VW Golf on low mileage - 1.6 TDI better than 1.2 TSI - just sales talk???

01-01-2011 01:30PM

paultf wrote: »

Just out of interest how many miles per year would you have to drive to avoid problems with the DPF and DMF in a 1.6 TDI?

Also if I did alot of short trips with the odd long trip would that beat the problem? Or would I need to be doing 60MPH+ regularly on a motorway to ensure the DPF works properly?

Its more the type of driving that it requires rather than mileage itself. Post #10 in this thread suggests that you'll have to drive at over 60 km/h for between 10 and 15 minutes reasonably regularly. That's not as easy as it sounds in an urban environment and you may be too busy to find the time to drive up the M50 when its reasonably clear just to suit the car.

Matt Simis · 01-01-2011 07:10PM

paultf wrote: »

Part of the reason I am going for a Golf is I need the boot space for carrying 3 dogs. Plus I like Golf's.

I have to admit I am confused again . I was set on a TSI but now I wondering if this is going to cause problems too. The TDI is a better engine/drive and maybe if I changed every 4 years I might avoid problems with the DPF or DMF.

I hope they are Toy sized dogs, I would consider a Golf quite unsuitable for dog travelling. I use an Alfa Sportswagon (a kinda small estate or long hatchback, pending your viewpoint) for that these days but previously had a BMW and an Audi estates for the job (both bigger than the Alfa and a lot bigger than a hatchback). *Edit: Assuming you are looking at the regular Golf model, not the god awful looking estate... do they still make them in the new gen?

Anyhow, it is all confusing but only when you consider you are looking for the "right" answer but limiting yourself to a choice of two unsuitable VW products. Its true, the TSI engines and the TDIs do no tolerate short journeys well at all.

Have you considered buying a Used Car instead? You will would open the field to different, more suitable engine types, get a better spec'd / larger car by far and of course save significantly on purchase price.

paultf · 01-01-2011 08:35PM

Matt Simis wrote: »

I hope they are Toy sized dogs

A bit bigger! I have a Golf at the moment and they fit OK - only short trips.

Anyways after all the great advice on this thread and after searching the web, I realise the TDI won't suit my low mileage. So that option is gone. Pity.

The main reason I am set on a Golf is I really like them!

I checked out a few other cars (astra, civic, c'eed, etc) but I didn't take to them.

Also the reason I am going for a new car is my current Golf is nearly 10 years old so it seems the best option is to scrap it.

At this stage I going to take the plunge and go for the TSI and hope I get a run.

MagicMarker · 01-01-2011 08:38PM

Scrapping a 10 year old golf! Jaysus.

What's the scrappage deal worth on the golf? You'll get 2k+ for that golf, depending condition/spec of course. Would be a shame to scrap a perfectly good car tbh.

Dilbert75 · 01-01-2011 08:54PM

Matt Simis wrote: »

I use an Alfa Sportswagon (a kinda small estate or long hatchback, pending your viewpoint) for that these days but previously had a BMW and an Audi estates for the job (both bigger than the Alfa and a lot bigger than a hatchback).

Matt,
A bit off topic but is your SW a 156, is it a JTD and does it have a DPF? Only ask cos I'm going to look at one on Monday....

paultf · 01-01-2011 08:55PM

MagicMarker wrote: »

Scrapping a 10 year old golf! Jaysus.

What's the scrappage deal worth on the golf? You'll get 2k+ for that golf, depending condition/spec of course. Would be a shame to scrap a perfectly good car tbh.

I went to 2 VW dealers. The first dealer will give me €3,000 scrappage. He said it was 50/50 as to whether he would take it in as a trade-in - if he did all he would offer was €3,000! (Go figure!)

The 2nd dealer offered me €3,500 for scrappage but wouldn't take it in as trade-in.

I checked donedeal and they are lots of 2001 Golf's for sale. Vary in price from €2,000 to €3,500.

The first dealer did say my car was in good nick - good body and low mileage 47,000 miles.

I am going to try to sell it privately first but if I can't sell it by end of Feb. I'll have to scrap it.

Seweryn · 01-01-2011 08:59PM

paultf wrote: »

The first dealer did say my car was in good nick - good body and low mileage 47,000 miles.

It is madness to scrap a car like this, IMHO... Scrappage should not be allowed in this case, if we are to consider the environment at all.

unkel · 01-01-2011 10:19PM

Seweryn wrote: »

It is madness to scrap a car like this, IMHO... Scrappage should not be allowed in this case, if we are to consider the environment at all.

+1

What an incredible waste. We should all ask ourselves what the hell are we at with all this scrappage lark? A few weeks ago someone wanted to scrap their lovely '01 BMW 530i and now a not even 10 year old great condition Golf with 47k miles on it? In most other countries these cars would be good for another 10 years. At least.

Matt Simis · 01-01-2011 10:32PM

Dilbert75 wrote: »

Matt,
A bit off topic but is your SW a 156, is it a JTD and does it have a DPF? Only ask cos I'm going to look at one on Monday....

Yep, mine is a 2001 156 2.4JTD Sportswagon. Afaik only the 159 era JTDs have DPFs though Im open to correction from Alfa fans. We took out a Cat like thing (dont think they are called Cats on diesels?) and it wasnt a DPF, just a honeycomb matrix. I have a straight pipe back from the downpipe to the rear and tiny backbox on there to keep up appearances. Sounds excellent now (for a diesel) and garners a bit more MPG and BHP. And no, you do not need a physical Cat for the NCT, diesel only undergo Smog testing anyhow.

I needed something to carry larger loads and the occasional dog but could not bring myself to a buy a Golf, Im a VAG fan but to me there is nothing more dull (sorry OP!). The Alfa is lots of fun to drive (ok its still a diesel, but all things considered) and the (remapped) 2.4JTD engine is a little bit of automotive history as it was the first Common Rail diesel on the market (somehow the Italians figured this out before the Germans!).

Leonard Hofstadter · 04-01-2011 01:53PM

unkel wrote: »

+1

What an incredible waste. We should all ask ourselves what the hell are we at with all this scrappage lark? A few weeks ago someone wanted to scrap their lovely '01 BMW 530i and now a not even 10 year old great condition Golf with 47k miles on it? In most other countries these cars would be good for another 10 years. At least.

I know 1.4 Golfs are notioriously unreliable, but a car with only 47k miles is way too young to be even thinking of scrapping. Surely a dealer will give it more than the €1,250 it's worth under the scrappage scheme? I mean, it is a Golf so it should sell easily enough.

OP, does it *have* to be a Golf?

You seem convinced, with good reason, that a diesel is not the best option.

But a petrol engined Golf is likely to cause just as much trouble - direct injection petrols really don't take kindly to being driven around town all the time. Maybe the technology has improved now, but older DI petrols all start to go gaga after about 15,000 miles of continuously being driven gently around town - these engines really need to be driven at motorway speeds reasonably often to try and keep carbon deposit build ups to a minimum.

paultf · 05-01-2011 09:38PM

captainspeed wrote: »

I know 1.4 Golfs are notioriously unreliable, but a car with only 47k miles is way too young to be even thinking of scrapping.

Just to say I sold my Golf today saving it from scrappage. I had it up on Donedeal for a couple of days but didn't get much interest. Friend of my brother-in-law bought it - he got a good car.

The good thing for me now is I can do a deal for a new car for cash so hopefully I will save a few quid.

RedorDead · 05-01-2011 10:07PM

Think OP needs to do some similar analysis as McAleer did in the Times today - see link

http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/motors/2011/0105/1224286768121.html

paultf · 05-01-2011 10:53PM

RedorDead wrote: »

Think OP needs to do some similar analysis as McAleer did in the Times today - see link

http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/motors/2011/0105/1224286768121.html

Came across a similar link on the briskoda website - its a link to a Telegraph article in the UK - "Is diesel dead?" -
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/motoring/green-motoring/7166444/Is-diesel-dead.html

I am going for the Golf petrol 1.2 TSI 105 BHP. Toke it for a test drive twice and I am happy with it.

I am wary of low mileage in a diesel and problems with the DPF & the DMF.

I came across this VW PDF on briskoda stating this:-
http://www.circleleasing.com/pdfs/VW%20DPF.pdf

Also I got this email reply from VW Ireland. First part was to do with carbon buildup on a petrol. Second part DPF in diesels.:-

"
Thank you for your query via the Volkswagen website.

I have not had any experience with low millage issues with the flywheel or with carbon build up on petrol engines.

In terms of a DPF systems it not the actual amount of millage that causes the problems but the use of that millage. To obtain maximum efficiently on a DPF engine you must undertake a longer journey as the engine only runs at maximum efficiency at the correct operating temperature. If the user of the vehicle drives regular shout journeys where where the engine rarely reaches operating temperature, it may be susceptible to problems; this style of driving requires more frequent DPF rejuvenation.

DPF rejuvenation requires the user to drive in a certain manner for (est) 20 minutes every 2-4 weeks. This is in order to heat the exhaust, combined with heat generated by the chemical reaction within the DPF to convert the carbon build up to carbon dioxide.

To better understand the running of DPF systems you may wish to consult your local dealer. I have also attached a product guide for your information.

I hope this has effectively answered your query. Please do not hesitate to get in contact with any further queries you may have.

Regards,

Product Marketing

Volkswagen Group Ireland
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Liffey Valley
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VW Golf on low mileage - 1.6 TDI better than 1.2 TSI - just sales talk???

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