FA CUP 3rd Round: Manchester Utd v Liverpool (Match Thread) Mod Warning #214 - READ!

DOC09UNAM

Revolution9 wrote: »

He has a habit of crumbling to the will of the home crowd.

And because there is a character nicknamed that in a rather good book I read recently called Skippy Dies.

But mostly because the crumbling to the home crowd thingy.

Again, as I said, if he was crumbling to the home crowd, why not give the stonewall penalty?

Revolution9

baz2009 wrote: »

That is showing emotion. Posting an idiotic photoshop is not showing emotion.

Anger and frustration are emotions. Which I imagine is what Babel is feeling. The wrong emotions for the right reasons. Still shows he gives a damn, no matter how foolish he was.

Pro. F

argosy2006 wrote: »

couple more angles

Yes and it's still a penalty.

It was also a dive from Berbatov but the two aren't mutually exclusive in practice.

flahavaj

argosy2006 wrote: »

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2HyzPw8sII8

couple more angles

You're trying to convince someone who wouldn't have given it anyway mate. The fact that you're having to forensically examine it from so many angles only proves that Webb should be excluded from criticism from a making a realtime decision on such a debateable challenge.

thegen

flahavaj wrote: »

Telling the referee what was blatantly obvious to every single person who wathed the game - that Gerrard had made a two footed challenge - is hardly going to influence his decision is it?

if he's ben waving imaginary cards or something you might have a point. But as it stands all he's guilty fo doing is stating the obvious.

You'll have to try harder mate - and not being a Liverpool fan doesn't preclude you from bitterness. Have a look at Bluemoon for a start.;)

You missed my point mate, I was not talking about the fact that he talked with Webb, but the fact that he is posting the fact on twitter. BTW I'm a QPR fan!!!!!!

citytillidie

DOC09UNAM wrote: »

Again, as I said, if he was crumbling to the home crowd, why not give the stonewall penalty?

Again i will ask what stonewall penalty in the 2nd half?

noodler

citytillidie wrote: »

Again i will ask what stonewall penalty in the 2nd half?

Which one was that?

Howard can hardly complain, he has made error after error at Old Trafford over the years

flahavaj

thegen wrote: »

You mossed my point mate, I was not talking about the fact that he talked with Webb, but the fact that he is posting the fact on twitter. BTW I'm a QPR fan!!!!!!

Well as I said eralier, I'd ban all my players from twitter given the chance. I'm surprised Fergie hasn't already tbh.

citytillidie

noodler wrote: »

Which one was that?

Howard can hardly complain, he has made error after error at Old Trafford over the years

Thats what i am trying to find out too, what stonewaller they are talking about

Revolution9

DOC09UNAM wrote: »

Again, as I said, if he was crumbling to the home crowd, why not give the stonewall penalty?

Because he already gave one penalty and a red card in United's favour. His refusal to award another is cowardly, although more to avoid added controversary.

I call him a coward not just down to one match. Also when Masche fouled Valencia outside the box and he gave a penalty. Gomes against Carrick. Ronaldo sent off for the handball and back talk at Eastlands. And so on. He's a rubbish referee. Prides himself on being a disciplinarian yet he constantly takes foul mouthed abuse from players and doesn't penalise them, yet he did so with Ronaldo a few years ago.

The Muppet

argosy2006 wrote: »

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2HyzPw8sII8

couple more angles

There's obviously a little confusion about whats a dive and whats going down under contact. One is cheating and one is not. To clarify the difference heres a good example of a dive , notice zero contact in this example opposed to berbatov's incident today.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vpYyfrP84BI

lordgoat

Revolution9 wrote: »

Because he already gave one penalty and a red card in United's favour. His refusal to award another is cowardly, although more to avoid added controversary.

I call him a coward not just down to one match. Also when Masche fouled Valencia outside the box and he gave a penalty. Gomes against Carrick. Ronaldo sent off for the handball and back talk at Eastlands. And so on. He's a rubbish referee. Prides himself on being a disciplinarian yet he constantly takes foul mouthed abuse from players and doesn't penalise them, yet he did so with Ronaldo a few years ago.

But none of them are examples of cowardice.

thegen

The Muppet wrote: »

There's obviously a little confusion about whats a dive and whats going down under contact. One is cheating and one is not. To clarify the difference heres a good example of a dive , notice zero contact in this example opposed to berbatov's incident today.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vpYyfrP84BI

Both dives to me. Both cheats in those clips.

noodler

The Muppet wrote: »

There's obviously a little confusion about whats a dive and whats going down under contact. One is cheating and one is not. To clarify the difference heres a good example of a dive , notice zero contact in this example opposed to berbatov's incident today.

No, nice try.

Both dives.

Ordinary man

noodler wrote: »

Which one was that?

Howard can hardly complain, he has made error after error at Old Trafford over the years

I'd say it was the one where evans was dragged to the ground in the pool area.(let me guess- you didn't see it)

flahavaj

lordgoat wrote: »

But none of them are examples of cowardice.

Agreed. Poor judgement, perhaps. Cowardice, no.

BERBA

The Muppet wrote: »

There's obviously a little confusion about whats a dive and whats going down under contact. One is cheating and one is not. To clarify the difference heres a good example of a dive , notice zero contact in this example opposed to berbatov's incident today.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vpYyfrP84BI

you should have been a referee muppet;)

noodler

Ordinary man wrote: »

I'd say it was the one where evans was dragged to the ground in the pool area.(let me guess- you didn't see it)

I thought there was a bit of both going on in that incident.

I agree its a foul anywhere outside the box - Ref's don't seem to give them inside though.

Mr.Nice Guy

All of the videos show Berbatov being clipped. What is the purpose of repeating it ad nauseum other than to show Daniel Agger shouldn't have stuck his leg out?

If it's not Hodgson's fault it's a referee. If only Liverpool didn't have all these people out to get them they'd be the most successful team on the planet.

DOC09UNAM

Ordinary man wrote: »

I'd say it was the one where evans was dragged to the ground in the pool area.(let me guess- you didn't see it)

Course they didn't!


Question here, when was the last time Man United beat Liverpool and the opposition fans weren't whinging or crying about a referee/tackle or something to that effect?

Sorest fúcking losers I've come across in a while.

Only some of them though, I know the ones who accept defeat gracefully at this stage.

flahavaj

At least The Muppets finds good examples in clear HD and using the most appropriate angle, instead of getting blurred images from angles that suit only his side of the argument. Thank God at least some posters can be objective and post with integrity. Good job sir.

flahavaj

Mr.Nice Guy wrote: »

All of the videos show Berbatov being clipped. What is the purpose of repeating it ad nauseum other than to show Daniel Agger shouldn't have stuck his leg out?

If it's not Hodgson's fault it's a referee. If only Liverpool didn't have all these people out to get them they'd be the most successful team on the planet.

I'm convinced they hand out tin foil hats on the Kop or something.

But don't take my word for it.

See parables 4, 5, 7, 12, 31, 33, 36.




Its always someone else's fault.:)

citytillidie

DOC09UNAM wrote: »

Course they didn't!


Question here, when was the last time Man United beat Liverpool and the opposition fans weren't whinging or crying about a referee/tackle or something to that effect?

Sorest fúcking losers I've come across in a while.

Only some of them though, I know the ones who accept defeat gracefully at this stage.

I did see and if you read back i already commented on how it goes on alot in games and is not punished by the refs.

I would like it to be punished by the refs as it would cut it out of the game

noodler

flahavaj wrote: »

At least The Muppets finds good examples in clear HD and using the most appropriate angle, instead of getting blurred images from angles that suit only his side of the argument. Thank God at least some posters can be objective and post with integrity. Good job sir.

Ahahaha.

Best laugh I have had all day.

The Muppet

flahavaj wrote: »

At least The Muppets finds good examples in clear HD and using the most appropriate angle, instead of getting blurred images from angles that suit only his side of the argument. Thank God at least some posters can be objective and post with integrity. Good job sir.

That's me a bastion of objectivity and integrity.

Thank You.

Handsome Bob

LZ5by5 wrote: »

Won't get into Webb's decisions, all I'll say is that we were playing infinitely better ball before the red than we ever did under Roy. Whatever happens in the next 45 mins, I've seen enough to have confidence in Kenny.

This is what I said at HT, my opinion hasn't changed.

Otis Driftwood

At this stage its pointless arguing as its just going round in circles.

Liverpool fans - Berba dived,cheat.

United fans - Contact made,clear penalty.

Meh.

As a United fan its always nice to beat Liverpool.

If I was a Liverpool fan Id be happy that they showed a spark that has been lacking over the last few months and particularly with the performance of the boy Kelly,he looks a great prospect.

As much as I may dislike LFC,as a football fan Id like to see them get back to playing better and being more of a force(just not too much ).I dont think any United fan could deny that the league is more fun when they are nipping at our heels.

Devil08

Liverpool fans disappoint me really. And after seeing Ryan Babels carry on the Liverpool players have hit a new low too.
The abuse the referee has been getting is absolutley crazy. You should be blaming Steven Gerrard for his shocking tackle and for letting his team and fans down. But no, this man can do no wrong!! You should also be blaming Torres and every other excuse of a player on that team who has repeatedly given half hearted performances all season.
The only player you should be proud of is Pepe Reina, as without him today you would have finished the game 4 or 5 down.
The penalty could have went either way. It was given. They get given some weeks, other weeks they dont. Get over it. Maybe Liverpool could have been given a penalty themselves if they actually made it into the Utd box? Maybe you should be looking at the severe lack of opportunities you created. We outplayed you for the majority of the game, peppered your goal on numerious occasions and should have put the game to bed early on.
It seems Liverpool have run out of excuses and the ref is the easy target. The club, players, and fans really need to look deeper if they are ever to get out of the mess they are in.
As for Utd, its onwards and upwards! The future is looking bright! and still in 3rd gear apparentley!!!!

blueshed

Just seen on SSN that there going to replay the game.
something about a wrong decision against Liverpool.

flahavaj

The Muppet wrote: »

That's me a bastion of objectivity and integrity.

Thank You.

Kepp it going lad. Men like you keep this place real.