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  • #32
    HayleyLyons1
    Closed Accounts Posts: 42 ✭HayleyLyons1


    Patricide wrote: »
    Why did everyone assume the op is a religious guy? Did I miss something here? Why do people always turn stuff into a religious debate..


    I'm not religious. But to answer that question, these people are so scared that they've been "had" by modern society. Their dream utopia has not turned out as expected, maybe there is more to life than facebook, ipads and C++.


  • #33
    fluffo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 49 ✭fluffo


    HayleyLyons1 wrote: »
    I could start a thread on any number of topics and predict exactly what the responses will be, including the "witty retorts", the intellectual replies, the snobs and so on.

    People here won't think for themselves, when a topic is supplied they just wheel out their standard response.

    As for science, don't confuse years lived with quality of life.


    Well done for your prediction. Now, why did you start the thread if you knew what responses you'd get?

    And please give more detail on your opinion, why exactly would life be better without science?


  • #34
    amacca
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,972 ✭✭✭amacca


    Patricide wrote: »
    Why did everyone assume the op is a religious guy? Did I miss something here? Why do people always turn stuff into a religious debate..

    Well first off I assumed op was a girl.....(I imagined she might be hot too - but thats not an assumption I suppose- just thought I'd throw that in there - are you op- hot I mean?)

    secondly....if one doesn't use logic or scientific research as a basis for making decisions

    then what are you left with....beliefs I would have thought, religious or otherwise?

    I assumed perhaps wrongly that when OP said she was sick of science - that meant logical thought was out the window too

    Science is a bit of a broad spectrum no?


  • #35
    sensibleken
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,650 ✭✭✭sensibleken


    HayleyLyons1 wrote: »
    I'm not religious. But to answer that question, these people are so scared that they've been "had" by modern society. Their dream utopia has not turned out as expected, maybe there is more to life than facebook, ipads and C++.

    less than 100 facebook friends......Screw science!!!!


  • #36
    raah!
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,629 ✭✭✭raah!


    Lumen wrote: »
    Science is based on reason.
    Abandoning science = abandoning reason.
    Thread advocating abandoning science = unreasonable thread.
    OP complaining that pro-reason responses are unreasonable = ironic.
    Unreasonable person being unreasonable = predictable.

    In any case, hokey religions and ancient weapons are no substitute for a good blaster at your side.

    This is really funny. If you knock off the top of a pyramid does that mean you've destroyed the base? Does walking out of a county in ireland mean you have left ireland?


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  • #37
    HayleyLyons1
    Closed Accounts Posts: 42 ✭HayleyLyons1


    Lumen wrote: »
    Science is based on reason..

    Yes, but can you tell the difference between science and scientific propaganda?
    Lumen wrote: »
    Abandoning science = abandoning reason..

    That would depend. Do you think that things are developed solely to please you and make your life better. HAs science never been used to destroy human life? In the future will you be totally controlled by scientific devices?

    Maybe reason would dictate that science is abandoned in the interests of human life.
    Lumen wrote: »
    Thread advocating abandoning science = unreasonable thread..
    [/QUOTE]

    Maybe it is reasonable in the respect that you might not end up in a virtual prison.


  • #38
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 26,920 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Isn't most of religion propaganda though?


  • #39
    amacca
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,972 ✭✭✭amacca


    HayleyLyons1 wrote: »
    Yes, but can you tell the difference between science and scientific propaganda?



    That would depend. Do you think that things are developed solely to please you and make your life better. HAs science never been used to destroy human life? In the future will you be totally controlled by scientific devices?

    Maybe reason would dictate that science is abandoned in the interests of human life.


    Maybe it is reasonable in the respect that you might not end up in a virtual prison.[/QUOTE]

    OP fights back -

    with you on the whole scientific propaganda btw - could have made that clearer at the start though by separating the two or something?


  • #40
    HayleyLyons1
    Closed Accounts Posts: 42 ✭HayleyLyons1


    Deleted User wrote: »
    Isn't most of religion propaganda though?


    Not sure, maybe that is what you think.

    Do you realise that there is an agenda to destroy christianity?


  • #41
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 26,920 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    HayleyLyons1 wrote: »
    Not sure, maybe that is what you think.

    Do you realise that there is an agenda to destroy christianity?

    Does Christianity not have an agenda to destroy science?


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  • #42
    chin_grin
    Closed Accounts Posts: 10,808 ✭✭✭✭chin_grin


    HayleyLyons1 wrote: »
    Not sure, maybe that is what you think.

    Do you realise that there is an agenda to destroy christianity?

    So? Good.

    You need to watch this.

    http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0815241/


  • #43
    Lumen
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30,532 ✭✭✭✭Lumen


    HayleyLyons1 wrote: »
    In the future will you be totally controlled by scientific devices?

    Controlled by a scientific device? Like, some sort pedantic robot?

    "Could I have a coffee?".
    "Yes."
    ............
    "Well?"
    "Well what?"
    "I asked you for a coffee".
    "No you didn't, you asked me whether you could have a coffee".
    "OK, give me a coffee".
    "Are you sure?"
    "Yes"
    "What is your confidence interval?"
    "Er, 95%".
    "Please review this with the person standing next to you".

    Yes, I can see how that would be irritating.


  • #44
    TheZohanS
    Closed Accounts Posts: 11,581 ✭✭✭✭TheZohanS


    HayleyLyons1 wrote: »
    Not sure, maybe that is what you think.

    Do you realise that there is an agenda to destroy christianity?

    Ah I remember you!

    So you re-regged again to spout your normal crap. Does it not get old?


  • #45
    c_man
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,436 ✭✭✭c_man


    HayleyLyons1 wrote: »
    maybe there is more to life than facebook, ipads and C++.

    C#?


  • #46
    Duggy747
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,295 ✭✭✭✭Duggy747


    If you have a problem with science then stop using your computer, build a shack for yourself in the woods and let God take care of you.

    It's like me giving out about how shìt everything about television is while I'm still sitting there watching television.


  • #47
    animan
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 510 ✭✭✭animan


    Fuckin magnets, how do they work?


  • #48
    mickydoomsux
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 4,287 ✭✭✭mickydoomsux


    HayleyLyons1 wrote: »
    I'm not religious. But to answer that question, these people are so scared that they've been "had" by modern society. Their dream utopia has not turned out as expected, maybe there is more to life than facebook, ipads and C++.

    Well there isn't really. This is the world we live in. There's isn't "more".

    Enjoy your facebook and gadgetery and other such diversions. Stop looking for the "answer".

    You'll be sorely disappointed.


  • #49
    Irish Guitarist
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,736 ✭✭✭Irish Guitarist


    Science told us that Pluto is a planet. Just when we were all starting to like the little guy science told us that he's not a planet at all. Screw science.


  • #50
    Sam Vimes
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,611 ✭✭✭✭Sam Vimes


    HayleyLyons1 wrote: »
    Yes, but can you tell the difference between science and scientific propaganda?

    Definition of scientific propaganda: Any scientific finding that contradicts someone's religious (or other) belief


  • #51
    seamus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 68,173 ✭✭✭✭seamus


    Duggy747 wrote: »
    If you have a problem with science then stop using your computer, build a shack for yourself in the woods and let God take care of you.
    Build a shack? Why that would require the use of science! Blaspheme!

    Unless you live naked, move into a cave and kill and eat things with your bare hands, you're using science.


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  • #52
    sensibleken
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,650 ✭✭✭sensibleken


    Science once told me that the force of attraction between two objects is equal to the gravitationl constant by the mass of the first object, by the mass of the second object divided by the square of the distance between them.

    When I was trying to work it out, science stole my bike. Fúck science!


  • #53
    Duggy747
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,295 ✭✭✭✭Duggy747


    seamus wrote: »
    Build a shack? Why that would require the use of science! Blaspheme!

    Unless you live naked, move into a cave and kill and eat things with your bare hands, you're using science.

    I once killed an insect with my bare hand...........where was science then, eh? Too busy solving things, I bet!


  • #54
    delta720
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 179 ✭✭delta720


    HayleyLyons1 wrote: »
    Yes, but can you tell the difference between science and scientific propaganda?

    OMG, if you change the letters of HayleyLyons1 around it spells... JIM CORR!


  • #55
    El Siglo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,803 ✭✭✭El Siglo


    "Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former." - Einstein.


  • #56
    Calibos
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 7,931 ✭✭✭Calibos


    OP.

    You're your wan from this Lotto ad aren't you?
    If I won the lottery I'd buy a fluffy cloud and feed my ponies rainbows.
    Play the Lottery......or it could be her!


  • #57
    amacca
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,972 ✭✭✭amacca


    animan wrote: »
    Fuckin magnets, how do they work?

    Good question .... hard to answer....I shall attempt to explain shoddily

    ever heard of electron spin or spin quantum number? - never mind, we will skip any in depth on that bit - true scientists always make you fell like you are being condescended to.

    as I understand it, electrons behave like tiny magnetic dipoles.

    in non magnetic materials - these dipoles not oriented in a uniform way so cancel each other out to an extent - they are not noticeably magnetic to us

    in what we call magnetic materials these dipoles tend to line up making the material magnetic

    without getting into ferromagnetism, paramagnetism, ferri etc

    all material affected by magnetic field (so magnetic to an extent) but if dipoles line up then the material tends to be affected and thus responds (attraction repulsion etc) more to a magnetic field


    there....hope you are more confused now than when I started....that is the goal of my science.....keep them confused.


  • #58
    sensibleken
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,650 ✭✭✭sensibleken


    amacca wrote: »
    Good question .... hard to answer....I shall attempt to explain shoddily

    ever heard of electron spin or spin quantum number? - never mind, we will skip any in depth on that bit - true scientists always make you fell like you are being condescended to.

    as I understand it, electrons behave like tiny magnetic dipoles.

    in non magnetic materials - these dipoles not oriented in a uniform way so cancel each other out to an extent - they are not noticeably magnetic to us

    in what we call magnetic materials these dipoles tend to line up making the material magnetic

    without getting into ferromagnetism, paramagnetism, ferri etc

    all material affected by magnetic field (so magnetic to an extent) but if dipoles line up then the material tends to be affected and thus responds (attraction repulsion etc) more to a magnetic field


    there....hope you are more confused now than when I started....that is the goal of my science.....keep them confused.

    em no...god pushes the pin to the magnet and he can hold it there while checking up on whos masterbating


  • #59
    amacca
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,972 ✭✭✭amacca


    sensibleken wrote: »
    em no...god pushes the pin to the magnet and he can hold it there while checking up on whos masterbating

    That made less apparent sense than my explanation

    God doesn't care about you or your bodily fluids btw!:eek:


  • #60
    sensibleken
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,650 ✭✭✭sensibleken


    amacca wrote: »
    That made less apparent sense than my explanation

    God doesn't care about you or your bodily fluids btw!:eek:

    yeah i know...never mind


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  • #61
    Ninjedi
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30 ✭Ninjedi


    An attempt to answer some of OP's slightly incoherent posts (it's a bit early to be drinking?).
    Definition of SCIENCE

    1
    : the state of knowing : knowledge as distinguished from ignorance or misunderstanding

    2
    a : a department of systematized knowledge as an object of study <the science of theology> b : something (as a sport or technique) that may be studied or learned like systematized knowledge <have it down to a science>

    3
    a : knowledge or a system of knowledge covering general truths or the operation of general laws especially as obtained and tested through scientific method b : such knowledge or such a system of knowledge concerned with the physical world and its phenomena : natural science

    4
    : a system or method reconciling practical ends with scientific laws <cooking is both a science and an art>



    Notice the word truth in there - the difference between actual science and scientific propaganda revolves around that. If you're gullible enough to swallow what you're being told without verifying it yourself - and the wonderful thing about science is that you can always do that - it's your problem. Real science has proof, theoretical science has a coherent and consistent logic that can serve as a form of intermediate knowledge (based on assumption of correctness), for everything else you've got variations on "well my invisible friend could beat yours up cos he's ALL POWERFUL!" or "I know better than you because I say I do"

    Global warming got a mention, I'm sure that's in relation to the Wikileak about fabricated results, gee whiz I can't believe a human being lied about something to further their own personal views and/or goals!!1 :eek:

    An agenda to destroy Christianity..? After all the good it's done the world? Why would we want to have done without any of the following!?: the Crusades (and the subsequent increase in enmity and animosity with the Arab nations), the Salem Witch Trials, the Spanish Inquisition, the spread of AIDS in Africa, the Holocaust, the continued insistence of the Church that horrible dirty women are second class citizens, the demonisation of homosexuality, and of course let's not forget decades possibly centuries of child abuse all being covered up by the church to protect the abusers and victimise the victims all over again.

    I'm getting tired. I know she's not going to rationally address any of this anyway. Why am I bothering? Who said I was drunk, that's a lie!?


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