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Kaval Released from WWE

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  • #32
    Machismo Fan
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,943 ✭✭✭Machismo Fan


    glenjamin wrote: »
    Kaval is sent packing while guys like Darren Young, Primo, Tatsu, Ryder, Jackson, JTG, (better not mention Masters) and Reks are still employed!

    This is what always puzzled me. They've done absolutely nothing with Primo since he dropped the tag titles which was like 18 months ago yet they just keep him around. Yet they tell Kaval they have nothing for him when depth on Smackdown is at a near all time low.


  • #33
    Handsome Bob
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    It's ironic really, this is what we expected to happen to Danielson but when they treated him well, we assumed they'd treat Kaval well too.


  • #34
    Gerard.C
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,284 ✭✭✭Gerard.C


    LZ5by5 wrote: »
    It's ironic really, this is what we expected to happen to Danielson but when they treated him well, we assumed they'd treat Kaval well too.

    HBK didnt train Kaval though, I'd say thats the difference unfortunatley


  • #35
    Handsome Bob
    Closed Accounts Posts: 22,905 ✭✭✭✭Handsome Bob


    Gerard.C wrote: »
    HBK didnt train Kaval though, I'd say thats the difference unfortunatley

    Aye, all the same though, if they hadn't any plans for him then he shouldn't have won nxt, I mean you'd like to think that they had some rough plan.


  • #36
    Gerard.C
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,284 ✭✭✭Gerard.C


    LZ5by5 wrote: »
    Aye, all the same though, if they hadn't any plans for him then he shouldn't have won nxt, I mean you'd like to think that they had some rough plan.

    I know ya, all that talk of him fueding with Rey and he just ends up gettin fired. You'd wonder what they're thinking sometimes


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  • #37
    grames_bond
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,820 ✭✭✭grames_bond


    Gerard.C wrote: »
    HBK didnt train Kaval though, I'd say thats the difference unfortunatley

    He didn't train danielson either, William regal did the training on danielson, Shaun Michaels just picked up the $3,000 cheque! ;)


  • #38
    Gerard.C
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,284 ✭✭✭Gerard.C


    grames_bond wrote: »
    He didn't train danielson either, William regal did the training on danielson, Shaun Michaels just picked up the $3,000 cheque! ;)

    I'm sure tis enough for Vince though


  • #39
    DM_7
    Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 18,716 Mod ✭✭✭✭DM_7


    Happy ****ing Christmas eh?

    Terrible news, Kaval had great potential.


  • #40
    Handsome Bob
    Closed Accounts Posts: 22,905 ✭✭✭✭Handsome Bob


    - Below are some reactions from people following Kaval's WWE release:

    John Cena: "CeNation. Behind as always. I guess wwe has released kaval. I have no clue why but this close to holiday would probally mean....... That it is pretty serious business."

    Jim Ross: "Kaval's release from WWE surprised me. Don't know the circumstances. Kaval won't have any issues finding work. I wish him my best."

    Jeremy Borash: "Very grateful to be working for a company that gives out bonus checks at Christmas instead of walking papers."

    Shelton Benjamin: "I guess my question is would you rather see him as a jobber for Wwe or the Indy phenom that he had been"

    Shane Helms: "U gotta be f***ing kidding!!!"

    http://www.pwpix.net/pwpixnews/headlines/295153412.php


  • #41
    rossie1977
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,443 ✭✭✭✭rossie1977


    new reports suggest Kaval requested his WWE release. According to a source close to the wrestler he was "miserable" and did not enjoy the WWE schedule. Officials tried to talk Kaval out of walking but eventually allowed him to walk. Kaval joins MVP and Matt Hardy in asking for a release

    source: wrestlingnewssource.com


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  • #42
    CMpunked
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,600 ✭✭✭✭CMpunked


    rossie1977 wrote: »
    source: wrestlingnewssource.com

    If thats true, then it makes wwe look terrible as a employer. Has there ever been 3 high profile requests to leave before in a year?


  • #43
    rossie1977
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,443 ✭✭✭✭rossie1977


    above report has been confirmed by meltzer


  • #44
    dlofnep
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    He wasn't being used right. I can see why he'd want to walk.


  • #45
    Diabhal Beag
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    First of all let's not pretend that this guy was going to ever be big as in a draw. I think the success of indy guys like Punk and Danielson really tricked the fans into thinking a new era of promoting great workers was here.

    No it isn't. The difference is Punk is a great promo and Bryan is possibly the best wrestler in the world. I liked Low Ki but he was never going to be booked in a way that all us fans wanted. WWE wanted him to get as over as Bryan was on NXT. He was never going to reach those levels. He's a good wrestler but not up there with the best. His promos are your average WWE guy who sucks on the mic.

    He is also proceeded by a reputation as a massive mark for himself. He is. He kinda proved it by walking out when they had no ideas for him. They never had ideas for him and yet he won NXT. This is a guy who would have benefited from MVP leaving on the mid-card scene. I think waiting till at least Mania (let's face it, he isn't exactly red-hot now anyway) would have reaped some rewards.

    To me TNA won't make him over if they sign him. He might comeback as Senshi but the X-Division is dead anyway. He won't fit into what they want in a big built guy dominated company.

    He is the new Homicide IMO. A guy who was great on the indies but when he makes his return he is only going to disappoint.


  • #46
    gimmick
    Closed Accounts Posts: 21,296 ✭✭✭✭gimmick


    Cut this from the main Future Endeavoured thread as it has garnered quite a decent bit of conversation.


  • #47
    JP Liz V1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 91,314 ✭✭✭✭JP Liz V1


    Mr.Nice Guy wrote: »
    That's a shame as he was different to the usual new guys in the WWE. It wasn't all bad as he at least got to lock lips with Layla.

    What happened to LayCool fighting over him - did that ever happen :confused:

    It's a shame he is gone - the Nxt 2 winner gone already :rolleyes: yet crap wrestlers still around
    https://forumofgames.com/




  • #48
    Nody
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    JP Liz V1 wrote: »
    It's a shame he is gone - the Nxt 2 winner gone already :rolleyes: yet crap wrestlers still around
    Well chances are those guys did not ask to get released...


  • #49
    dlofnep
    Closed Accounts Posts: 20,759 ✭✭✭✭dlofnep


    Nody wrote: »
    Well chances are those guys did not ask to get released...

    Well, what do you expect when they book him to lose every single match he's in?


  • #50
    Gerard.C
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,284 ✭✭✭Gerard.C


    dlofnep wrote: »
    Well, what do you expect when they book him to lose every single match he's in?

    To suck it up. He's been there for a few weeks really, so what if hes loseing. Look at all the matches Chris Jericho lost over the years like. If he asked for his release because he was loseing a few matches he doesnt deserve to be there in the first place


  • #51
    parker kent
    Closed Accounts Posts: 8,289 ✭✭✭parker kent


    Gerard.C wrote: »
    To suck it up. He's been there for a few weeks really, so what if hes loseing. Look at all the matches Chris Jericho lost over the years like. If he asked for his release because he was loseing a few matches he doesnt deserve to be there in the first place

    Was only a matter of time before he was relegated to the B programmes before his eventual release. He just sped things up a bit.


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  • #52
    dlofnep
    Closed Accounts Posts: 20,759 ✭✭✭✭dlofnep


    Gerard.C wrote: »
    To suck it up.

    Oh come off it - How does he expect to catch a break, when they book him to lose his debut match. How exactly does he build on that? It's ok to lose matches on NXT - but to lose every week on Smackdown doesn't exactly put you in a position to do anything.

    He knew his career probably wasn't going anywhere with WWE, and the schedule was probably just a cop out so he could leave.


  • #53
    rossie1977
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,443 ✭✭✭✭rossie1977


    dlofnep wrote: »
    Well, what do you expect when they book him to lose every single match he's in?

    alex riley has lost every match he has been in on raw, has hennig jr and rotunda jr even been in a match :confused: the other 4 guys from season 2 (cottonwood, cannon, watson and "make it a win" never even made it to tv)

    on the topic of losing debut matches cena lost his debut, orton won one match on sd from april to september 2002 and that was his debut


  • #54
    dlofnep
    Closed Accounts Posts: 20,759 ✭✭✭✭dlofnep


    rossie1977 wrote: »
    alex riley has lost every match he has been in on raw, has hennig jr and rotunda jr even been in a match :confused: the other 4 guys from season 2 (cottonwood, cannon, watson and "make it a win" never even made it to tv)

    Alex Riley has the benefit of being the sidekick of the world champion, so although he's losing matches - he's losing to the likes of Randy Orton, and is getting ample camera time with being with The Miz. Wrestlers who take that role, are expected to lose - but remain relevant because of the camera-time they get.

    Hennig and Rotunda are part of a stable, so they get alot of camera time. As for the rest of the guys not making it to TV - None of them won NXT. Kaval did. That's the difference. Who wants Lucky Cannon and Cottonwood on TV anyways? Nobody. But they do want Kaval on.

    Moreover - Kaval won NXT, so you'd expect him to at least get a few wins - opposed to losing his debut match. How the hell are you supposed to build a career on that?
    rossie1977 wrote: »
    on the topic of losing debut matches cena lost his debut, orton won one match on sd from april to september 2002 and that was his debut

    Cena lost his debut against Kurt Angle, and wasn't expected to win. It was an extremely competitive match, and was made to boost Cena. He certainly didn't go on to lose every single match after that. Kaval's string of losses didn't make any sense whatsoever after he won NXT. They could have capitalized on it by throwing him a few wins against the likes of Chavo, building up his profile a little bit. But instead, they had him lose week after week.

    WWE booking can make or break almost any wrestler.


  • #55
    flahavaj
    Closed Accounts Posts: 21,235 ✭✭✭✭flahavaj


    dlofnep wrote: »
    Oh come off it - How does he expect to catch a break, when they book him to lose his debut match. How exactly does he build on that? It's ok to lose matches on NXT - but to lose every week on Smackdown doesn't exactly put you in a position to do anything.

    He knew his career probably wasn't going anywhere with WWE, and the schedule was probably just a cop out so he could leave.

    Whats wrong with being a jobber in WWE anyway? Its still a decent career.

    He quit over the schedule, you're just looking for a conspiracy so you can bitch about WWE. Maybe the fact that you have to make a major assumption in your desire to have a moan about "The E" would indicate that in this case its the wrestler himself and not the big bad WWE thats to blame.


  • #56
    rossie1977
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,443 ✭✭✭✭rossie1977


    while i agree they could have given him a few more wins but you have to take into account he didn't debut on sd till sept 10th so he was there just over 2 months and had already appeared in one of the biggest ppvs of the year and he did beat the intercontinental champion on tv as well, there is also talk that michael hayes will be removed as headwriter of sd in the new year so again why not stick around and see what a new booker will do with you

    btw i would rather see cottonwood on tv than kane or mark henry :p


  • #57
    dlofnep
    Closed Accounts Posts: 20,759 ✭✭✭✭dlofnep


    flahavaj wrote: »
    Whats wrong with being a jobber in WWE anyway? Its still a decent career.

    I'm sure pro-wrestlers aspire for a little more than jobber status. Especially when they have been wrestling for over a decade, and have international experience.
    flahavaj wrote: »
    He quit over the schedule, you're just looking for a conspiracy so you can bitch about WWE.

    I'm not looking for any conspiracy, nor am I looking for an excuse to "bitch" about the WWE. I'm calling it like I see it. If you don't like it, tough. Don't read my posts. I have no doubt that the schedule was one of many reasons that made him quit - but being demoted to jobber status certainly didn't help.


  • #58
    flahavaj
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    dlofnep wrote: »
    I'm sure pro-wrestlers aspire for a little more than jobber status. Especially when they have been wrestling for over a decade, and have international experience.

    Why would he not say that then and hide behind an excuse about the schedule? One thing Low Ki has never been afraid to do is speak his mind.
    I'm not looking for any conspiracy, nor am I looking for an excuse to "bitch" about the WWE. I'm calling it like I see it. If you don't like it, tough. Don't read my posts. I have no doubt that the schedule was one of many reasons that made him quit - but being demoted to jobber status certainly didn't help.

    Even if he was demoted to jobber status, he should have sucked it up and got on with it. There's nothing wrong with paying your dues. He's not that good that a cruiserweight like should expect to come into the company and expect to be booked strongly from the start. Guys like Danielson, whos been booked very well are very much the exception rather than the rule.

    Also grow up with the "don't read my posts" stuff. Discussion forum and all that.


  • #59
    dlofnep
    Closed Accounts Posts: 20,759 ✭✭✭✭dlofnep


    flahavaj wrote: »
    Why would he not say that then and hide behind an excuse about the schedule? One thing Low Ki has never been afraid to do is speak his mind.

    Maybe he didn't want to burn bridges?
    flahavaj wrote: »
    Even if he was demoted to jobber status, he should have sucked it up and got on with it.

    It is your opinion that he should have. That is not the only option for underused wrestlers. But since you're content with any wrestler being demoted to jobber, then idealistically - you'd have no problem with Danielson jobbing for the next 12 months, right?
    flahavaj wrote: »
    There's nothing wrong with paying your dues.

    Wrestling for 12 years, working on an international level, and winning NXT is enough for him to at least be booked to win a few matches.
    flahavaj wrote: »
    He's not that good that a cruiserweight like should expect to come into the company and expect to be booked strongly from the start.

    He was one of the best wrestlers in the entire company. Nobody is saying to give him a world title. Just that he didn't deserve to be demoted to jobber, straight after the public voted for him to win NXT.
    flahavaj wrote: »
    Also grow up with the "don't read my posts" stuff. Discussion forum and all that.

    The hypocrisy of this post. If it's a discussion forum, then you would have allowed me to voice my opinion without accusing me of looking for reasons to bitch about the WWE (Despite the fact that I don't exactly have a record of criticising them).


  • #60
    Jazzy
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 6,315 ✭✭✭Jazzy


    if he didnt enjoy it, he didnt enjoy it. he is damn talented for sure but wrestling talent only you gets you so far in the biz. horrible but true. Id much prefer he was happy and confident then winding up on the scrapheap like Nic Dinsmore etc.


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  • #61
    Gerard.C
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,284 ✭✭✭Gerard.C


    dlofnep wrote: »
    Oh come off it - How does he expect to catch a break, when they book him to lose his debut match. How exactly does he build on that? It's ok to lose matches on NXT - but to lose every week on Smackdown doesn't exactly put you in a position to do anything.

    He knew his career probably wasn't going anywhere with WWE, and the schedule was probably just a cop out so he could leave.

    He could wait till they have something for him? Im sure Vince and co would be impressed with him if he stuck with it and showed loyalty. Instead he showed his true colours, and back to his $500 bookings to wrestle in gyms instead of on national tv with him as a result. Lose or not its still better to be a consistant wrestler on smackdown. Shur wasnt he wrestling for the IC title there a few weeks ago on PPV?

    Saying he knew his career wasnt going anywhere in wwe after a few weeks, it would be one thing if he was there with years like Matt Hardy or something. Who is Low Ki to suggest he knows better that WWE like


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