will there be a superlevy

whelan1 · 05-01-2011 02:48PM #1

i asked this months ago and everyone said no , rang dairies today and they are saying there will be if things keep going like thay are as people have milked their cows on with the good milk price , what do you think?

blue5000 · 05-01-2011 03:10PM

No, maybe in some co-ops but country won't be over quota. Sure there won't be a blade of grass anywhere till paddys day. Co-op is tryin to scare the bejazes out of you, on the other hand if you get a S levy bill don't come back to me complainin, no is just what I think.....

5live · 05-01-2011 05:00PM

I dont think so whelan1. Kerry still 40million litres under and grass isnt going to be very plentiful this spring with the cold weather and with ration prices going up it wont be profitable to feed high levels of meal. Then again, farmers sometimes dont look at the bottom line before feeding so.... TBH i dont think so but a month is a very long time in farming not to mind 3 months. Did you buy any quota or are you waiting for 2015

whelan1 · 05-01-2011 05:42PM

i am actually putting milk in to temporary leasing as i lost cows last year and couldn't afford to replace them:mad: so even though i had the cows out longer etc there isnt a hope in hell of me filling my quota:o

5live · 05-01-2011 05:57PM

Im pretty much the same. I am thinking of putting a bit into temp leasing but do you lose entitlement to flexi milk if you do? Its not going to bother me this year but come april the whole race starts again:o

snowman707 · 06-01-2011 02:39PM

i don't think there will be a levy, at least hope not .. we are running a little over,

I see a lot of dairy stock advertised for sale mostly first calvers and maidens. reckon 11/12 onwards would need to be cautious as regards levy, but weather and fert prices could have a say .

greenfielder · 13-01-2011 10:20AM

hi folks,

have 250 acres and was thinking of starting a greenfield dairy unit. my main worry though is quota. I have none and as you can only buy 100,000 litres worry is that country will be over quota and superlevy could badly affect it. what is the alternative?

5live · 13-01-2011 10:47AM

greenfielder wrote: »

hi folks,

have 250 acres and was thinking of starting a greenfield dairy unit. my main worry though is quota. I have none and as you can only buy 100,000 litres worry is that country will be over quota and superlevy could badly affect it. what is the alternative?

Temporary leasing at 2c a litre for round 1 or 1c for round 2 closing this friday i think. Plus flexi milk worth a few litres too. You might be lucky and come across a partnership. May be worth looking into

Tipp Man · 13-01-2011 11:04AM

greenfielder wrote: »

hi folks,

have 250 acres and was thinking of starting a greenfield dairy unit. my main worry though is quota. I have none and as you can only buy 100,000 litres worry is that country will be over quota and superlevy could badly affect it. what is the alternative?

buy a plough

John_F · 13-01-2011 11:42AM

can you only buy 100,000 l? thats the maximum on the milk quota exchange :eek: you could look out for the new entrants scheme. have you milked cows before? not as easy as it is on paper you know

John_F · 13-01-2011 11:45AM

on the super levy, milk quota situation is tightening and if theres a very good spring, it could be very tight, 1% point filled in the month of november http://www.agriculture.gov.ie/farmingsectors/dairy/milkquotas/milksuperlevysituation/

2011 - 12 season will be onne to be very wary of in my opinion

greenfielder · 13-01-2011 05:34PM

plough could be best option alright!! yeah we milk in de north but have land in south so were thinking of setting up there. wouldn't qualify for de new entrants. say we only bought 100,000l on the exchange and produced 1,000,000 litres could we lease the 900,000? it will be at least 2012 before this will take place, better leaving to 2015?

John_F · 13-01-2011 05:41PM

ye could try, but the leasing depends very much on the national situation and imo in 2012 ther'l be alot of people looking for quota and not enough selling / leasing, too many variables to know though, price, weather, disease etc etc. by entering in 2015 you will imo still have to buy shares or rights to sell milk, this is done in nz and if the co op feel they dont want milk then they just up the share price to make it uneconomical for farmers to purchase, my opinion is to get into dairying now rather than post 2015... however people are very divided on this issue

Tipp Man · 13-01-2011 05:53PM

John_F wrote: »

ye could try, but the leasing depends very much on the national situation and imo in 2012 ther'l be alot of people looking for quota and not enough selling / leasing, too many variables to know though, price, weather, disease etc etc. by entering in 2015 you will imo still have to buy shares or rights to sell milk, this is done in nz and if the co op feel they dont want milk then they just up the share price to make it uneconomical for farmers to purchase, my opinion is to get into dairying now rather than post 2015... however people are very divided on this issue

I would think that alot of Glanbia and Dairygold suppliers are thinking along the same lines as yourself John - hence the high price at both coops in the last auction

Tipp Man · 13-01-2011 05:55PM

How much would it cost to set up a 250 acre dairy?

Half a million or more by the time everything is taken into account?

Hard to see how that can pay

whelan1 · 13-01-2011 05:57PM

Tipp Man wrote: »

How much would it cost to set up a 250 acre dairy?

Half a million or more by the time everything is taken into account?

Hard to see how that can pay

cant see any bank lending out that tbh

5live · 13-01-2011 08:03PM

Tipp Man wrote: »

How much would it cost to set up a 250 acre dairy?

Half a million or more by the time everything is taken into account?

Hard to see how that can pay

250 cows at 1k a cow/ heifer is 250k for a start assuming no cattle at the start. 40k plus for parlour and about the same for a tank. Roads. Fencing. water. Cubicle housing 100k plus? Half a million may be conservative

red bull · 14-01-2011 01:21AM

Believe me, if milk price stays only on its present level and a good March country will definetly go over quota:eek:

5live · 14-01-2011 05:52PM

kerry talking about 2c rise this month so i hear but we will need about 4c to cover ration and fert increases this year

dar31 · 30-01-2011 07:20PM

well lads and ladies,
what everyones views on super levy at the moment,
how are individual coops around the place doing

whelan1 · 30-01-2011 07:23PM

i think it will be very tight- i personally will be ok

dar31 · 30-01-2011 07:27PM

is there still another round of temp leasing to go,
might consider hedging my bets a little

whelan1 · 30-01-2011 07:39PM

i put milk in to temporary leasing - have less cows due to a problem last year and couldn't afford to buy in replacement- have 50 heifers coming in this year of my own to cover what i lost last year, so hopefully i will be over quota next year:)

funny man · 30-01-2011 07:40PM

deffinetly NO Superlevy in C/Gold or L/lands but Glanbia and Dairygold will push us over me thinks.

dar31 · 30-01-2011 07:46PM

funny man wrote: »

deffinetly NO Superlevy in C/Gold or L/lands but Glanbia and Dairygold will push us over me thinks.

is kerry still well under or are they catching up, glanbia looking like they will head over, im in the premier pool, so a bit insulated, but its rising steadily as well.

funny man · 30-01-2011 07:57PM

yea kerry is still well under

stanflt · 30-01-2011 07:58PM

dar31 wrote: »

is kerry still well under or are they catching up, glanbia looking like they will head over, im in the premier pool, so a bit insulated, but its rising steadily as well.

im in premier 2. cant afford superlevy-quota already filled:eek:

whelan1 · 30-01-2011 07:59PM

stanflt wrote: »

im in premier 2. cant afford superlevy-quota already filled:eek:

i can give ye some

stanflt · 30-01-2011 08:05PM

whelan1 wrote: »

i can give ye some

thanks- did you see the journal this week- farmers convicted of switching milk

keep going · 30-01-2011 09:38PM

west cork coops over and next year looks like a disaster, some thing going to have to be done about it for the next few years.any ejit comes to your door looking for a vote ask him what he is going to do about.gov scared to say anything in europe.no good looking for 50% extra in 2020 if the guys that are going to do it are burnt with superlevy.

whelan1 · 30-01-2011 09:43PM

stanflt wrote: »

thanks- did you see the journal this week- farmers convicted of switching milk

ye:D

will there be a superlevy

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