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  • #32
    Mike 1972
    Closed Accounts Posts: 8,018 ✭✭✭Mike 1972


    STB wrote: »
    It is not imaginary.

    It is the reality of respecting the right you have been given and the associated monies you have paid. Broadcast to 5 million people the cost is x. Broadcast to xxx the costs are prohibitive to having the service on in the first place.
    .

    Weve already had this debate in the thread I linked to. Unless someone has new points to add which havent been covered already I dont see the point in rehashing it all over again.


  • #33
    STB
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,178 ✭✭✭STB


    Mike 1972 wrote: »
    Weve already had this debate in the thread I linked to. Unless someone has new points to add which havent been covered already I dont see the point in rehashing it all over again.

    And it is clear that we need to have it again Mike as you dont seem to understand that it doesnt matter who is watching, it is the principle of broadcasting unencrypted with rights that were retained for ROI outside that jurisdiction. It would be a free for all otherwise. RTE are a national broadcaster, not a pan european.

    Again it is not an imaginary problem. It is a problem facing all European broadcasters with bought in content.


  • #34
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 0 ✭ [Deleted User]


    Clearly the common European market doesn't extend to television or cars despite platitudes.
    Isn't it surprising how rights holders are allowed to regionalise the sale of them like they do in Europe in what is supposed to be a common market.


  • #35
    Mike 1972
    Closed Accounts Posts: 8,018 ✭✭✭Mike 1972


    STB wrote: »
    And it is clear that we need to have it again Mike as you dont seem to understand that it doesnt matter who is watching, it is the principle of broadcasting unencrypted with rights that were retained for ROI outside that jurisdiction. It would be a free for all otherwise. RTE are a national broadcaster, not a pan european.

    Again it is not an imaginary problem. It is a problem facing all European broadcasters with bought in content.

    Troll and partonise all you like but Im not going to be drawn into yet another bunfight. The other thread is there and linked for anone else who's interested.


  • #36
    watty
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,461 ✭✭✭✭watty


    Mike 1972 wrote: »
    So am I take it you are our first volunteer for this national squad of unpaid satellite engineers who are going to climb ladders and roofs across the UK and Ireland replacing obsolete LNB's ?

    Already been done twice...
    C-band to Ku-band
    Squarials to dish + LNBF

    Then Ku-band Standard or Telecom LNBs (analogue Era) by Universal Ku-Band LNBFs for Digital.

    The UK is not using Ka any time soon for DTH. But with HD and maybe 3D, and the MUCH lower Broadcaster cost they will eventually. Maybe 10 years time. The UK will be using Ka band to feed DTT sites in the next few years.

    Irish TV needs "geographic" limited area is artificial due to how economics of not just Sport & Holywood, but even Irish Productions and royalties to Actors, Composers, Musicians and Presenters are based on potential Audience size. To claim it's imaginary problem (even for UK) is totally naive.

    In fact with ASO finally in UK 2012/2013 there will be very little growth in Satellite TV in UK by 2015.

    Satellites and equipment wear out over a 15 year time scale. Broadcasters are more concerned nowadays about their costs, not the public's costs.

    Currently Scheduled ka-Band launches and the recent ones.
    http://www.lyngsat.com/launches/ka.html

    Includes THREE Astra satellites for 28.2E

    Most of the drive for Ka-band is for communications and Internet, not TV. But it's very very much cheaper than Ku. Costs the Sat operator maybe 1/10th to 1/20th of Ku. Not all that saving will be passed to broadcasters.

    For next 15 years Ka will be niche TV applications like Irish TV for Fill-in. Also all the UK broadcasters have expensive encrypted feeds on other satellites they will replace with FTA (clear) feeds to feed DTT sites as Ireland will be doing.

    Cinema feeds (but encrypted and keyed to GPS and box) will also be on Ka.


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  • #37
    Mike 1972
    Closed Accounts Posts: 8,018 ✭✭✭Mike 1972


    watty wrote: »

    Already been done twice...
    C-band to Ku-band
    Squarials to dish + LNBF.

    Hardly comparing like with like.
    When we went to C-Band to Ku the installed base of dishes in the UK cant have been any more than a couple of thousand and dishes at the time were rarely mounted at roof/first floor level due to (among other things) their sheer physical size.
    The move from Squarials was at the insistance of the (UK) regulators and paid for (reluctantly) by $ky even then the installed base was only a small fraction of what it is today.
    watty wrote: »
    Then Ku-band Standard or Telecom LNBs (analogue Era) by Universal Ku-Band LNBFs for Digital.
    Part of a wider replacement cycle for dishes/recievers due to introduction of Sky digital.
    watty wrote: »
    Broadcasters are more concerned nowadays about their costs, not the public's costs..

    Broadcasters still heavily subsidise recieve equipment and installation
    watty wrote: »
    Most of the drive for Ka-band is for communications and Internet, not TV. But it's very very much cheaper than Ku.
    Some might say that Ku is "too cheap" as things stand (Witness the proliferation of junk channels cluttering up the EPG/Transponders)

    (Other comments ignored as per previous posts above)


  • #38
    STB
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,178 ✭✭✭STB


    Mike 1972 wrote: »
    Troll and partonise all you like but Im not going to be drawn into yet another bunfight. The other thread is there and linked for anone else who's interested.

    Who is trolling.

    You hyperlinked your own thread and definition of imaginary vis a vis Ireland use of Kasat for Ireland. You dont like that Ireland cant be FTA like our nearest neighbours the UK on satellite. I dont like it either. But I do understand and have considered the possibility that it is outside the control of RTE.
    Deleted User wrote: »
    Clearly the common European market doesn't extend to television or cars despite platitudes.
    Isn't it surprising how rights holders are allowed to regionalise the sale of them like they do in Europe in what is supposed to be a common market.

    Tell that to HBO, the Premier League, UEFA, ERU etc.

    It is one of the criticisms of the current Premier League market model that broadcasters include clauses in their subscription contracts with consumers that forbid the use of broadcasters' decoder cards outside the designated territory. The effect of such restrictions is that it does of course create territorial monopolies.

    The other side of a succesful outcome for Katherine Murphy in the case currently before the European Court of Justice is that football rights - or any media rights - might have to be sold on a Europe-wide basis, in which case only a handful of companies will be able to afford to bid.


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