FA CUP 3rd Round: Manchester Utd v Liverpool (Match Thread) Mod Warning #214 - READ!

KaiserGunner · 09-01-2011 06:34PM

As a neutral observer of the match today, Howard Webb got one decision correct and one totally wrong. The sending off I agreed with as it was quite a reckless challenge.

But I cant believe anyone thinks that it should have been a penalty on the "challenge" on Berbatov. It was a blatant dive and he cheated. Was just as bad as the Eduardo one against Celtic in which everyone and their dog where up in arms about at the time. Even Berbatov knows it himself with his body language after being questioned after the game.

3hn2givr7mx1sc · 09-01-2011 06:34PM

super_furry wrote: »

Huh? Agger didn't break the rules of the game or con the referee, why on earth should he be blamed for Berbatov cheating?

For giving a striker the opportunity to go down, it was a clumsy challenge that was no where near the ball and while the contact was very minimal, it was enough for him to go down. Ye're all beginning to sound extremely bitter and pathetic now, tbh.

NabyLadistheman · 09-01-2011 06:35PM

What about Martin Kelly? Maturity beyond his years, strong defensively. Pity he couldn't have picked out Meriles with the cut-back instead of Torres. Im getting seriously worried about him. Id say he'll be back to Spain in the summer. Massive improvement today. Im pee'd off but alot happier. Howard Webb, what can I say that hasn't already

Mr Magnolia · 09-01-2011 06:35PM

super_furry wrote: »

Huh? Agger didn't break the rules of the game or con the referee, why on earth should he be blamed for Berbatov cheating?

He should have known that berb (or a lot if strikers) would go down with any sort of contact and at OT it's going to be given. Its a shame but it's nothing new and he should have been a bit more clued in to it and ran him out wide.

citytillidie · 09-01-2011 06:36PM

Trilla wrote: »

Did agger foul berba? Yes

Did Gerrard go two footed in and was late on Carrick? Yes

:................:

Did Rafael jump in two footed and not get punished? Yes

Revolution9 · 09-01-2011 06:36PM

Pro. F wrote: »

Absolute nonsense.

Agger made a foolish challenge.

Berba dived.

The ref then had to make a very difficult call.

If you were the manager and you didn't give out to your players for making crap decisions like that then your team would give away a lot of penalties.

Foolish? He didn't foul anyone. He was conned by a cheat. As have been many good players, I don't think it makes them foolish.

super_furry wrote: »

Huh? Agger didn't break the rules of the game or con the referee, why on earth should he be blamed for Berbatov cheating?

argosy2006 · 09-01-2011 06:37PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ImOJPRnh5no

Only touch was a back massage

stumpypeeps · 09-01-2011 06:39PM

argosy2006 wrote: »

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ImOJPRnh5no

Only touch was a back massage

If anyone wants to tell me thats a penalty, they're off their tits.

dfx- · 09-01-2011 06:40PM

super_furry wrote: »

Is anyone even trying to argue that Berbatov didn't dive? There was no contact that would have caused him to fall, he took a dive in the penalty area, conned a referee that never needs any encouragement to give United a penalty and United are through.

Very good point. I don't understand why United fans feel the need to try to defend it. Berbatov dived, it decided a very poor game, it enabled them to "see out the game", what's wrong with admitting it wasn't a penalty.

flahavaj · 09-01-2011 06:41PM

argosy2006 wrote: »

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ImOJPRnh5no

Only touch was a back massage

Theres clear contact to the leg. I wouldn't have given it, but don't be making things up and then show a video that directly contradicts your statement.

3hn2givr7mx1sc · 09-01-2011 06:41PM

torresistheman wrote: »

What about Martin Kelly? Maturity beyond his years, strong defensively. Pity he couldn't have picked out Meriles with the cut-back instead of Torres. Im getting seriously worried about him. Id say he'll be back to Spain in the summer. Massive improvement today. Im pee'd off but alot happier. Howard Webb, what can I say that hasn't already

I was very impressed by Kelly today, actually, despite Giggs giving him the run around a few times.

Pro. F · 09-01-2011 06:41PM

super_furry wrote: »

Huh? Agger didn't break the rules of the game or con the referee, why on earth should he be blamed for Berbatov cheating?

The rules of the game can't actually be enforced properly when refs have to get by without video replays. From the ref's perspective, and in real time, it could well look like a penalty.

Also, the laws of the game aren't actually that tight for this type of minimal contact situation when you read them. Under the laws I would say Agger committed an offence but it could be argued all day.

Mental Mickey · 09-01-2011 06:42PM

stumpypeeps wrote: »

If anyone wants to tell me thats a penalty, they're off their tits.

Am not defending Webb, but remember, referees have to make decisions almost immediately!? Pundits etc, have the benefit of numerous replays.

Pro. F · 09-01-2011 06:43PM

argosy2006 wrote: »

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ImOJPRnh5no

Only touch was a back massage

You don't know the laws of the game.

(does the music in that video actually say ''touch'' just as he puts his hands on Berb? That's kinda cool.)

Revolution9 · 09-01-2011 06:45PM

KaiserGunner wrote: »

As a neutral observer of the match today, Howard Webb got one decision correct and one totally wrong. The sending off I agreed with as it was quite a reckless challenge.

But I cant believe anyone thinks that it should have been a penalty on the "challenge" on Berbatov. It was a blatant dive and he cheated. Was just as bad as the Eduardo one against Celtic in which everyone and their dog where up in arms about at the time. Even Berbatov knows it himself with his body language after being questioned after the game.

That was cringey. He couldn't have been less convincing.

BERBA · 09-01-2011 06:45PM

stumpypeeps wrote: »

If anyone wants to tell me thats a penalty, they're off their tits.

United gonna get penalties at OT whether they are or aren't spotters all day long. Refs feel under pressure to give em , Webb being the obvious example.

Pro. F · 09-01-2011 06:45PM

Revolution9 wrote: »

Foolish? He didn't foul anyone. He was conned by a cheat. As have been many good players, I don't think it makes them foolish.

You also don't know the laws of the game.

Revolution9 · 09-01-2011 06:47PM

Mental Mickey wrote: »

Am not defending Webb, but remember, referees have to make decisions almost immediately!? Pundits etc, have the benefit of numerous replays.

Webb had the benefit of a linesman, better positioned, who did not flag for a penalty.

lordgoat · 09-01-2011 06:48PM

The only dive in that match, was gerrard two footed on carrick.

how ever minimal contact there was, it was there. And yes it was a soft pen, but it was 100% a penalty.

Blatter · 09-01-2011 06:50PM

argosy2006 wrote: »

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ImOJPRnh5no

Only touch was a back massage

It's funny how that clip dosen't show the other angle where it clearly shows contact and confirms it's a clear penalty.

lordgoat · 09-01-2011 06:50PM

Revolution9 wrote: »

Webb had the benefit of a linesman, better positioned, who did not flag for a penalty.

The linesman didn't flag for gerrards tackle either but luckily Webb spotted that as well.

argosy2006 · 09-01-2011 06:52PM

flahavaj wrote: »

Theres clear contact to the leg. I wouldn't have given it, but don't be making things up and then show a video that directly contradicts your statement.

I dont see that contact, to me looks like agger thinks about going big,diving in to win ball, but he thinks twice and stamps his foot into ground instead ,at which point he lets berbatov past him,
he then extends his arms as not to run into back of berbatov, but hhe dives to ground,

thegen · 09-01-2011 06:52PM

Rio tweeting he did not ask Webb ti send Gerrard off merely pointing out he thought it was a two footed challenge. Classy Rio.

stumpypeeps · 09-01-2011 06:53PM

lordgoat wrote: »

The only dive in that match, was gerrard two footed on carrick.

how ever minimal contact there was, it was there. And yes it was a soft pen, but it was 100% a penalty.

By definition a soft pen is not a 100% pen. If you feel that a penalty then you obviously have never played football.

Ordinary man · 09-01-2011 06:54PM

Watch berbatovs left foot at 12 seconds into the video. Clear contact, minimal but clear.

Mental Mickey · 09-01-2011 06:54PM

thegen wrote: »

Rio tweeting he did not ask Webb ti send Gerrard off merely pointing out he thought it was a two footed challenge. Classy Rio.

The FA needs to ****ing enforce a complete ban on players using Social Networking sites.

stumpypeeps · 09-01-2011 06:56PM

Ordinary man wrote: »

Watch berbatovs left foot at 12 seconds into the video. Clear contact, minimal but clear.

A lot of united fans are embarrassing themselves in the extreme over this one.

lordgoat · 09-01-2011 06:57PM

stumpypeeps wrote: »

By definition a soft pen is not a 100% pen. If you feel that a penalty then you obviously have never played football.

No, it's was definitely a penalty. Did you not see Giggs scoring it?

And what i meant was, while Berb didn't try and stay on his feet, there was a clumsy tackle, there was contact, it was a foul, he could probably have tried to stay on his feet, he didn't. It was a pen.

And i've played soccer for about 20 years at this stage, i learned to stop making stupid tackles in the box and stay on my feet about 10 years ago.

I also know when to blame a player for putting in a stupid tackle, getting sent off and costing his team the game rather than look for an easy way out.

flahavaj · 09-01-2011 06:57PM

argosy2006 wrote: »

I dont see that contact, to me looks like agger thinks about going big,diving in to win ball, but he thinks twice and stamps his foot into ground instead ,at which point he lets berbatov past him,
he then extends his arms as not to run into back of berbatov, but hhe dives to ground,

Their legs touch at 15 seconds. I wouldn't have given it but I have a particular bee in my bonnet about these things and I tend to favour defenders a lot in these matters so i'm probably not the best man to ask. But I can see why the ref would have given it based on that.

As others have said the contact is far more clear from other angles, buttypically we're given the most onscure angle that suits that posters' club's point of view.

Ordinary man · 09-01-2011 06:57PM

thegen wrote: »

Rio tweeting he did not ask Webb ti send Gerrard off merely pointing out he thought it was a two footed challenge. Classy Rio.

What about kuyt waving imaginary cards earlier, where's his class? What about the games where reina runs the lenght of the pitch to get cards for players?

FA CUP 3rd Round: Manchester Utd v Liverpool (Match Thread) Mod Warning #214 - READ!

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