The Miseducation of Jimbo Slice

Inspector Coptoor · 12-01-2011 01:23AM

Hanley wrote: »

Liam said you tap faster than Michael Flatley...

for the record, I've never made Will tap nor have I ever seen him actually tap.

Edit, I saw him tap in a fight once, but never in training

Hanley · 12-01-2011 01:29AM

itsallaboutheL wrote: »

Are you getting cold feet GSP?

Would you ever **** off. you'll be the first one to give out if I get injured. You try the last week and see what state you're in after it. Let's look at what's happened me in the last year;

Weightlifting - 6 weeks - subluxated shoulder

Strongman - 2 weeks - unable to turn or move my head for a week, no sleep as a result and training injured for 3-4 weeks

I'm trying to avoid that sh!t again.

Barry.Oglesby · 12-01-2011 09:41AM

Liam Henners257 wrote: »

for the record, I've never made Will tap nor have I ever seen him actually tap.

Edit, I saw him tap in a fight once, but never in training

Will taps in fairly much every training session. So do I, so does everyone in the gym. We don't train to win we train to learn. We fight to win. In fact I'd go so far as to say if you're not tapping regularly, you're not growing.

Hanley as I said on fb, the survival element is a part of the process. The better guys in the gym will tap you regularly and because you're stronger, you might survive a lot more than others would. But hard as it might be initially, try to be mindful of what they're doing and how they're doing it. Ask questions at the end of the session and try your best to understand every position and the things you should be doing to not get caught in those positions.

What should happen is that you'll get a bit better, then something will click with you (and I'll force you to do some things) and you actually might find yourself taking a few steps back to go forward. But that's okay.

With regard to the soreness, you would have been a good subject for my "how weak does BJJ make you" test. You feel sore right now because you've been moving in new planes, but also because you've taken impact pretty much everywhere in your body for the last 2 weeks. So just suck it up.

Hanley · 12-01-2011 10:39AM

Barry.Oglesby wrote: »

Will taps in fairly much every training session. So do I, so does everyone in the gym. We don't train to win we train to learn. We fight to win. In fact I'd go so far as to say if you're not tapping regularly, you're not growing.

Hanley as I said on fb, the survival element is a part of the process. The better guys in the gym will tap you regularly and because you're stronger, you might survive a lot more than others would. But hard as it might be initially, try to be mindful of what they're doing and how they're doing it. Ask questions at the end of the session and try your best to understand every position and the things you should be doing to not get caught in those positions.

What should happen is that you'll get a bit better, then something will click with you (and I'll force you to do some things) and you actually might find yourself taking a few steps back to go forward. But that's okay.

With regard to the soreness, you would have been a good subject for my "how weak does BJJ make you" test. You feel sore right now because you've been moving in new planes, but also because you've taken impact pretty much everywhere in your body for the last 2 weeks. So just suck it up.

Ah yeah I know about the tapping… I was only joking about that!!!

The strength thing is something I noticed. One of the lads tried to get me with a (reverse?) kimura while rolling the other day and my arm and shoulder muscles were strong enough to hold it off, but my forearm eventually felt like it was going to snap from the pressure. It’s still sore today!!

As for nothing using strength… should I just train “soft” insofar as I don’t try to muscle out of bad positions and instead try to move out? Or is using strength to yank and adjust part of that process?

The 2 step forward/1 back thing is something I’ve seen in weightlifting and PL too, probably not to the same extent but yah, it’s frustrating.

As for the soreness aspect, fair enough. That’s all I needed to hear. Thanks.

Killme00 · 12-01-2011 11:26AM

What exactly happened to your thumb, an accident or a finger-lock?

Inspector Coptoor · 12-01-2011 11:54AM

Killme00 wrote: »

What exactly happened to your thumb, an accident or a finger-lock?

He got his thumb stuck in my fatness, thats all

Barry.Oglesby · 12-01-2011 03:22PM

Hanley wrote: »

The strength thing is something I noticed. One of the lads tried to get me with a (reverse?) kimura while rolling the other day and my arm and shoulder muscles were strong enough to hold it off, but my forearm eventually felt like it was going to snap from the pressure. It’s still sore today!!

Technique is perfection. Strength is assistance.

As for nothing using strength… should I just train “soft” insofar as I don’t try to muscle out of bad positions and instead try to move out? Or is using strength to yank and adjust part of that process?

You'll just learn when to stick and when to twist as you go. Pretty much every major movement you'll ever need to learn is in the warm up, believe it or not. But mostly the thing you need to learn is about the "tap" and how it's a training tool and not some goal. Some people who don't really understand think it's the be all and end all, but they're guys who don't really train.

The 2 step forward/1 back thing is something I’ve seen in weightlifting and PL too, probably not to the same extent but yah, it’s frustrating.

Same in every sport I suppose.

COH · 12-01-2011 04:08PM

cardio,shoot me · 12-01-2011 08:27PM

Hanley wrote: »

As for nothing using strength… should I just train “soft” insofar as I don’t try to muscle out of bad positions and instead try to move out?

blabble: im not a coach (obviously) but i would say no. Use your strength, i doubt you'll ever fight someone stronger than you anyway (if you fight at 93), ive rolled with all sorts of people, ranging from 68kg to 140kg most weaker, alot waaaaay stronger than me. I find it interesting ..

Will Heffernan · 12-01-2011 08:38PM

cardio,shoot me wrote: »

blabble: im not a coach (obviously) but i would say no.

No to what?

Use your strength, i doubt you'll ever fight someone stronger than you anyway (if you fight at 93),

Well he's going to spar with me? I'm 'weaker' than him and I am going to smash the ever living piss out of him on the ground and standing up. Strength when it comes to combat sports is relative and depends on how you choose to measure it. There are some pretty 'strong' dudes floating and if Hanley has aspirations of progressing in the sport he will very quickly come up against guys every bit as strong as he is.

around ive rolled with all sorts of people, ranging from 68kg to 140kg most weaker, alot waaaaay stronger than me. I find it interesting ..

I'd agree...you see the full spectrum but these days in decent level MMA the guys in the LHW class that I've met have been pretty jakt.

Hanley · 12-01-2011 11:26PM

cardio,shoot me wrote: »

blabble: im not a coach (obviously) but i would say no. Use your strength, i doubt you'll ever fight someone stronger than you anyway (if you fight at 93), ive rolled with all sorts of people, ranging from 68kg to 140kg most weaker, alot waaaaay stronger than me. I find it interesting ..

My take on that would be, why let myself have poor technique on purpose and use my strength as a crutch when I could spend time developing the latter and combine them to be truly t-rex-ian in nature?

Hanley · 12-01-2011 11:27PM

Barry.Oglesby wrote: »

Technique is perfection.

"Well you see, it's a continuum"

It's nice that you and Will have catch phrases

Hanley · 12-01-2011 11:52PM

Will Heffernan wrote: »

No to what?

Hanley: Are you in the mood for a rape?
Cardio: No
Hanley: That's the spirt!

Well he's going to spar with me? I'm 'weaker' than him and I am going to smash the ever living piss out of him on the ground and standing up. Strength when it comes to combat sports is relative and depends on how you choose to measure it. There are some pretty 'strong' dudes floating and if Hanley has aspirations of progressing in the sport he will very quickly come up against guys every bit as strong as he is.

1) Why do you want to hurt me?
2) Can we measure by 20 rep squats??
3) I wish i could float.

I'd agree...you see the full spectrum but these days in decent level MMA the guys in the LHW class that I've met have been pretty jakt.

What's "jakt"? I've seen skinny dudes and fat dudes wearing it in the gym. Is it somthing to do with not being in shape!?

Will Heffernan · 13-01-2011 12:01AM

Hanley wrote: »

1) Why do you want to hurt me?

I don't and I won't actually. Like I do with everyone else....I'll nurse you along as best I can because I am only as good as the training partners I have. I want you to get good as fast as you can.

2) Can we measure by 20 rep squats??

No.

3) I wish i could float.

There's lots of guys 'like' you floating around don't worry about that.

What's "jakt"? I've seen skinny dudes and fat dudes wearing it in the gym. Is it somthing to do with not being in shape!?

Exactly.

Hanley · 13-01-2011 12:03AM

<<You're flying without wings...>>

IP Warm Up - 3 rounds

BJJ - 60 minutes?!

Done w/ gi - worked on chokes with the collar

4 positions (all from seat belt bck control);
-rolled to the side with full back control popping the elbow back
-rolled to the side with one hook out, pushing on gi and using chest to stop him rolling back
-rolled to the side, losing both hooks and going to "lat pulldown" position, a.k.a "The Exorcist Choke"
-lost both hooks, dude's rolled onto his knees - a.k.a "The Clock"

Rolling - competition rounds

Think I did 6/7 6 minutes rounds w/ 60-90 seconds rest where I was just trying not to get submitted too much. After my first couple of rolls Will told me to just try and roll into the guy and keep my elbows tight and get balled up, then showed me a tekker to try and make space by getting my knee out. When I did it with him it was fine cos his hips were twisted "away" from me/on their chest, but when I was rolling with the lads a lot of the time they had their hips twisted "in"/leaning on me with their ribs effectively which made it very hard to do cos they were able to chase me across the mat easier.

Conservative estimate at the amount of times I tapped? Think Riverdance.

Hanley · 13-01-2011 12:05AM

Will Heffernan wrote: »

I don't and I won't actually.

I sure hope internet contracts are binding.

Like I do with everyone else....I'll nurse you along as best I can because I am only as good as the training partners I have. I want you to get good as fast as you can.

Selfish.

But that's cool... cos the faster you help me get good, the faster I get good, the better you have to get, the better I get

No.

There's lots of guys 'like' you floating around don't worry about that.

Guys with no idea what they're doing?

Da Za · 13-01-2011 02:30PM

You'll have to let your legs go into a catabolic state to become Jimbo Slice...........

Will Heffernan · 13-01-2011 03:33PM

Hanley wrote: »

I sure hope internet contracts are binding.

They are...everyone knows that.

Selfish.

Always.

But that's cool... cos the faster you help me get good, the faster I get good, the better you have to get, the better I get

Exactly.

Ghey.

Guys with no idea what they're doing?

No...really strong dudes. There's guys repping 160kg on the bench...I know that because my handler Robin spotted a dude in our weight class doing just that...and Robin said to me..'Will the dude didn't actually need a spotter.'

cardio,shoot me · 13-01-2011 07:16PM

well i wasnt suggesting you dont learn technique in my post, i was saying that i feel you shouldnt tone down your strength as your rolling.

Hanley · 14-01-2011 01:10AM

<<bonkers...>>

IP Warm Up - 2 rounds

Striking - 60 minutes
-general warm up
-3x 3 minute rounds of jabs, 1-2's and feints
-some non-contact sparring and then going in close and taking body shots
-250 kicks to finish

MMA - 60 minutes I guess?
-pummelled for a while
-did some side control escape work to guard/half guard
-watch the lads spar

The striking was good... I THINK I'm improving every time. I hope I am anyway. I'm kinda becoming more aware of the subtleties of each strike, even if I can't throw them the way they should be yet.

Accepting those shots today sucked. Got hit with a few really sweet shots by Stephen that knocked the wind outta me. Suppose there's nothing to help HTFU other than taking punches and kicks.

THe kicks were so tiring. Legs and body off both feet, and then had to let Stephen ruin me with 250 of his own even after I was boll*xed.

I obviously am no where near sparring level yet so I was happy enough to hide on the side of the mat and work on my side control escapes. Tried to put into practice a few tips from Barry and Will so hopefully will be able to get back to guard against a few of the more experienced guys tomorrow.

Will Heffernan · 14-01-2011 03:46AM

You're coming along just fine. Keep turning up and doing what you are told and you'll come along really quickly.

Also...Somerville has heavy legs...so good work taking those 250.

Killme00 · 14-01-2011 01:20PM

You don't know me from adam but i read your SDMA thread. I'll bring the Saulo book to IP for you this evening. I find it very hard to learn from books these days, so you can keep it for as long as you want.

Hanley wrote: »

Barry recommended a book called Jiu-Jitsu University (I think?) – anyone know if it can be got in Dublin or will I have to order it online?

Hanley · 14-01-2011 03:26PM

Killme00 wrote: »

You don't know me from adam but i read your SDMA thread. I'll bring the Saulo book to IP for you this evening. I find it very hard to learn from books these days, so you can keep it for as long as you want.

You absolute champion. Thanks a million!

Hanley · 14-01-2011 03:34PM

Will Heffernan wrote: »

You're coming along just fine. Keep turning up and doing what you are told and you'll come along really quickly.

Also...Somerville has heavy legs...so good work taking those 250.

Yeah I’m hoping I do… Looking forward to trying to make space and get back to guard tonight. That’s literally all I’m thinking about now when it comes to BJJ. I’ll have to get Barry and yourself to show me some ways of keeping the dude in guard once you get him there.

As for the kicks… I’m surprised I’m not sorer today actually. My ribs felt a bit rough last night going to bed after the punching but I’m fine this morning. Does your body get used to getting hit yah?

cardio,shoot me · 14-01-2011 07:39PM

jimbo, you out on sunday? think thats when ill be heading

FTA69 · 14-01-2011 08:46PM

Hanley wrote: »

Suppose there's nothing to help HTFU other than taking punches and kicks.

The best medicine for everything. I find the striking is much more trying on the body than the ground work, my arms are so sore now I couldn't even wash my hair in the shower.

Hanley · 14-01-2011 09:57PM

cardio,shoot me wrote: »

jimbo, you out on sunday? think thats when ill be heading

Cool, enjoy standing outside 'til Monday

FTA69 wrote: »

The best medicine for everything. I find the striking is much more trying on the body than the ground work, my arms are so sore now I couldn't even wash my hair in the shower.

Wait... do you train in IP too?!?

Hanley · 14-01-2011 10:05PM

<<Catch a grenade for ya...>>

IP Warm Up - 3 rounds
+my shoulder stuff

Prowler:
160kg 10 pushes in 10 minutes

Bag:
3x 3 minute rounds w/ 60 second recovery

Non-rhythmic open and closed chain shoulder stabilisation w/ added core aspect:
3 x60 seconds

Prowling was solid today. Got thru the 160kg without too much trouble. Going to go with 80kg next time out and try to hit 20 pushes.

Bag stuff was alright, worked 10 jabs and 10 rights alternating for the first round, then 1-2's thereafter. Still hit and miss (wahey!), but improving. My jabs had the bag bouncing.

The shoulder stuff was grand, raised the rings up so my core was getting slaughtered too.

And get this... I got told today in work that I had to do less training so I could do more work. That is, they want me to work extra hours for which I'm not going to get paid, or get ANY benefit from for the next 3 months and train less - Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha!!!

FTA69 · 14-01-2011 10:14PM

Hanley wrote: »

Cool, enjoy standing outside 'til Monday

Wait... do you train in IP too?!?

Nah lad I train in Sean Scoil Combat here in Cork, I was doing boxing today as well though.

dartstothesea · 15-01-2011 02:38AM

Hanley wrote: »

And get this... I got told today in work that I had to do less training so I could do more work. That is, they want me to work extra hours for which I'm not going to get paid, or get ANY benefit from for the next 3 months and train less - Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha!!!

Yikes, nightmare. Did you tell them no / are you in a position to say no?

The Miseducation of Jimbo Slice

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