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US Congresswoman Gabrielle Giffords shot (other persons killed or injured)

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  • #122
    troposphere
    Users Awaiting Email Confirmation Posts: 174 ✭✭troposphere


    9 year old confirmed dead
    federal judge confirmed dead


  • #123
    amacachi
    Closed Accounts Posts: 23,315 ✭✭✭✭amacachi


    Shea O'Meara wrote: »
    Facts so far:

    Giving a 'congress in your corner' speak outside a Safeway store. About 30 people there. Guy shot her through the side of the head, also injured anywhere from 7 to 14 onlookers, some deaths possible, no confirmation.
    She is alive, out of sugery and the surgeon said it would be at least 24hrs before he can tell how her recovery will go.

    Want to add some more facts there? Judge is dead, 9 year old girl is dead and three others are dead.


  • #124
    kaiser sauze
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,558 ✭✭✭kaiser sauze


    white1awake wrote: »
    It doesn't get more specific than someones actual lived life.



    Gee, ya don't say? I guess only a genius like yerself can comprehend why you mention crosshairs on a thread where a mass-shooting has just taken place.


    Now run along and save your Sarah-Hate for another day, in case you havn't noticed there are more important issues at hand.

    You have no specifics.


  • #125
    Mjollnir
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 888 ✭✭✭Mjollnir


    white1awake wrote: »
    You have no clue as to wether or not this nut is a leftist or a rightwinger--!

    You think being in the military means he is automatically on the right?
    No way, look at Bradley Manning.

    I see the Communist Manifesto is listed as one of his fav books ......:rolleyes:

    He also lists Mein Kampf.

    You seem relevancy-challenged.


  • #126
    Shea O'Meara
    Closed Accounts Posts: 960 ✭✭✭Shea O'Meara


    amacachi wrote: »
    Want to add some more facts there? Judge is dead, 9 year old girl is dead and three others are dead.

    People were posting she was dead. Officially no other 100% details. Different news sources are saying varying things. Just trying to add to the thread, no need to be a smart arse;)


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  • #127
    kaiser sauze
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,558 ✭✭✭kaiser sauze


    karma_ wrote: »
    Sarah Palin appear intelligent? are we all talking about the same Sarah Palin, the bona fide idiot one?

    Yep, that idiot.
    karma_ wrote: »
    You do realise that is a piss-take yeah?

    I wonder if they do.
    amacachi wrote: »
    The right are trying to blame the left for this? LOL.

    Give them a chance....Kim Jong-Il is next in line for blame once the run out of US left-wing groups.


  • #128
    Lab_Mouse
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,219 ✭✭✭Lab_Mouse


    kaiser sauze wrote: »
    On a side note, it is amazing how an almost new account sprouts up to try and deflect us from calling this for what it is.

    and not only that but he's breaking wheaton's law!!!


  • #129
    troposphere
    Users Awaiting Email Confirmation Posts: 174 ✭✭troposphere


    I heard the doctor press conference and he confirmed 9 year old had died and then Obama in his statement made reference to the 9 year old and federal judge had died.

    Not trying to be smart ass, just putting it out there.


  • #130
    steelcityblues
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,630 ✭✭✭steelcityblues


    Mjollnir wrote: »
    He also lists Mein Kampf.

    You seem relevancy-challenged.

    Hitler was a fascist - not either a typical left or right wing politician.

    Again, we don't have a real clue as to what his political motivations are at this time.


  • #131
    mgmt
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,361 ✭✭✭mgmt


    amacachi wrote: »
    Want to add some more facts there? Judge is dead, 9 year old girl is dead and three others are dead.

    Federal Judge = Death Penalty guaranteed

    Here he is burning the US flag:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3L1lsLU-kUw


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  • #132
    karma_
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 6,798 ✭✭✭karma_


    white1awake wrote: »
    Ah yes, another 'genius' from the shamed Island of broke beggars chimes in with his opinion on a woman with a long term happy marriage, a woman not too proud to say she is a Christian, a woman who doesn't kill her own children in the womb despite the 'inconvenience' it might cause her, a woman who made over 12 million dollars last year, a woman who looks better at age 46 and after giving birth to 5 kids than 70% of the women here........yeah, what an 'idiot'.
    Like I said, it would do a lot of people here well to try a little humble pie and see where the values of someone like Sarah Palin might lead them to a better way of life.
    But since that would require you giving up your love of liberalism, we can pretty much forget it.

    I'm scratching my head and wondering just what the fúck 90% of this post has to do with anything. Basically you're saying she is a bit of a MILF, rich, believes in a mythical being and is married, whoop-de-fu-cking-do.


  • #133
    white1awake
    Closed Accounts Posts: 43 ✭white1awake


    He also lists Mein Kampf.


    Hitler the National Socialist you mean? Hero of Leftys the world over?


    I only mentioned his book choices since self-proclaimed 'intelligent' tough guy Kaizer listed his video as some kind of evidence of this being a 'right-winger'.
    You seem relevancy-challenged

    Yeah, specially with the eye-roll :rolleyes:


    You seem sarcasm challenged.


  • #134
    MagicMarker
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 32,865 ✭✭✭✭MagicMarker


    mgmt wrote: »
    Federal Judge = Death Penalty guaranteed

    Here he is burning the US flag:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3L1lsLU-kUw
    That's not him.


  • #135
    Pygmalion
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,082 ✭✭✭Pygmalion


    white1awake wrote: »
    Hitler the National Socialist you mean? Hero of Leftys the world over?

    Have to admit, I lol'd hard at this.


  • #136
    mgmt
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,361 ✭✭✭mgmt


    MagicMarker wrote: »
    That's not him.

    This is his youtube site
    http://www.youtube.com/user/Classitup10

    That video is his only favourite

    If you look at the tags on that video, some of them are "tucson" "arrizona". A good guess would be that it is his video, just on his other account.


  • #137
    GuanYin
    Closed Accounts Posts: 15,552 ✭✭✭✭GuanYin


    MOD
    Guys, lets stop the personal comments.


  • #138
    white1awake
    Closed Accounts Posts: 43 ✭white1awake


    I see the Communist Manifesto is listed as one of his fav books ......rolleyes.gif
    I know yer listed as being from LA, but I am hopeful that even you can see that was sarcasm?


  • #139
    Lab_Mouse
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,219 ✭✭✭Lab_Mouse


    white1awake wrote: »
    Anyways, I am getting 'notifications' that some of you crybabies are complaining about me

    dont flatter yourself,they just dont tolerate amateur troll's


  • #140
    mgmt
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,361 ✭✭✭mgmt


    http://twitter.com/caitieparker


  • #141
    cavedave
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,164 ✭✭✭cavedave


    mgmt

    Yeah thats what I thought. He is just out to mind**** people.

    Legal insanity has a very strict definition. Its not something you can diagnose over youtube.

    We use mental illness as a label to people who we want to marginalise and ignore. If he is just mental we can ignore him. If however he is legally sane it means we can ignore them. For example the unabomber is claimed to be insane because he refuses to claim he is insane to get out of the death penalty. Yet if you read his manifesto its not really the ramblings of a madman as far as I can tell. And other like Kevin Kelly agree that his analysis is clear. So Theodore Kaczynski's manifesto is not just insane ramblings. Even though I dont agree with it and even if his methods of violence are abhorrent.


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  • #142
    white1awake
    Closed Accounts Posts: 43 ✭white1awake


    they just dont tolerate amateur troll's

    Oh I see, only the full-time professional trolls with bad grammar get a pass?


  • #143
    GuanYin
    Closed Accounts Posts: 15,552 ✭✭✭✭GuanYin


    I think it's a bit too early to start pointing fingers in what led the shooter to action.

    Yes, the tea party and specifically Palin use language that is irresponsible to rile up their followers, but generally, the type of person who shoots into a crowd of people needs very little encouragement and will always find a reason.

    I'm a bit sad that so much focus has shifted to Palin, as it give her an opportunity for PR. We also have to reconcile the fact that we can't label Palin as a hick idiot and then simultaneously paint her as a mastermind behind an assassination (which is something the liberal blogsphere is busy doing).

    Either she's dumb and the rhetoric she uses is because she's dumb and she really believes it does no harm OR she's very smart and is playing on the fanaticism of her followers to get results. Can't have it both ways.

    In reality, I think she's just irresponsible and plays the "win at all costs" politics that has dominated US and world politics for too long.

    In any case, I'm just happy that Giffords looks like she'll pull through. The fallout from this may not be pretty though.

    Thoughts and condolences to the families of those lost in the tragic act.


  • #144
    kaiser sauze
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,558 ✭✭✭kaiser sauze


    Sand wrote: »
    I think people are a tad disturbed by the hysteria whipped up by media and political celebrities for political ends, on both the right and the left.

    OK, I accept the groups you list here.

    You make no reference to The Tea Party or Republicans here, that is where you are either not a watcher of US politics, and therefore ill-informed, or you are trying to give them a pass for the hate-speech that they have been taking part in for the last several years in particular.
    Sand wrote: »
    The gunman may have been a victim of a hysteria which doesnt look at the finer details but simply calls for their political opponents to be targeted and demonised.

    Agreed.

    The problem is that the right, and the groups you listed earlier, are failing to choose their words carefully for those that have an IQ less than 50.
    Sand wrote: »
    Maybe if he had a chance to sit down and talk through the issues with Gifford, hed have reached the same conclusion as yourself that Giffords politics were more considered than her enemies might have believed.

    Possibly, but when you have been whipped into a frenzy, and have the IQ I referred to above, logic is a luxury.
    Sand wrote: »
    Sarah Palin will probably be embarrassed by the hitlist which includes Griffords name.

    And so she fúcking should be.
    Sand wrote: »
    Its probably clear Sarah Palin wasnt literally calling for someone to go out there and murder those on the list

    Absolutely, but this brings me back to being careful with your words as there are people who are ill-positioned to act rationally on your words.
    Sand wrote: »
    - ironically, Palin is also targeted herself by a hate campaign.

    Is she targeted by gun wielding hicks? Please point one out to me.
    Sand wrote: »
    But she was happy to trade on the militant and aggressive tones, the targeting of individual political figures as enemies rather than discussing issues.

    When you have a dumbed down base, issues are not important.
    Sand wrote: »
    Hopefully the aggressive hysteria will be toned down by responsible groups and politicians who recognise that even if they dont intend for someone to go out there and murder their political opponents, some fringe lunatics might be easily influenced.

    Yea, lets hope that the right tone it down.
    Sand wrote: »
    Palin will get a lot of stick about this, deserved too, but it sounds like a broader issue.

    Indeed.
    Sand wrote: »
    Of course, the gunmans target might not have been Gifford at all - it might have been any one of the other individuals there. Or the reasons might be totally personal.

    I hold little hope of this.


  • #145
    kaiser sauze
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,558 ✭✭✭kaiser sauze


    GuanYin wrote: »
    Either she's dumb and the rhetoric she uses is because she's dumb and she really believes it does no harm OR she's very smart and is playing on the fanaticism of her followers to get results. Can't have it both ways.

    Neither.

    "She's very smart dumb and is being played by her handlers and is who are playing on the fanaticism of her followers to get results."
    GuanYin wrote: »
    In any case, I'm just happy that Giffords looks like she'll pull through. The fallout from this may not be pretty though.

    The fallout from this needs to be messy.

    Things have to change.


  • #146
    mgmt
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,361 ✭✭✭mgmt


    GuanYin wrote: »
    I think it's a bit too early to start pointing fingers in what led the shooter to action.

    Yes, the tea party and specifically Palin use language that is irresponsible to rile up their followers, but generally, the type of person who shoots into a crowd of people needs very little encouragement and will always find a reason.

    I'm a bit sad that so much focus has shifted to Palin, as it give her an opportunity for PR. We also have to reconcile the fact that we can't label Palin as a hick idiot and then simultaneously paint her as a mastermind behind an assassination (which is something the liberal blogsphere is busy doing).

    Either she's dumb and the rhetoric she uses is because she's dumb and she really believes it does no harm OR she's very smart and is playing on the fanaticism of her followers to get results. Can't have it both ways.

    In reality, I think she's just irresponsible and plays the "win at all costs" politics that has dominated US and world politics for too long.

    In any case, I'm just happy that Giffords looks like she'll pull through. The fallout from this may not be pretty though.

    Thoughts and condolences to the families of those lost in the tragic act.

    I guess placing targets on politicians is not a smart idea (also shooting a M16 clip at Rep Gabrielle at the gun range), but placing the blame onto Palin over the actions of a madman is a stretch.


  • #147
    Stheno
    Moderators, Business & Finance Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 51,690 Mod ✭✭✭✭Stheno


    kaiser sauze wrote: »
    Give them a chance....Kim Jong-Il is next in line for blame once the run out of US left-wing groups.

    Bad choice of dictator given one of Palin's most recent gaffes :)

    http://www.mediaite.com/online/sarah-palin-confuses-whos-on-our-side-in-northsouth-korea/
    mgmt wrote: »
    I guess placing targets on politicians is not a smart idea (also shooting a M16 clip at Rep Gabrielle at the gun range), but placing the blame onto Palin over the actions of a madman is a stretch.

    Agreed, but with the tender state of politics in the US and the small margin Giffords won by, one can see how the argument can be extrapolated.


  • #148
    Einhard
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,920 ✭✭✭Einhard


    white1awake wrote: »
    What a disgusting comment 'einhard'.
    What is your position going to be if it is a rabid leftist moonbat, or better yet, an illegal alien?


    I pray Giffords survives this terrible attack no matter who did it.

    The operative word was "if". I'm not making any assumptions about the motivation or the ideology of the attacker. However, the inflammatory rhetoric of the Tea Party and the more right wing Conservative groups have already lead to threats against Democratic representatives, and attacks on their homes and offices, so it's not unreasonable to raise that as an issue.
    feicim wrote: »
    I condemn this attack.

    However I can't say that I'm surprised.

    People are disenfranchised from the political system, and politicians appear unnacountable to anybody but themselves.

    Is it any wonder that someone (wrongly) took the law into their own hands?

    Yes, it is a wonder. There should be absolutely no recourse to violence and murder in a democratic society.
    sligopark wrote: »
    Why shouldn't there be more forceful expression when the likes of which has occurred in Ireland?

    Because utilising violence to pursue political aims is terrorism, and you really should know better than to advocate such a thing, especially on a thread concerning the attempted murder of a politician for holding a different opinion to her assailant.


  • #149
    kaiser sauze
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,558 ✭✭✭kaiser sauze


    amacachi wrote: »
    I have one of them on the way, afraid to buy Mein Kampf because I'd rather not turn up on any CIA lists. :pac: He's just missing Atlas Shrugged on that list to complete the clusterfcuk.

    Mein Kampf is a fascinating read; Atlas Shrugged, not so much.
    mgmt wrote: »
    http://twitter.com/caitieparker

    Is she a friend of the suspect?


  • #150
    Stheno
    Moderators, Business & Finance Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 51,690 Mod ✭✭✭✭Stheno


    The latest is that she will recover (the extent of recovery is unknown until tomorrow)

    Am glad for her, but very sad for the parents of the nine year old and the others who were killed.


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  • #151
    kaiser sauze
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,558 ✭✭✭kaiser sauze


    Classy.


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