will get away with carrying it if you are clever.

DB10 · 15-01-2011 03:09AM

Farland wrote: »

I know someone who has one. Im 100% sure your not allowed carry them. SO once again your stuck getting the seven shades of sh*t kicked out of you. If the gards actually were driving by and saw me against three scumbags accepted I had the baton, It would probably be me in the backseat.

you cant spend life thinking about ifs and buts, fact is the chances of them driving by are slim to none depending on area. u said this yourself, it has happened twice already.

Self defense is in the law, you will get away with carrying it if you are clever.

DB10 · 15-01-2011 03:11AM

Einhard wrote: »

Wow you love that little rolly eyes guy!

Have you seen Training Day? The whole point of the film is the destruction that the corruption and violent behaviour of Washington's character wreaks, and how his actions make him little better than the scumbags he purports to act against. And you want to use it as a Dummy's Guide to Policing!

Dummys guide to policing is too complex for the force in this country.

They need to sit down watch Training Day (bar the very end), and get out onto the streets tackling scum head on, maybe even before they commit crimes.

Its the only way.

KylieWyley · 15-01-2011 03:11AM

DB10 wrote: »

stop it then...:rolleyes:

good one. :rolleyes:

Farland · 15-01-2011 03:11AM

DB10 wrote: »

Self defense is in the law, you will get away with carrying it if you are clever.

ye your right.

Remmy · 15-01-2011 03:12AM

DB10 wrote: »

are they illegal to buy? so basically we are talking about a black market job here. no big e. then again the first place to get one is probly of scumbags.

Dont quote me on this but I dont believe they are illegal to buy.I saw a few in different shops but that was about 2 years ago or so.It could be the case that they are legal to purchase but illegal to have on your person in a town.Kinda like knuckle dusters being legal in the uk as paperweights but illegal to have out with you in your pocket on a busy friday night:D

KylieWyley · 15-01-2011 03:13AM

Farland wrote: »

ye your right.

no, you're not. self-defense has to be reasonable and proportional to the attack.

if some guy comes and punches you in the head, you'd have a hard time explaining why you bashed his skull in with a baton.

Caitlinn · 15-01-2011 03:14AM

Einhard wrote: »

Move out of whatever scumbag estate you're living in?

Joking aside, you seem to be very unlucky. I've never been attacked on the street, and I don't exactly live in some suburban idyll.

This is a ridiculous statement. Regardless of where the OP lives why should he have to move to avoid incidents like this? The ignorance of some people is unbelievable! What are you suggesting exactly, that he was asking for it?

As for what you can do about it, it's sad to say but I don't think there is much you can do about it, if guards are unwilling to patrol areas on a regular basis. Unless of course you take the law into your own hands in the name of self defence.

DB10 · 15-01-2011 03:14AM

Farland wrote: »

ye your right.

its not he popular way, but at the end of the day many people are afraid to walk down their own street in fear, while most feel they have no protection at all from the "guards".

this country has gone to the dogs, its turning into another lawless state like Kyrgzstan.

Remmy · 15-01-2011 03:15AM

KylieWyley wrote: »

no, you're not. self-defense has to be reasonable and proportional to the attack.

if some guy comes and punches you in the head, you'd have a hard time explaining why you bashed his skull in with a baton.

QFT

DB10 · 15-01-2011 03:16AM

KylieWyley wrote: »

no, you're not. self-defense has to be reasonable and proportional to the attack.

if some guy comes and punches you in the head, you'd have a hard time explaining why you bashed his skull in with a baton.

one bang wont bash anyones skull most of the time, and you need to start of on leg work to knock them down, sheesh...:rolleyes:

Farland · 15-01-2011 03:18AM

How can your response to a group of scumbags attacking you at the same time not be bashing them in the skull or anywhere you can hit them. Its not like they line up one on one and the mates stay back until they get tagged to join in.

When i was with my girlfriend, One guy was like "why the F arent you saying anything". To us and we just walked on.He continued to ask. Then i said not cheekily( is that a word?) What do you want me to say ? Next second theres a punch to my temple and seconds later a punch to the back of my head from one of the nine behind us.

These people deserve worse than can be typed here.

KylieWyley · 15-01-2011 03:18AM

be gone with you, trolls.

pagancornflake · 15-01-2011 03:43AM

Guards can't do anything about it? Blatantly false. Similar thing happened to me a few years ago. I had a friend with me to act as a witness at the station, made a statement, had pictures of my injuries taken; the fellow who did the damage got 4 months, and all I suffered was a broken nose and a mild contusion under my cheekbone.

Farland · 15-01-2011 03:45AM

Were they/him over 18? and how did you find the people who assaulted you? I have never seen these people before in my life.

Oh_Noes · 15-01-2011 03:51AM

They jump on you. You take out your tazer and a can of mace. You are outnumbered. They easily take your mace and tazer off you and start using them against you.

I think you came away from this situation far better than you would have had if you'd been carrying mace and a tazer.

pagancornflake · 15-01-2011 03:54AM

Farland wrote: »

Were they/him over 18? and how did you find the people who assaulted you? I have never seen these people before in my life.

He was, his friends weren't. Got a picture of him from the building I sheltered in after.

Besides, even in the case that assailants are under 18, repeated offenses can warranted jail time/served as a pretext for sentencing after they turn 18. All that is required is for people to actually make an effort and follow these incidents up properly.

The state of street safety.

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