some Bloody farmers breaking laws

fikay · 02-01-2011 03:18PM

kowloon wrote: »

Sometimes large gangs of farmers bunch up together and pillage the land, killing and eating everything in their path.

Not trying to be a smart arse but have you a source for this? Sounds like fantasy to me.

ejmaztec · 02-01-2011 03:20PM

mconigol wrote: »

Why not reintroduce wolves and release a few bears while we're at it.

Now we're talking sense, let's have a few hundred of these introduced into the country.

ejmaztec · 02-01-2011 03:23PM

fikay wrote: »

Not trying to be a smart arse but have you a source for this? Sounds like fantasy to me.

It happens everywhere, but the IFA pay the media to cover it up.

Oranage2 · 02-01-2011 03:28PM

fikay wrote: »

Not trying to be a smart arse but have you a source for this? Sounds like fantasy to me.

I've seen it with my own 2 eyes thats why there aren't any trees left in Sligo, its a goverment cover-up

krudler · 02-01-2011 03:30PM

fikay wrote: »

Not trying to be a smart arse but have you a source for this? Sounds like fantasy to me.

Two of my uncles were eaten by rampaging farmers, its a pretty sensitive subject so dont call it fantasy please.

ejmaztec · 02-01-2011 03:36PM

..and they've been grabbing more than their fair share of road-salt, so that they can horde it for a frosty day. Pat the motorist fills a bucket with it and takes it away, and the farmer shows up with a trailer and fills the fecker up until the axle is about to give way. Greedy, greedy feckers.

Nodin · 02-01-2011 03:44PM

steddyeddy wrote: »

farmers are worse i was out on several calls for neglect you wouldnt believe. the sense of entitlement these people have beggers beleif. they hold a lot of power in this country so people are afraid to prosecute but norway and scotland are very p1ssed off with us. norway gave us 77 eagles ffs and we (by we i mean some retard farmers ) killed 15.

in fairness the travelers arent killing endangered species and p1ssing off our eurpean neighbours

It has to be said that its the practice of putting out poisoned bait thats the problem. This is not something that was introduced to deal with the birds. Personally, I'm suprised the issue wasn't tackled before the eagles were re-introduced.

Agricola · 02-01-2011 04:01PM

I know plenty of farmers and apart from a love of the country life, nature, and a good understanding of animals, one thing that most farmers Ive met have in common is a fairly uncompromising outlook when it comes to their livelihoods. This Eagle business is a case in point. In my experience anyone or anything that gets in the way of a farmer and his already unreliable income is going down to Chinatown!

ejmaztec · 02-01-2011 04:11PM

I'm going to introduce some Giant Condors, and there will be a prize for the first video footage of a farmer being whisked away by the arse of his pants into the sunset.

ScumLord · 02-01-2011 04:15PM

ejmaztec wrote: »

..and they've been grabbing more than their fair share of road-salt, so that they can horde it for a frosty day. Pat the motorist fills a bucket with it and takes it away, and the farmer shows up with a trailer and fills the fecker up until the axle is about to give way. Greedy, greedy feckers.

Then the bastards go out and spread it all over the roads the councils won't do.

ejmaztec · 02-01-2011 04:21PM

ScumLord wrote: »

Then the bastards go out and spread it all over the roads the councils won't do.

no, they put it in small packets and sell it to junkies in back alleys.:(

Wolf Club · 02-01-2011 04:22PM

kowloon wrote: »

Sometimes large gangs of farmers bunch up together and pillage the land, killing and eating everything in their path.

Even the cute wittle wabbits? :eek:

IMO farming is seriously taken for granted in this country. Many people seem to think it takes no intelligence to run a farm, and that it is an unneeded and unnecessary practice for thick mucksavages that only do it because they wouldn't be capable of doing anything else. These eagles may not be capable of carrying away an entire sheep, but I'd imagine they'd be able to kill a sheep/lamb and feast on the carcass, which would be a massive inconvenience for any farmer. Poisoning them is very wrong, there's no doubt about it, but from a farmer's point of view, this is about protecting their stock, not killing a bird for sport.

m5ex9oqjawdg2i · 02-01-2011 04:24PM

Alyssa Hundreds Coffeepot wrote: »

some being the operative word

Being from the sticks I can tell you that any of the farmers I talk to, my aul mad included, would love to see such birds flying about. Mainly because of the fact that living in the country and working with animals can give you a love of nature.
I know a lot of people who are angry about the fact that you dont see many foxes or rabbits around here these days as a result of heavy hunting/lamping
I have never heard of a fox taking a lamb around here, hens ok but thats only if you're stupid enough not to lock them up at night and very few people have them now anyway

The general attitude is that it's nicer to see these animals than not see them. But of course, as in all areas, you do find some sacks

Plenty of lambs taken every year down my way. Problem is we have very few hunters down here so the fox population is huge.

Fighting Irish · 02-01-2011 04:26PM

steddyeddy wrote: »

farmers are worse i was out on several calls for neglect you wouldnt believe. the sense of entitlement these people have beggers beleif. they hold a lot of power in this country so people are afraid to prosecute but norway and scotland are very p1ssed off with us. norway gave us 77 eagles ffs and we (by we i mean some retard farmers ) killed 15.

in fairness the travelers arent killing endangered species and p1ssing off our eurpean neighbours

I couldn't give a toss about some eagle but i do believe that all animals should be treated the same

fontanalis · 02-01-2011 04:28PM

How about re-introducing wolves? They should love that!

Jumpy · 02-01-2011 04:29PM

Seloth wrote: »

Much of these subsidy are for the implementation of regulations set forth by the government.

For instance farms now have to have a new set container for animal waste,this container costs over 40k.

Over 46% of the EU budget goes into agriculture CAPS.So much so do people see the importance too these at the French presidents risked his relations with other EU states in order to defend their need!

I'm quite shocked at the way some people are acting towards Farmers here.Jesus you would honestly think by the way people assume here they go around poisoning and killing every little thing.

My father is a farmer and I can tell you he has contributed more to nature than most of you here.He converted a large amount of land into forested areas,Much of which hasn't seen a tree in over 300 years!He also uses bio fuels and supports various environmental causes.

The typical view that farmers are dimwitted smelling idiots is as about as accurate as the american view on the Irish.Farms themselves are for every fact a business now,with allot of science behind the works.

But he feeds beefburgers to swans!

epgc3fyqirnbsx · 02-01-2011 04:35PM

Rodrigo Large Oasis wrote: »

Plenty of lambs taken every year down my way. Problem is we have very few hunters down here so the fox population is huge.

I accept that, just haven't seen it around here. But it is way over-hunted. On our loand I used to know where all the foxes dens are, now they're all empty.
If over population of foxes is a problem then it should be put under control I just hate to see it being over done like it is here

steddyeddy · 02-01-2011 05:57PM

Interesting alright. Did they ever publish the results of the post mortem analysis on the birds to confirm what the poison was? In the video they indicate that it is likely to be accidental so it might not necessarily be deliberate targetting. It be possible that they were posioned while scavenging on sheep carcasses. Here is a link about kite poisoning.

except in a very few cases I dont think they are being targeted however 15 have been killed by poison. Norway are pissed off at us as is Scotland.

http://www.rte.ie/news/2010/0503/poisoning.html

the poisons used are all illegal carbofuran and strychnine

http://www.gigrin.co.uk/threats_to_red_kites.html

Honestly, I would be surprised any farmer would do this. I haven't heard anything like occuring before although where I am from it is predominantly cattle rather than sheep. It is a SAC and I love seeing hen harriers and other animals such as foxes here.

you love seeing them mate because your sensible, but some people arent, but the only people who bait are farmers and people with crops.

Could it be possible that they were targetting badgers to prevent the spread of TB as there is usually controversy over the basis of badger culls in TB prevention.

legal badger culling does not use illegal poisons.

steddyeddy · 02-01-2011 05:59PM

maglite wrote: »

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2218/1860660775_ba8722b52c.jpg
Not for the faint of heart, http://raptorpersecutionscotland.files.wordpress.com/2010/03/may-2002-posioned-sea-eagle-turnalt-farm.jpg
http://www.scotland.gov.uk/Resource/Doc/47060/0014566.pdf

Now I'm not saying I agree with the farmers, totally the opposite. But I can see one of those Eagles taking a lamb.... It's not too hard to imagine. I can also see why if a farmer thinks they will start killling the lambs they might object to the reintroduction.

They are big powerful birds.

in fairness if they object to a animal rare in ireland being re-introduced thats their problem. how would they act if the grey wolf got re-introduced

steddyeddy · 02-01-2011 06:00PM

grenache wrote: »

Are you quite finished tarring every Irish farmer for the crimes of a small minority?

actually man if you read a later post i saw some being very much the operative word

steddyeddy · 02-01-2011 06:02PM

ejmaztec wrote: »

Most farmers are efficient agri-businessmen, and some are inbred semi-literate toothless cretins who are about 200 years behind the times. It's the latter who can't be trusted.

its very much the latter that cant be trusted the rest are essentiall to the economy and nice people

steddyeddy · 02-01-2011 06:03PM

double GG wrote: »

Sums it up.

No evidence, just speculation.

every autopsy said poison was used, a lot of it was illegal poison.

steddyeddy · 02-01-2011 06:05PM

Logical Fallacy wrote: »

There you go, video evidence trumps your mindless stereotyping.

An eagle can carry a lamb or small sheep.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xjWjtNf3Fm0

I sincerly hope your joking with that one, you might of well have linked a video of a komodo dragon killing sheep. do you know what type of eagle is featured in the video and can you see any difference between a red kite or sea eagle.

Cookie_Monster · 02-01-2011 06:10PM

Logical Fallacy wrote: »

There you go, video evidence trumps your mindless stereotyping.
An eagle can carry a lamb or small sheep.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xjWjtNf3Fm0

you know there are different types of eagles right?...

mconigol wrote: »

Why not reintroduce wolves and release a few bears while we're at it.

hopefully they will, there was vague talk of it and I think its being done in Scotland already.

steddyeddy · 02-01-2011 06:15PM

Nodin wrote: »

It has to be said that its the practice of putting out poisoned bait thats the problem. This is not something that was introduced to deal with the birds. Personally, I'm suprised the issue wasn't tackled before the eagles were re-introduced.

im not saying their delibratly targeting the eagles its the poison thats the problem its the baiting of lamb carcasses ect

ScumLord · 02-01-2011 06:24PM

fontanalis wrote: »

How about re-introducing wolves? They should love that!

It would be a good reason for them to break out the hunting dog again.

steddyeddy · 02-01-2011 06:29PM

just to say im not saying all farmers are bad or stupid as i said im friends with many many good ones an the majority of farmers care deeply about animal welfare. my great grand dad was a small farmer in carlow. when he was selling cows he used to have a tear in his eye.

there are some bad ones who cook the books, have no respect for wildlife or people (as i said what would happen if a child picked up a carcass laced with strycnine) 15 out of 77 sea eagles have been killed. a few kites in wickow poisoned also. the farmers are giving contradicting statements aranging from " well we should lay down less bait" to were not laying down any bait and the absurd "we should be notiied if eagles are in the area". its these farmers i have no problem labelling inbreed cretins.

if you are a farmer and have issue with a eagle killing your lambs contact the ifa and they will try and get compensation. dont kill indicriminatly.

steddyeddy · 02-01-2011 06:38PM

Agricola wrote: »

I know plenty of farmers and apart from a love of the country life, nature, and a good understanding of animals, one thing that most farmers Ive met have in common is a fairly uncompromising outlook when it comes to their livelihoods. This Eagle business is a case in point. In my experience anyone or anything that gets in the way of a farmer and his already unreliable income is going down to Chinatown!

not to mention the value of their assets

dlofnep · 02-01-2011 06:44PM

About 2 years ago, there were loads of blackbirds laying out on the road and path outside my house. They had all been poisoned by farmers. I brought the last two that were alive down to the vet, because they were lieing on the path in the freezing cold, gulping for air. I gave them water - but in the end, the vet had to put them down.

Do farmers have no consideration at all for animal welfare? I love animals, so it was really upsetting to see the poor little birds shaking out on the ground.

epgc3fyqirnbsx · 02-01-2011 06:48PM

dlofnep wrote: »

About 2 years ago, there were loads of blackbirds laying out on the road and path outside my house. They had all been poisoned by farmers. I brought the last two that were alive down to the vet, because they were lieing on the path in the freezing cold, gulping for air. I gave them water - but in the end, the vet had to put them down.

Do farmers have no consideration at all for animal welfare? I love animals, so it was really upsetting to see the poor little birds shaking out on the ground.

Are you trolling or did you not read the thread?

some Bloody farmers breaking laws

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