misogynism in hip-hop

prinz · 21-12-2010 01:22PM

I said a hip hop the hippie the hippie
to the hip hip hop, a you dont stop
the rock it to the bang bang boogie say up jumped the boogie
to the rhythm of the boogie, the beat.

Say if your girl starts actin up, then you take her friend... fo'shizzle.

SprostonGreen · 21-12-2010 01:25PM

Bitches, hoes, ****. But its the white man's fault.:rolleyes:

Ruu_Old · 21-12-2010 01:26PM

Pew, pew, pew, ya dead. Word out! :mad:

All rap music is rubbish!

iamstop · 21-12-2010 01:57PM

To the OP,

Calling Lil John 'Hip Hop' was your first mistake. This belittles all the true Hip Hop artists from Kool Herc, Big Daddy Kane and KRS One to Roots Manuva, MF Doom and Mos Def.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YeypPlV6gy0

Guill · 21-12-2010 02:07PM

Pimps be keepin bitches in work. Bitches gotta eat OP.

PK2008 · 21-12-2010 02:45PM

fulhamfanincork · 21-12-2010 02:51PM

Ruu wrote: »

All rap music is rubbish!

What makes you say that?

prinz · 21-12-2010 02:55PM

fulhamfanincork wrote: »

What makes you say that?

Your taste is already compromised fulham fan.... professing a liking for rap would confirm it's absence. :pac:

fulhamfanincork · 21-12-2010 02:57PM

prinz wrote: »

Your taste is already compromised fulham fan.... professing a liking for rap would confirm it's absence. :pac:

No, I would agree that the vast majority of rappers and their music are rubbish but I think Eminem and Dan Le Sac vs Scroobius Pip are worthy exemptions from the generalisation.

Dave! · 21-12-2010 02:58PM

9000th post, prinz. How do you feel?

prinz · 21-12-2010 03:00PM

Dave! wrote: »

9000th post, prinz. How do you feel?

Like I have wasted a significant amount of my life.

I knew it was coming up but I didn't realise I used it on that

What a shame.

fulhamfanincork · 21-12-2010 03:02PM

prinz wrote: »

Like I have wasted a significant amount of my life.

I knew it was coming up but I didn't realise I used it on that What a shame.

I'm truly offended.

Coriolanus · 21-12-2010 03:02PM

I'd be more concerned with all the nigga this and nigga that.
If they can say it then I want to too.

Dave! · 21-12-2010 03:04PM

prinz wrote: »

Like I have wasted a significant amount of my life.

I knew it was coming up but I didn't realise I used it on that What a shame.

Don't worry mate, the big "10" is coming up, somethin to look forward to

smokedeels · 21-12-2010 03:40PM

profitius wrote: »

Rap and hip hop, music for idiots (with bad taste).

What's great about hip-hop is how heavily it borrows from the past, while at the same time remaining one of the most forward thinking genres of music, that fact that in one line of text you've dismissed a style of music that spans future, past and present, is shocking.

PK2008 · 21-12-2010 03:52PM

Without doubt the worst form of music Ive ever heard- barely qualifies as music tbh. Recycled music and hackneyed puerile lyrics

Ive put my hands in the air and tried to wave them like I just don't care but I do care dammit, I do

OutlawPete · 21-12-2010 03:56PM

Note the word "probably" .. poor fcuker

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GPLEzeAWZVw

Boom_Bap · 21-12-2010 03:58PM

Catagorising 'Hip-Hop' of what is heard in the charts is not quite accurate. It's a very broad form of music with broad subject matter that does not only revolve around hoes, bitchez, cars, bling and money.

Pace2008 · 21-12-2010 04:06PM

Boom_Bap wrote: »

Catagorising 'Hip-Hop' of what is heard in the charts is not quite accurate. It's a very broad form of music with broad subject matter that does not only revolve around hoes, bitchez, cars, bling and money.

Try explaining that to people who believe that any waveforms not emitted from a stringed instrument do not constitute music.

iamstop · 21-12-2010 04:09PM

profitius wrote: »

Rap and hip hop, music for idiots (with bad taste).

Ignorance.

Anyone who is of this mind set will never change, people who liked hip hop back in the day (92-99 ish) and thinks there is no longer any decent hip hop check out Ghostface - Apollo kids. Solid Album.

prinz · 21-12-2010 04:15PM

Boom_Bap wrote: »

It's a very broad form of music with broad subject matter that does not only revolve around hoes, bitchez, cars, bling and money.

True. Sometimes it revolves around drugs and killing too. :pac: I like me a bit of the hippity-hop, and am suspicious of anyone who can write-off an entire genre as crap tbh.

Pace2008 wrote: »

Try explaining that to people who believe that any waveforms not emitted from a stringed instrument do not constitute music.

What? :eek: No Vangelis synths?

sensibleken · 21-12-2010 04:19PM

I dunno. The same people who give out about hip hop being all sexism, bling and gansters are the same who would complain about punk being just a bunch of pissed kids.

Da Shins Kelly · 21-12-2010 06:37PM

profitius wrote: »

Rap and hip hop, music for idiots (with bad taste).

That is a very broad statement. Some rap music is the best music out there. Nas, Lauryn Hill, Mos Def, Immortal Technique, Wu Tang Clan, etc. are all fantastic lyricists, some of the best. To dismiss an entire genre when you clearly know nothing about it is just professing your ignorance. Also, saying that everyone who likes a certain kind of music that you don't like are "idiots" with "bad taste" just makes you look like a moron.

To be honest, I think the reason some people write it off without bothering to get to know it is because the either don't like "mainstream" music (even though the best rap music is not mainstream) or they're just rock music elitits who don't like anyone who doesn't deal in guitars. Either way, they're both ridiculous reasons to completely dismiss an entire genre of music without knowing anything about it.

Johro · 21-12-2010 07:32PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dE6Qcc6VDo8

Gotta say I like 'The Miseducation of Lauryn Hill'. Great voice, the album's full of great lyrics, cool music.
As for rap, most chart rap leaves me cold, most of it is macho posturing, there's great rap around though but you don't really get to hear it much.
It's not my thing. Rock and alternative is my thing.
Country music, and especially Irish country offends me more than sh!t rap.

Nodin · 21-12-2010 07:41PM

CorkMan wrote: »

"Hey b**ch, sign your name on the dotted line, cos you belong to me,
Hey b**ch, sign your name on the dotted line, cos know you're mine."

is the chorus and a "Prostitution is the only solution" is a logo at the start of the video. I think it is wrong what these rappers are doing, and this video is very recent.

They are degrading women to an great extent, yet their record companies are giving them more and more money for videos.

EDIT: For some reason the youtube embed isn't working, type in "Lil Jon, Contract" into the youtube engine" and you should see a big man with a blue top on, click on that pic.

The sooner they let you back on the radio, the better.

Johro · 21-12-2010 07:49PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bU1NDqZNQHQ

Star Bingo · 21-12-2010 10:01PM

n if one were to hop in a hip manner, what would that look like..

is predominantly for children to help em find their feet and bolster confidence. babywear and bigging up; fronting about first name greatest / last name ever, climbing to the top of 'da game' (capitalist music industry.. lol) basically playing into bigwigs hands for a relatively small cut, they duly keep the cogs turning without the ability to even sing with the ****ing mouth they were born with let alone any actual hands-on musicality. would require one serious sedative to keep with the pace. sure you'd have to be on drugs to enjoy it anyhow; like rave

was a news feature about hip hop being akin to shakespeare recently. some shameless ****wit's claim; not theirs. bless.. its cos theyre so good wiv wordz innit

scientific1982 · 21-12-2010 10:10PM

Star Bingo wrote: »

n if one were to hop in a hip manner, what would that look like.. is predominantly for children to help em find their feet and bolster confidence. babywear and bigging up; fronting about first name greatest / last name ever, climbing to the top of 'da game' (capitalist music industry.. lol) basically playing into bigwigs hands for a relatively small cut, they duly keep the cogs turning without the ability to even sing with the ****ing mouth they were born with let alone any actual hands-on musicality. would require one serious sedative to keep with the pace. sure you'd have to be on drugs to enjoy it anyhow; like rave

was a news feature about hip hop being akin to shakespeare recently. some shameless ****wit's claim; not theirs. bless.. its cos theyre so good wiv wordz innit

Pure ignorance.

Star Bingo · 21-12-2010 10:11PM

funny these claims of misogyny, cos they're all bitches. all of em. the real women should just defect and revive soul / funk

ascanbe · 21-12-2010 10:31PM

Star Bingo wrote: »

n if one were to hop in a hip manner, what would that look like.. is predominantly for children to help em find their feet and bolster confidence. babywear and bigging up; fronting about first name greatest / last name ever, climbing to the top of 'da game' (capitalist music industry.. lol) basically playing into bigwigs hands for a relatively small cut, they duly keep the cogs turning without the ability to even sing with the ****ing mouth they were born with let alone any actual hands-on musicality. would require one serious sedative to keep with the pace. sure you'd have to be on drugs to enjoy it anyhow; like rave

was a news feature about hip hop being akin to shakespeare recently. some shameless ****wit's claim; not theirs. bless.. its cos theyre so good wiv wordz innit

Why couldn't or wouldn't a talent to rival Shakespeare emerge who now works predominantely in what is now called hip-hop/rap?
It's is simply a form and arm of self-expression like any other.
What you describe, to some degree, in your first paragraph is simply the kind of commodification/commercialisation that occurs across the spectrum of art/self-expression.
It doesn't reflect on or de-legitimise the form itself.

misogynism in hip-hop

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