China flexes military might

bobblepuzzle · 08-01-2011 06:12PM #1

Source: http://edition.cnn.com/2011/WORLD/asiapcf/01/07/china.military/index.html

Beijing (CNN) -- A jet fighter points up to the sky, a row of missiles line a walkway and revolutionary films are on constant rotation at China's aviation museum on the outskirts of the capital, Beijing.

Occupying pride of place here: the bomber which deployed China's first nuclear bomb.

These are the relics of the Asian giant's military past, but it is also a nod to the might worthy of an emerging superpower.

A red jet fighter catches my eye amid the Chairman Mao paintings: it is the MiG-15 credited with China's first victory in the sky, shooting down an enemy aircraft over the skies of Korea in 1950.

Now, the world's attention is focused on a new Chinese jet fighter, the J-20. Pictures of the radar-evading stealth plane have appeared in recent days, carrying out runway tests. It is the latest addition to China's growing military arsenal.

Read more @ http://edition.cnn.com/2011/WORLD/asiapcf/01/07/china.military/index.html

Considering China is emerging as the next great superpower, would you be concerned about its potential dominance in the world? China insists its arms are defensive in nature... would you trust them?

Victor McDade · 08-01-2011 06:16PM

bobblepuzzle wrote: »

Considering China is emerging as the next great superpower, would you be concerned about its potential dominance in the world?

Nope. More worried about that crazy bastard next door to them

Ghandee · 08-01-2011 06:26PM

The Chinese, a great bunch of lads!

weldoninhio · 08-01-2011 07:09PM

At the rate they are buying up European debt they won't need to invade, they'll already own us.

OctavarIan · 08-01-2011 07:17PM

Didn't we already have a ridiculous war thread recently?

Would I trust China? No, but I don't need to, because anyone with a score of functioning brain cells could work out the reasons why it would be self-defeating of China to militarily attack the rest of the world. Jesus ****ing Christ.

The_B_Man · 08-01-2011 07:20PM

Well would you rather the US holding all the nukes and waving it over everyones heads, or the Chinese holding all the nukes and doing the same?

The only difference is that the Chinese might not stick their noses in as much of their neighbours wars!

Sunnyisland · 08-01-2011 07:21PM

Considering China is emerging as the next great superpower, would you be concerned about its potential dominance in the world? China insists its arms are defensive in nature... would you trust them?
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There is a chinese takeaway in every town & village in Ireland ,how can we trust them.

Ghandee · 08-01-2011 07:24PM

I remember being in a pub in town one day, when a wee Chinese man came strolling in with a parrot perched on his shoulder.

The bar man looked up, studied the sight in front of him, and then asked in a rather surprised voice ' holy fook!, where did you get that thing from?'

The parrot then let out an ear piercing squak!..................

And said, ' China, theres fcukin BILLIONS of em!'

Son Of A Vidic · 08-01-2011 07:25PM

Unlike the Yanks, the Chinese have thousands of years of culture and history and therefore have a bit more maturity in international matters. The Yanks however, have been throwing their weight around for far long in the playground. The emergence of China will act as a nice counter balance to the american empire, and will thankfully lead to it's demise.

Pyr0 · 08-01-2011 07:36PM

Corvus Maximus wrote: »

Unlike the Yanks, the Chinese have thousands of years of culture and history and therefore have a bit more maturity in international matters. The Yanks however, have been throwing their weight around for far long in the playground. The emergence of China will act as a nice counter balance to the american empire, and will thankfully lead to it's demise.

And then we have a new bully in the playground, China.

Smart idea.

Sunnyisland · 08-01-2011 07:37PM

The_B_Man wrote: »

Well would you rather the US holding all the nukes and waving it over everyone's heads, or the Chinese holding all the nukes and doing the same?

The only difference is that the Chinese might not stick their noses in as much of their neighbours wars!

Yes they certainly would not annex there neighbours as in mongolia,tibet,and repeatedly threaten a small island of there coast, taiwan.They also certainly would not restrict tv/press/religious/web freedom,We wont even go into the tarmanan square day massacres that they said never happened... yep china is a great country least we forget.

RichieC · 08-01-2011 07:40PM

Pyr0 wrote: »

And then we have a new bully in the playground, China.

Smart idea.

Americas military gaze has never really fallen here so it's easy to think the world is great with them as the lead power. the majority of our planet will be glad to see a counter balance and frankly, so will I.

Sunnyisland · 08-01-2011 07:41PM

Corvus Maximus wrote: »

Unlike the Yanks, the Chinese have thousands of years of culture and history and therefore have a bit more maturity in international matters. The Yanks however, have been throwing their weight around for far long in the playground. The emergence of China will act as a nice counter balance to the american empire, and will thankfully lead to it's demise.

You got to be kidding me,china would/will be as bad as any other country that can.I would rather live the american way of life than a chinese way.

ejmaztec · 08-01-2011 07:43PM

I'll have a number 73 and a number 58 with extra prawns please.

Son Of A Vidic · 08-01-2011 08:04PM

Pyr0 wrote: »

And then we have a new bully in the playground, China.

Smart idea.

Idea?

It's not an idea, it's an impending reality. That you'll just have to learn to deal with then. China is unique, because over two thousand years ago it built a great wall to keep everyone out. It's a pity today's immature 'superpower' wouldn't follow the same policy.

Carl Sagan · 08-01-2011 08:07PM

They must be doing something right to be the next superpower. Suppose I could get used to their way of life.

Son Of A Vidic · 08-01-2011 08:08PM

realies wrote: »

You got to be kidding me,china would/will be as bad as any other country that can.I would rather live the american way of life than a chinese way.

Who's talking about a way of life here? Fcuk, China's has the worlds biggest market economy. The 'american way of life' you speak of by the way, is largely funded through Chinese loans.

bobblepuzzle · 08-01-2011 08:10PM

Corvus Maximus wrote: »

Who's talking about a way of life here? Fcuk, China's has the worlds biggest market economy. The 'american way of life' you speak of by the way, is largely funded through Chinese loans.

Its also a communist regime with little regard for civil liberties if the government is in the least bit threathened by it's own people (never mind anyone else)

Trigger76 · 08-01-2011 08:11PM

Corvus Maximus wrote: »

Who's talking about a way of life here? Fcuk, China's has the worlds biggest market economy. The 'american way of life' you speak of by the way, is largely funded through Chinese loans.

...and chicken balls , you forgot chicken balls.

bobblepuzzle · 08-01-2011 08:14PM

Corvus Maximus wrote: »

Who's talking about a way of life here? Fcuk, China's has the worlds biggest market economy. The 'american way of life' you speak of by the way, is largely funded through Chinese loans.

I should point out that this thread is about China, if you want to talk anti-american rhetoric, start a new thread....

Sunnyisland · 08-01-2011 08:19PM

Corvus Maximus wrote: »

Who's talking about a way of life here? Fcuk, China's has the worlds biggest market economy. The 'american way of life' you speak of by the way, is largely funded through Chinese loans.

Market economy will forever be changing and for now it is china, who is after them India ? Brazil ?As for The american way of life, it is the american way of life and has been there long before china came on the scene and will be there after this pans out, IMO sometimes USA foreign policy blinds people to the good that has come from that country.

bobblepuzzle · 08-01-2011 08:22PM

Ah let him be... he's probably never been out of Sligo :P

af_thefragile · 08-01-2011 08:22PM

bobblepuzzle wrote: »

Its also a communist regime with little regard for civil liberties if the government is in the least bit threathened by it's own people (never mind anyone else)

There's no such thing as a commie regime anymore.
China is no more commie than US and neither is US more democratic than china!

In china if you do something the state doesn't approve of you disappear off to god knows where. In US if you do something the state doesn't approve off, you disappear off to Guantanamo Bay, which is not a happy place in the least!

Sure if you're a white person in US, you won't notice anything. But just take a walk down the ghettos of Harlem, San Jose etc. Why are US prisons filled with blacks, latin americans and other minorities??
And then what about traveling through airports where they do random checks at airports and you have to walk through body scanners, they trace your calls, your mails and everything, their media is just a massive propaganda machine.

The whole "american way of life" is just a sham. US is no better than China. Its only because they speak the same language as us, we understand what's happening in US better than what's going on in China.

Infact I'll prefer China as a superpower rather than US because it won't go interfering in other countries matters.

bobblepuzzle · 08-01-2011 08:25PM

af_thefragile wrote: »

There's no such thing as a commie regime anymore.
China is no more commie than US and neither is US more democratic than china!

In china if you do something the state doesn't approve of you disappear off to god knows where. In US if you do something the state doesn't approve off, you disappear off to Guantanamo Bay, which is not a happy place in the least!

Sure if you're a white person in US, you won't notice anything. But just take a walk down the ghettos of Harlem, San Jose etc. Why are US prisons filled with blacks, latin americans and other minorities??
And then what about traveling through airports where they do random checks at airports and you have to walk through body scanners, they trace your calls, your mails and everything, their media is just a massive propaganda machine.

The whole "american way of life" is just a sham. US is no better than China. Its only because they speak the same language as us, we understand what's happening in US better than what's going on in China.

Infact I'll prefer China as a superpower rather than US because it won't go interfering in other countries matters.

Mark my words, you can be 100% GAURANTEED China will interfere with it's neighbours and further afield.... this is what superpowers do...

enfant terrible · 08-01-2011 08:34PM

af_thefragile wrote: »

There's no such thing as a commie regime anymore.
China is no more commie than US and neither is US more democratic than china!

In china if you do something the state doesn't approve of you disappear off to god knows where. In US if you do something the state doesn't approve off, you disappear off to Guantanamo Bay, which is not a happy place in the least!

Sure if you're a white person in US, you won't notice anything. But just take a walk down the ghettos of Harlem, San Jose etc. Why are US prisons filled with blacks, latin americans and other minorities??
And then what about traveling through airports where they do random checks at airports and you have to walk through body scanners, they trace your calls, your mails and everything, their media is just a massive propaganda machine.

The whole "american way of life" is just a sham. US is no better than China. Its only because they speak the same language as us, we understand what's happening in US better than what's going on in China.

Infact I'll prefer China as a superpower rather than US because it won't go interfering in other countries matters.

Can you get HBO if your a Chinese peasant?

yoshytoshy · 08-01-2011 08:35PM

I'd be more concerned if china started to become a western country and the cities started to crawl into the rural areas ,thats when the worries start.

PK2008 · 08-01-2011 08:37PM

af_thefragile wrote: »

There's no such thing as a commie regime anymore.
China is no more commie than US and neither is US more democratic than china!

I'm pretty sure China is a communist state

bobblepuzzle · 08-01-2011 08:38PM

af_thefragile wrote: »

There's no such thing as a commie regime anymore.

Yes there is... China

China is no more commie than US and neither is US more democratic than china!

Yes it is, thats why it's a communist regime and the US is a democratic constitutional Republic

In china if you do something the state doesn't approve of you disappear off to god knows where. In US if you do something the state doesn't approve off, you disappear off to Guantanamo Bay, which is not a happy place in the least!

Remind us again who ended up in Guantanamo Bay?

Sure if you're a white person in US, you won't notice anything. But just take a walk down the ghettos of Harlem, San Jose etc. Why are US prisons filled with blacks, latin americans and other minorities??

While this may be true, could please provide your source for this?

And then what about traveling through airports where they do random checks at airports and you have to walk through body scanners

Have you forgotten the 9/11? The attempted shoe bombing? Attempted detonation of numerous cargo planes syncronised?... They have to protect themselves from these threaths.

they trace your calls, your mails and everything

Who's calls, mails and "everything"??
, their media is just a massive propaganda machine.

I can only assume you are talking about FOX News here...

The whole "american way of life" is just a sham.

No it's not.... its very real

US is no better than China. Its only because they speak the same language as us, we understand what's happening in US better than what's going on in China.

In what regard?

Infact I'll prefer China as a superpower rather than US because it won't go interfering in other countries matters.

Don't you think thats a bit naive?

af_thefragile · 08-01-2011 08:43PM

bobblepuzzle wrote: »

Mark my words, you can be 100% GAURANTEED China will interfere with it's neighbours and further afield.... this is what superpowers do...

On top there's Russia, its not going to challenge Russia. To the east there's Japan, it won't challenge Japan either. It might challenge Korea (dunno if it'll challenge North or South though, South is backed by US but north is Commie).
I don't think there's anything China has to benefit from going down south. Its big enough as it is.

I doubt China will interfere with Afghanistan.

Although China is in fact interfering with India! China is friendly with Pakistan but not friendly with India. So yeah, something might happen there.
India is friendly with Israel, US and Russia on the other hand. India gets most of its weapons from Israel.

Though strictly speaking, today's super power is neither China nor USA, its Israel!!

Israel controls US and most of the big corporations and banks in the world. Israel posses the latest military arsenal, nukes and if the conspiracy theories are anything to go by, the zionists controls World Bank, IMF, Federal Reserve, Bank of England and basically most of the big centrals banks of the West. Which makes Israel (or the Zionists) the wealthiest and most powerful country in the world.

If you go by this "conspiracy theory" a lot of pieces fit into place and it explains it very well why there's all these wars going on in Middle East and why US keeps pushing with its war despite it being absolutely broke!
If US was fighting for democracy, it wouldn't be backing some of the worst dictators at the same time and opposing other democracies who don't agree with US's foreign policy!

Sunnyisland · 08-01-2011 08:50PM

of the fragile wrote: »

On top there's Russia, its not going to challenge Russia. To the east there's Japan, it won't challenge Japan either. It might challenge Korea (dunno if it'll challenge North or South though, South is backed by US but north is Commie).
I don't think there's anything China has to benefit from going down south. Its big enough as it is.

I doubt China will interfere with Afghanistan.

Although China is in fact interfering with India! China is friendly with Pakistan but not friendly with India. So yeah, something might happen there.
India is friendly with Israel, US and Russia on the other hand. India gets most of its weapons from Israel.

Though strictly speaking, today's super power is neither China nor USA, its Israel!!

Israel controls US and most of the big corporations and banks in the world. Israel posses the latest military arsenal, nukes and if the conspiracy theories are anything to go by, the zionists controls World Bank, IMF, Federal Reserve, Bank of England and basically most of the big centrals banks of the West. Which makes Israel (or the Zionists) the wealthiest and most powerful country in the world.

If you go by this "conspiracy theory" a lot of pieces fit into place and it explains it very well why there's all these wars going on in Middle East and why US keeps pushing with its war despite it being absolutely broke!
If US was fighting for democracy, it wouldn't be backing some of the worst dictators at the same time and opposing other democracies who don't agree with US's foreign policy!

I am only newish here and this is after hours and i think your of your trolley.:D But you are entitled to your opinion here...more than if you were in china.

CommanderZero · 08-01-2011 08:51PM

Corvus Maximus wrote: »

Unlike the Yanks, the Chinese have thousands of years of culture and history and therefore have a bit more maturity in international matters. The Yanks however, have been throwing their weight around for far long in the playground. The emergence of China will act as a nice counter balance to the american empire, and will thankfully lead to it's demise.

Very naive thinking. You might want to consider why the Chinese are literally all over every conflict area in Africa right now and are engaging in worldwide cyber warefare without provacation. The chinese talk about not involving themselves in foreign affairs but then go and do the complete opposite. If you honestly believe that having a country like China -with its human rights record, one party government and censorship - in the position of America would have a positive effect on world affairs then you are insane. I'm not a huge fan of America but lets be honest here they're the best of a bad bunch. Countries like Russia or China would be a hell of a lot worse.
China don't like being challenged and are increasingly more demanding and unresponsive to criticism. I honestly don't want to think about how China would react if a September 11th style attack occured on their land. I think it would be a lot worse than America's response. We saw how Putin's Russia treated Chechnya.

China flexes military might

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