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Men should be banned from getting paternity tests

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  • Posts: 79 ✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Alright, biko, that's fair enough.
    Never been in a relevant situation myself *touch wood* but I know a surprising number of guys who have, if the percentage is actually as low as 4-5%. I know a guy who was married for twenty years and was raising three kids with his wife. After discovering he was shooting blanks he did a paternity test....

    IMO, if I had any doubt, it would poison my relationship with the child's mother. Knowing the child wasn't mine wouldn't necessarily mean that I would leave, but the uncertainty would kill me. Dealing with the relationship consequences of asking for a paternity test would be a lot easier than dealing with the lack of trust.

    Reminds me of this story. Maybe apocraphal, but I doubt it

    http://www.craigslist.org/about/best/sea/274495936.html
    Vasectomy: $400. Speechless look on her face: priceless.
    Date: 2007-02-06, 2:24PM PST

    I'll try to sum up a funny story that happened a few years ago:

    I got a vasectomy.

    I met a girl soon afterwards. She was nice and attractive but with a selfish streak that raised a big red flag. She was 32 at the time and I could practically HEAR her biological clock ticking. Regardless, she was a good lay, easy on the eyes, and reasonably good company.

    I did NOT tell her about my vasectomy and I always used a condom with her to protect against STDs. She assumed, obviously, that the condom was only used for birth control. Silly girl.

    We date for a few months. I never made any move towards commitment but she brought it up ocassionally. For me, this was a casual but pleasant relationship. For her - as I was to find out - it was part of life-changing series of events that she was planning very carefully.

    Four months into dating, I get the "I'm pregnant" talk. She's going on and on about how the condom must have broke and now we really need to think about getting married "for the baby". She's positively giddy. She has a baby in her and she thinks she's gonna have a good meal ticket (me) to go along with her new 7lb annuity.

    At this point, I'm just as giddy. I get to pull the reverse "oops" on her. I figured that she slept with some bad boy and got knocked up. Good thing I was using condoms! Better still that I have a serious mistrust of women who can't think beyond their own uteri.

    So I wait a couple of days to "think about all this." I meet her again. I say I don't want kids and that she should have an abortion. I know where this is going and sure enough it goes there. She goes completely bat**** insane on me. There were the usual insults about my manhood. There were threats of legal action. It was all very ugly and I was loving every minute of it.

    Well, I let her stew for a few days. She leaves me nasty messages on my phone. She sends awful emails. I'm laughing hysterically.

    It was time to drop the hammer. While she was stewing I was busy. First I get a notarized copy from the urologist who performed the vasectomy. Next I get a notarized copy of the TWO test results indicating a "negative test result for sperm" to show I'm sterile and shooting blanks. Finally, I get a letter from a shark attorney stating he has seen the other documents and is prepared to litigate against this woman if she continues to communicate with me in such an unpleasant manner. Also, the letter states that we will insist on DNA testing to show that the baby is not mine. I'm ready.

    I meet with this woman at her place. I bring flowers and a small bit of jewelry to show I am willing to reconcile and assume my responsibilities as a new father. I also have stuck in my pocket the documents I have prepared.

    She's all giddy again. Her plan is going perfectly - or so she thinks. We talk about our future. We have some pretty good sex. Then, as I am about to walk out the door, I ask her the $64,000 question. "Are you sure that this baby is mine?"

    Well, she goes bat**** insane again. Hell, she ought to. Her plan could completely unravel if there is ANY question about my paternity. Oh, she's really screaming now. How dare I question her morals. Do I think she's a slut. I'm just trying to weasel out of my responsibilities... blah, blah, blah, yadda, yadda, yadda.

    I'm not really mad. I'm kind of embarrassed for her. But since she won't shut up and the neighbors can hear all of this, I ask her to step back inside and sit down. She sits on the sofa and calms down a bit. She is glaring at me with all the moral self-righteousness that only a woman can muster up. She thinks she has me trapped. She is 100% convinced her plan has worked. Oh, the tangled web of lies and deceit she has wrought around herself and I am about to hack through them with a few pieces of paper.

    I reach into my pocket slowly. I extract the three pieces of paper and unfold them slowly and deliberately.

    I tell her simply, "You're screwed".

    Her look doesn't change. There is no way she can fathom what I have prepared.

    I continue. "I am sterile"

    Her look changes just a bit. Something is beginning to sink in. Naturally, she reverts to women's logic. "You're full of ****. You're trapped and you know it."

    I hold up the letter and the test results. "Three months before we met, I had a vasectomy. Here is a notarized letter from him stating what I had done. Here are two test results showing that I tested negative for the presence of sperm. Blanks. I am shooting blanks. That baby inside you is simply not mine."

    This woman is not to be swayed by logic and clear documentation. "Bull****, those are fakes."

    I was ready for that. "No, they are real. This last piece of paper is from my attorney. It's a simple letter to you that states if you pursue any kind of legal action against me for child support that I will insist on a DNA test to prove paternity, that is, to prove that your baby is not mine."

    I give the woman all the documents. She reads them slowly, deliberately. With each passing second she can feel in her soul that she has made a very bad mistake. With denial swept away, she started to cry. It's a small cry at first. Then it becomes deeper and more painful. By the time she gets to the letter from the lawyer she is sobbing.

    I had no sympathy for her. I turned and walked out the door. Even after I closed the door I could still hear her sobbing.

    Epilogue -

    I never heard directly from this woman again. I did hear through my friends that she did indeed have the baby. I also heard that the real father was some guy in a band she had met. I assumed that after 30, women stopped going after musicians, bikers, criminals, and thugs. Silly me for thinking the best of American women.

    The Moral of the Story -

    Get a vasectomy but keep it a secret.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 43,316 ✭✭✭✭K-9


    That is freaky stuff, on so many contrasting levels!

    Mad Men's Don Draper : What you call love was invented by guys like me, to sell nylons.



  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,072 ✭✭✭PeterIanStaker


    But then Maury would be out of a job. That woman's crazy!


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,847 ✭✭✭HavingCrack


    The woman is clearly crazy, I doubt any sane thinking female would agree with her.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,160 ✭✭✭Kimono-Girl


    Every man should have the right to know the truth about his child, and in my opinion it is when a paternity test causes problems, thats when it needs to be done.


    it causes no harm to anyone (excluding the wallet) so if a man wants to pay out for one, let him,

    if you are lying to the father about the child being his then you only have yourself to blame when the truth comes out and it always does.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 37,214 ✭✭✭✭Dudess


    Sardonicat wrote: »
    I have never heard of Melanie McDonagh before.Out of interest, does she describe herself a as a feminist? The OP describes her as a "catholic apologist". Catholicism and feminism don't really mix too well. Judging from her article, she seems to think it's still 1864, seeing as she believes women require the "power" of being the only one to truly know the idenitiy of their child's father. IMO, she is a **** stirrer ala Myers
    Spot-on. To refer to her as a feminist comes across as agenda-pushing. She reminds me of Julie Burchill (inconsistent troll extraordinaire) - could easily write something totally anti women next week.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 851 ✭✭✭PrincessLola


    I did NOT tell her about my vasectomy and I always used a condom with her to protect against STDs. She assumed, obviously, that the condom was only used for birth control. Silly girl.
    I'm not really mad. I'm kind of embarrassed for her. But since she won't shut up and the neighbors can hear all of this, I ask her to step back inside and sit down. She sits on the sofa and calms down a bit. She is glaring at me with all the moral self-righteousness that only a woman can muster up. She thinks she has me trapped. She is 100% convinced her plan has worked. Oh, the tangled web of lies and deceit she has wrought around herself and I am about to hack through them with a few pieces of paper.
    Her look changes just a bit. Something is beginning to sink in. Naturally, she reverts to women's logic. "You're full of ****. You're trapped and you know it."
    :rolleyes: Putting the woman's behaviour (which I do not condone) aside for a moment, this guy has problems and seems to have a deep dislike of women. If he clearly didn't trust her from the beginning why did he enter into a relationship with her?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 10,070 ✭✭✭✭pq0n1ct4ve8zf5


    The kind of woman who would refuse to give someone a DNA test has just made a pretty good argument as to why she shouldn't be allowed to decide a lot about who gets to raise her child tbh. There's such a high chance of that coming out later in life, and it would be emotionally devastating to both the poor man and the child. Imagine a couple who only had one child, then grandchildren, and when the man's in his 70s he discovers he hasn't left any descendents on this earth.

    Silly attention seeking bitch really, shame on whoever taught her the word feminism.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,456 ✭✭✭✭Sardonicat


    Silly attention seeking bitch really, shame on whoever taught her the word feminism.

    From what I can gather from the OP, Melanie Mcdonagh does not describe herself as a feminist. It was the OP himself who allied her argument to feminism.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 20,944 ✭✭✭✭Links234


    Sardonicat wrote: »
    From what I can gather from the OP, Melanie Mcdonagh does not describe herself as a feminist. It was the OP himself who allied her argument to feminism.

    maybe she doesn't describe herself as a feminist but she does invoke feminism in the article -
    DNA tests are an anti-feminist appliance of science, a change in the balance of power between the sexes that we’ve hardly come to terms with.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,028 ✭✭✭✭--LOS--


    I have a mate whose sister had a black baby. As both she and her husband are white and so are both of their parents this could easily have led to the breakdown of their marriage had it not been for the availability of DNA testing. She insisted the baby was his and insisted on having a DNA test which duly proved he was indeed the father. She was adopted and there was obviously black blood in her birt parents' genes. Untypical case of course but shows the definite advantages of DNA testing.

    big Jeremy Kyle fan myself :cool:


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,456 ✭✭✭✭Sardonicat


    Links234 wrote: »
    maybe she doesn't describe herself as a feminist but she does invoke feminism in the article -
    Fair point.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 622 ✭✭✭sandmanporto


    THINK ABOUT THE CHILD FOR ONCE!!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 81,060 ✭✭✭✭biko


    She assumed, obviously, that the condom was only used for birth control. Silly girl.
    Hmm, doesn't he make an assumption there too?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,598 ✭✭✭✭prinz


    A catholic-apologist who believes women should be screwing and getting knocked up by whoever they want and be allowed to con someone else into thinking it's their own kid. Something does not compute.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,941 ✭✭✭thebigbiffo


    :rolleyes: Putting the woman's behaviour (which I do not condone) aside for a moment, this guy has problems and seems to have a deep dislike of women. If he clearly didn't trust her from the beginning why did he enter into a relationship with her?

    i think it's fairly clear from the article that he took the relationship as being a casual, non-commital one ie. it was mostly about sex. tbh, i didn't find his comments that bad - women can muster up a serious amount of self righteousness when they want and this guy was getting royally screwed by her, he has a right to make such comments and i'd understand if he did become mistrustful of all women after this event, it'd be hard not to when you've experienced that level of callousness from the opposite sex.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,119 ✭✭✭Wagon


    :rolleyes: Putting the woman's behaviour (which I do not condone) aside for a moment, this guy has problems and seems to have a deep dislike of women. If he clearly didn't trust her from the beginning why did he enter into a relationship with her?
    Might sound weird but it seems like he was just referring to her. His mind might have been a little distracted when he was trying to remember all the details to a story about a woman that nearly ruined his life.

    So it's either that...or he's a cock. Still, you can't deny he's a clever one.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 43,316 ✭✭✭✭K-9


    he has a right to make such comments and i'd understand if he did become mistrustful of all women after this event,

    The guy had serious issues before he met the girl and actively sought out this particular type of girl.

    If he is that good at spotting these type of women, he's best avoiding them. We all know biatches exist.

    Mad Men's Don Draper : What you call love was invented by guys like me, to sell nylons.



  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,119 ✭✭✭Wagon


    Hate these threads where you keep changing your opinion :(


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 43,316 ✭✭✭✭K-9


    Wagon wrote: »
    Hate these threads where you keep changing your opinion :(

    It's just the phrases he uses. Selfish girl, good ride, that type of thing. He was getting what he wanted so in some ways, is as bad.

    It's the poor innocent lads who get duped that I feel sorry for.

    Mad Men's Don Draper : What you call love was invented by guys like me, to sell nylons.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,770 ✭✭✭Bottle_of_Smoke


    Darlughda wrote: »
    This woman is an abhorrent creature for writing such vile claptrap.

    She is the epitome of anti-feminism.

    She wants to increase women's options but do nothing for injustices against men. Seems typically feminist to me.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 851 ✭✭✭PrincessLola


    i think it's fairly clear from the article that he took the relationship as being a casual, non-commital one ie. it was mostly about sex. tbh, i didn't find his comments that bad - women can muster up a serious amount of self righteousness when they want and this guy was getting royally screwed by her, he has a right to make such comments and i'd understand if he did become mistrustful of all women after this event, it'd be hard not to when you've experienced that level of callousness from the opposite sex.

    Sure, he's entitled to his mistrust after this event but hating on all women and making gross generalisations crosses the line.
    This man doesn't seem to like/trust women anyway. I can tell by the type of language he uses and how he uses this one woman in particular to make generalisations and hate on all women. How would you like it if I decided all men were rapists just because I was raped by one individual man?
    Men can be just as untrustworthy, just because they can't get pregnant (evidence) doesn't mean they can't be equally unfaithful.

    And in my experience men are just as self-righteous as women.


  • Posts: 1,060 ✭✭✭ Leilani Narrow Second


    anyone who purports that it is a good idea to dupe someone into being a parent is just a tw*t


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,072 ✭✭✭PeterIanStaker


    prinz wrote: »
    A catholic-apologist who believes women should be screwing and getting knocked up by whoever they want and be allowed to con someone else into thinking it's their own kid. Something does not compute.

    Sure thats how it all started

    "Honestly, Joesph, I got knocked up by God himself" - Mary.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,879 ✭✭✭Coriolanus


    Sure thats how it all started

    "Honestly, Joesph, I got knocked up by God himself" - Mary.
    Yeah, abstinence wasn't 100% effective for Joseph the poor fúck.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,072 ✭✭✭PeterIanStaker


    Nevore wrote: »
    Yeah, abstinence wasn't 100% effective for Joseph the poor fúck.
    posted this before but what the heck:
    http://turbo.inquisitr.com/wp-content/2010/12/maury-christmas.jpg


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,080 ✭✭✭Gunsfortoys


    Ridiculous. That is all I can say for that article.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,598 ✭✭✭✭prinz


    Sure thats how it all started
    "Honestly, Joesph, I got knocked up by God himself" - Mary.

    Ho Ho Ho P.I.Staker. The difference is she didn't try to pass it off as Joseph's kid so you're not really doing yourself any favours are you if you read back what I wrote.

    Meh, Jeremy Kyle is where it's really at.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 41 John_Cultane


    I don't know if this has been mentioned but there are a few cases where woman had DNA tests and were said not to be the mothers of their own children. No lab mix up involved. There is a condition where by a person can have two sets of DNA in their body. It is a result of a twin being absorbed in the womb. Effectively some internal organs can be different from the rest of the body. Apparently it is highly unlikely to occur with men but it is possible for men to have sperm with a different DNA to their mouth.

    They didn't believe it could happen with woman until it was discovered. One woman had her children removed as they suspected she kidnapped them.


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