Eircom enacts three strikes rule

johanz · 30-05-2010 09:02PM

Jev/N wrote: »

Isn't that one thing you could you done for regarding secondary infringement of copyright, facilitation of copyright due to anonymity?

What happens with Child P*rn with them then, it can't be completely anonymous??

Actually yes it can. Your IP is still exposed, it's just not logged by your ISP

Jev/N · 30-05-2010 11:19PM

johanz wrote: »

Actually yes it can. Your IP is still exposed, it's just not logged by your ISP

Yep but if you have a dynamic IP, how do they know who it is?

yoyo · 30-05-2010 11:24PM

Jev/N wrote: »

Yep but if you have a dynamic IP, how do they know who it is?

Eircom or any ISP for that matter know who has a particular IP on that time & date, doesnt matter if dynamic or fixed, its still traceable

Nick

johanz · 30-05-2010 11:57PM

Jev/N wrote: »

Yep but if you have a dynamic IP, how do they know who it is?

Then there is no way. It's not like that's bad or anything.

yoyo wrote: »

Eircom or any ISP for that matter know who has a particular IP on that time & date, doesnt matter if dynamic or fixed, its still traceable

Nick

That's because most isps log ips.

jefreywithonef · 31-05-2010 12:51AM

Decent article about this in the Sunday Times. Mentions this thread too.

Peanut · 31-05-2010 01:07AM

Thanks for that, here's the link -

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/article7140356.ece

Some choice lines in there.

Dick Doyle, director general of Irma, is not worried about people who develop ways to avoid being caught, however.
...
"It’s not about the ‘nerds’, as we would call them. They are probably not customers or never would be anyway.”

:rolleyes:
Not the nerds I know, myself included.

Doyle says the scale of the problem is huge.
He wants Eircom eventually to deal with 10,000 offending IP addresses a week.

I doubt they have any intention of doing this. The number of false positives generated would surely provoke too much backlash.

Actually let's see what would happen if they consistently dealt with 10,000 offending IPs a week,
- That's 520,000 warnings a year, on a broadband customer base of, eh, 500,000. Hmmm. Pull the other one...

Jev/N · 31-05-2010 01:25AM

johanz wrote: »

Then there is no way. It's not like that's bad or anything.

Eh yeah there is, they could be held secondarily liable for not doing something as necessary as keeping logs

celtic723 · 07-06-2010 12:24PM

They're only monitoring torrent downloading and the sharing that's involved right?

Does this mean that rapidshare, megaupload etc... are treated differently?

blubloblu · 07-06-2010 12:46PM

celtic723 wrote: »

They're only monitoring torrent downloading and the sharing that's involved right?

Does this mean that rapidshare, megaupload etc... are treated differently?

Direct download sites aren't affected by this. They would either have to monitor your connection, which is NOT happening here, or get the likes of Rapidshare to hand over their records.

celtic723 · 07-06-2010 01:16PM

blubloblu wrote: »

Direct download sites aren't affected by this. They would either have to monitor your connection, which is NOT happening here, or get the likes of Rapidshare to hand over their records.

Thanks

kmurr04 · 09-06-2010 10:54PM

Here is a list of websites that eircoms deems is legal to download from,

http://www.eircom.net/notification/legalmusic/legitsites

franklyshocked · 09-06-2010 10:58PM

kmurr04 wrote: »

Here is a list of websites that eircoms deems is legal to download from,

http://www.eircom.net/notification/legalmusic/legitsites

Shower of motherf@ckers. Thats a tiny list. No Beatport, Junodownload, DJdownload, what about international sites. Total balls lads. So glad I'm not with Eircom

blubloblu · 09-06-2010 10:59PM

franklyshocked wrote: »

Shower of motherf@ckers. Thats a tiny list. No Beatport, Junodownload, DJdownload, what about international sites. Total balls lads. So glad I'm not with Eircom

It's not exhaustive :P

kmurr04 · 09-06-2010 11:10PM

At least youtube is on it

think i would crack up otherwise!

Firefox11 · 10-06-2010 12:16AM

Good god! So eircom are telling IT'S CUSTOMERS what they can and cannot look and listen to on the internet!!:eek: It beggars belief!!

Mark200 · 10-06-2010 12:27AM

franklyshocked wrote: »

Shower of motherf@ckers. Thats a tiny list. No Beatport, Junodownload, DJdownload, what about international sites. Total balls lads. So glad I'm not with Eircom

As it says:

"The following is a list of recommended legitimate music sites"

Firefox11 wrote: »

Good god! So eircom are telling IT'S CUSTOMERS what they can and cannot look and listen to on the internet!!:eek: It beggars belief!!

No, they're not.

I had forgotten about this thread, but I got a nice warm feeling when I saw it again and realised that the amount of misinformation in it hasn't faded.

Amhran Nua · 10-06-2010 02:14AM

Peanut wrote: »

Thanks for that, here's the link -

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/article7140356.ece

Some choice lines in there.

Eh in the news again, great stuff. Here are ten reasons why this criminal move from Eircom won't help the recording industry.

Mark200 wrote: »

I had forgotten about this thread, but I got a nice warm feeling when I saw it again and realised that the amount of misinformation in it hasn't faded.

Due in no small part to your own workmanlike, and happily failed, efforts to muddy the waters.

In case you needed any more reasons to drop Eircom, they've jacked up their connection prices.

EIRCOM CUSTOMERS will see their phone bills rise by an average of 3 per cent from July when a new pricing structure is implemented.

In a move sharply criticised by lobby groups yesterday, Eircom announced that from July 1st calls that exceed the terms of a customers phone package or bundle will be rounded up to the next minute.

Currently “out of bundle” call time is billed on a per-second basis.
“The industry is moving in that direction . . . in terms of charging,” a spokesman for the telecommunications provider said.

On average, bills will rise by about 3 per cent as a result of the change.
The National Consumer Agency said that it was disappointing to see Eircom moving away from per second pricing and back to the “old style” per minute pricing “where the customer is paying for time on the phone that they’re not using”.

Dermott Jewell, chief executive of the Consumer Association, said the price hike was poorly thought-out and represented a backwards step.
“I’m amazed that they would even have considered an increase at this time,” he said.

“This is going to bring a lot of money into the coffers, not of the consumer, but of the provider,” he said.

“For many years the goal was to get to a point where we were progressive and charging per second as it made good, logical sense,” he said.

Eircom may have “shot themselves in the foot” with this price increase, Mr Jewell predicted, as it could trigger consumers to switch to another provider.

mooneyd · 16-12-2010 08:20PM

I know its is an old thread but does this effect file sharing and torrent downloads such as downloading Software.

Iv been looking this up and I can only see details regarding music sharing not video or software

Gator · 16-12-2010 08:24PM

Idiots...yet another reason to stay well away.....

yoyo · 16-12-2010 08:28PM

mooneyd wrote: »

I know its is an old thread but does this effect file sharing and torrent downloads such as downloading Software.

Iv been looking this up and I can only see details regarding music sharing not video or software

Music only, as thats all the IRMA are interested in,

Nick

Krieg · 16-12-2010 08:56PM

I had an eircom rep at the door recently and asked him about this. He claimed it only applied to one site (which im not sure i can name here) and that eircom had already blocked access to this website, so the 3 strikes dont really apply.

I dont know anyone who has gotten a warning letter from eircom for file sharing

mooneyd · 16-12-2010 09:12PM

I recieved one last week and do not have a P2P programme :S

yoyo · 16-12-2010 09:21PM

Krieg wrote: »

I had an eircom rep at the door recently and asked him about this. He claimed it only applied to one site (which im not sure i can name here) and that eircom had already blocked access to this website, so the 3 strikes dont really apply.

I dont know anyone who has gotten a warning letter from eircom for file sharing

Eircom blocking the pirate bay is one thing, they are also sending letters to people if IRMA & co want a customer warned, there are companies out there monitoring all P2P networks on behalf of IRMA and its members, torrents, Gnutella (Limewire, frostwire etc..), E Donkey etc... They get a IP address, find out if its a Eircom one, if it is tell Eircom to warn customer and you get an official warning posted, and they are doing this a relative got one,

Nick

yoyo · 16-12-2010 09:28PM

mooneyd wrote: »

I recieved one last week and do not have a P2P programme :S

Eircom gave out routers with such great "security" there are tools out there that can decrypt the default key! If you are sure no one in your house downloaded anything you should look into changing your modems security settings, to WPA for best security, look here: http://home.eircom.net/html/support.html for info how to do this, any wireless device you have you will need to change the code to the new one after

Nick

yoyo · 16-12-2010 09:36PM

Titan Ashy Pilgrim wrote: »

It would cost them about what 8 euro a day per customer to monitor everything they do etc. Not feasible. I would rather send smoke singnals than use eircom for internet or phone.

Eircom don't monitor anything, companies like dtecnet do on behalf of IRMA and the labels, they have software solutions to do the monitoring and automatically logging the details of the download, such as IP, time, file name etc... hey give database of downloads to IRMA>IRMA pays them, IRMA sends list of IPs to eircom, eircom sends out letters...

Nick

bnt · 16-12-2010 09:49PM

Eircom are doomed. €3 billion in debt, and they have been downgraded again which means they can forget about borrowing any more. Moody's rating of "Caa" means they are in “poor standing and subject to very high credit risk” - and this from a ratings agency that rated sub-prime mortgages as "AAA". :rolleyes:

Splender1 · 28-12-2010 07:06PM

i got a warning letter today from eircom stating that the IRMA monitored me downloading a music album 2 weeks ago.
I just have one question, i usually download movies more than music so would it be wish to stop downloading entirely because now my account is now being monitored or is it really only the music that they're concerned about ?
What would you do ?

yoyo · 28-12-2010 07:09PM

Splender1 wrote: »

i got a warning letter today from eircom stating that the IRMA monitored me downloading a music album 2 weeks ago.
I just have one question, i usually download movies more than music so would it be wish to stop downloading entirely because now my account is now being monitored or is it really only the music that they're concerned about ?
What would you do ?

IRMA=Music only so probably couldnt care less about movies. But my advice, stop using peer 2 peer sharing

Nick

Naikon · 28-12-2010 07:11PM

Splender1 wrote: »

i got a warning letter today from eircom stating that the IRMA monitored me downloading a music album 2 weeks ago.
I just have one question, i usually download movies more than music so would it be wish to stop downloading entirely because now my account is now being monitored or is it really only the music that they're concerned about ?
What would you do ?

Copyright infringement is exactly that, regardless of the product. Basically, if you infringe on someone elses "intellectual property", even if it is a poem that consists of one original line, you may owe monies to the author provided you make a copy and publish it. I bet they would probably cut you off if you were downloading Linux iso's. All eircom seem to care about is the mere fact you use p2p, not what you download. Assume your customers are thieving bastards if they even open a p2p connection seems to be their motto.

The good news, is that copyright infringement is always a civil matter UNLESS you profit from the deed. Of course, there are no absolutes.

crótach · 28-12-2010 07:23PM

Splender1 wrote: »

i got a warning letter today from eircom stating that the IRMA monitored me downloading a music album 2 weeks ago.
I just have one question, i usually download movies more than music so would it be wish to stop downloading entirely because now my account is now being monitored or is it really only the music that they're concerned about ?
What would you do ?

i'd use peerblock or something similar before doing anything so silly, but then again it's up to you.

what i really would be interested in, is what kind of proof they have. ask them for exactly what did you download, when, and where from.

i know a person who got a threatening letter from their isp for downloading stuff, even though nobody in the house uses p2p. solicitors now got involved, but it's in germany so it's a whole different kettle of fish.

good luck whatever you do.

Eircom enacts three strikes rule

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